They featured both of their tight ends the entire game. Those two te’s combined for 208 of the 320 yards passing. I don’t think an Iowa wr even had 30 yards receiving.
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Iowa has always featured their TEs strongly. We can't forget Dallas Clark and his 2 TD game against Purdue. But it isn't just him. Maybe it's because they've never really had top-notch WRs and they're attempting to change that.
I personally think Bell knows who he will commit to. Just think he is making sure of his decision in the next few weeks. Hope it's Purdue! Go Boilers
I think it’s down to Penn State and Purdue but I’m going to say he picks the boilers.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg. Iowa teaches their WRs to run block. That’s why they don’t throw to them.
Stanley threw TDs to 5 different players
Regardless who he threw to, They are slinging the ball. If anything comes it shows they'll go down field, TE's will demand over the top help, and immediate playing time at WR
i'm not at all disagreeing with you, but any program worth their salt d@mn sure better be teaching their WRs how to run-block. Much of the college FB game is out on the edge.
The fullback had more yards receiving than ANY wide receiver. The Iowa offense features the tight end and has for decades.
False we had 2 WRs with more than that. FB had 4 yards. Brandon Smith and Nick Easley both had multiple catches and drops each.
Iowa has 3 WRs in the top 40 yards in terms of receiving yards for the big ten.
And if you had 2 TEs that are averaging 25 ypc you go them .both had 50+ yard receptions Saturday running WR routes
IF the Boilers are able to land Bell, we could then enjoy:
MOORE (cow) BELL
Ah, the possibilities
BTFU!
MOORE (cow) BELL
Ah, the possibilities
BTFU!
If you compare Purdue's WR's to Iowa's WR's, it's not even close. Purdue has really good TE's too. They just spread the ball around more than Iowa does.
Stanley has attempted 174 passes
Blough has attempted 184 passes
However, because Blough was not the starter for the first two games of the season, his passing attempts are a bit skewed. As a whole, Purdue averages 39 passes per game whereas Iowa averages just a shade under 30. If you gave Blough all of Sindelar's passes, he would have nearly 230 passing attempts.
Purdue throws the ball more than Iowa and completes them at almost a 10% better rate. Purdue also is averaging nearly 100 yards of total offense more per game than Iowa (510-411).
As long as Brohm is there, PU will be a pass first offense and that will include a bunch of shots down field, not a ball control passing offense. I think you'll also see PU have running backs with great receiving skills and get a lot of use catching the ball out of the backfield. Backs like that are a killer in the NFL and back breaker in college.
My gut says Bell comes to Purdue.
My gut says Bell comes to Purdue.
I wouldn't count out Iowa, he went to the Indiana game when they were playing Iowa and I believe he is coming to Purdue for the Iowa game. Tea leaves!
That would look really bad for Brohm to lose a priority WR from his own backyard to Iowa. A football program known for.....what? Certainly not grooming NFL WRs.
Moore has made more of name for himself in 6 games than ANY Iowa wide receiver in Ferentz's time there.
From Hawkeyenation.com - "Iowa is not a program known for producing all-world wide receivers. Its star pass catchers, mostly, are tight ends. Tony Moeaki. Dallas Clark. Scott Chandler. C.J. Fiedorowicz."
https://www.hawkeyenation.com/football/best-receivers-of-the-ferentz-era
That’s why if Robinson picks Purdue, it would be so unfair. He has elite WR hands. In fact, he is being recruited as a WR by a couple of schools. Having that kind of speed the same time as Moore would be so much fun to watch. Especially if Bell signed on as well.
And the reference will likely be lost on both young men so the first spot needs to be them watching the SNL skit
David Bell is an outside deep threat reciever. Rondale is a pitch him the ball and watch the show reciever. I dont know that they compete for time. If anything, Zico is proving to be a bigger threat to Bell next year
I'm talking about targeting rather than playing the same position. In Purdue's offense, who would be the most targeted receiver next year? Bell on the outside or Moore in the slot? Who would be the go to receiver on 3rd and 9? Or in goal line situations or 2 minute drills?
With that said, ask the same questions if Bell were to sign with Iowa? Would they change their offense to feature Bell's talents?
With that said, ask the same questions if Bell were to sign with Iowa? Would they change their offense to feature Bell's talents?
Ok, clarification, because of the Iowa offensive scheme and how they use their WRs, it would seem they spend 85% of their practice time run blocking, where Purdue would seem to spend 80% of their time catching passes.
You may be right. For some reason I thought he was a JC guy with three years. Well then he is showing what the Brohm offense can do with a deep guy who can catch
What is an appropriate number of targets per game for a marquee player? 10-15? If we have guys who can catch, Brohm will throw it 50 times. Although if Bell is making 40 yard catches he may not get 50 pass plays in...
David Bell is a very selfless young man whose goal is to win. Do your homework! He would block for Moore if he would score the TD that won a big game.
When you throw the ball 40 times a game like PU does, there's plenty of catches to be had. Any WR would be happy with 10+ targets a game. That's very reasonable with both Moore and Bell.
At Iowa, if he's their best WR by far, he's going to get the bulk of the attention from D on passing downs, making it that much harder to put up numbers.
I'm usually not one to jump into other boards, but with how big of a target Bell is to Iowa, I wanted to get a feel from others.
From an Iowa fan stand point, Purdues offense compliments him more, 100% will agree. But my case for Iowa is, and always will be, is they use what personnel they have available to them. Right now, they have the best TE duo in the country (sounds homerish, but it really is true), why not throw to them? But if you think Iowa doesnt throw to WRs, that's not true, they throw to them when they have talent there. Check Marvin McNutt in 2011, 82 catches 1315 yards and 12 TDS; if they have that one stud WR, they feed them...they just havent had a ton of talent there the last 7 years.
With all that said, Purdue seems to be in the drivers seat, my hope is that Iowa can show enough in season to him that he sees a place in the offense. Two other factors I wouldnt completely count out Iowa: 1. They have had quite the pipeline from Indiana, and Bell has a lot of friends on the roster 2. Iowa has last shot with him on his OV, about 2 weeks before he commits I believe.
From an Iowa fan stand point, Purdues offense compliments him more, 100% will agree. But my case for Iowa is, and always will be, is they use what personnel they have available to them. Right now, they have the best TE duo in the country (sounds homerish, but it really is true), why not throw to them? But if you think Iowa doesnt throw to WRs, that's not true, they throw to them when they have talent there. Check Marvin McNutt in 2011, 82 catches 1315 yards and 12 TDS; if they have that one stud WR, they feed them...they just havent had a ton of talent there the last 7 years.
With all that said, Purdue seems to be in the drivers seat, my hope is that Iowa can show enough in season to him that he sees a place in the offense. Two other factors I wouldnt completely count out Iowa: 1. They have had quite the pipeline from Indiana, and Bell has a lot of friends on the roster 2. Iowa has last shot with him on his OV, about 2 weeks before he commits I believe.
Different positions. Moore gets his touches in different ways and Brohm has repeatedly said he needs to stretch the field to have his offense work best. Bell would likely get 8-10 opportunities per game on the outside and seeing Moore being used in multiple ways to get the ball in the hands of play makers has to be appealing for Bell. I'm not sure I see Ferentz scheming in that way as he has and always will be a coach that uses the run game to setup the passing game. Brohm said this week that he likes to use the passing game to set up the run game...and stretching the field to push the DB's and safeties downfield to open up the second level for big runs.
I don't disagree with you but if you look historically, Iowa has a much better track record with TE's and having to go back 7 years to find a time when a WR was featured probably hurts your case especially when you look at what Rondale Moore is doing this year. Bell is likely being sold on being a formidable 1/2 punch with Rondale as that duo would be unstoppable next year.
For sure, I was just making Iowas case. Trust me, coaches have been out of the recruiting trail the last 2 years stating they dont have production at WR because they havent had talent there. Their lack of talent shows right now with starting 1 Sophomore and 1 Senior, who came to Iowa as a walk on JUCO transfer. The last 2 classes brought in some talent, but not all have made a mark yet. 2 of them are starting to make progress this year: Brandon Smith, who is really only just coming into his own the last 3 weeks; and Ihmir Smith-Marsette, who is very hot and cold. Tyrone Tracy was expected to make a big impact (mainly by fans), but he hasnt seen the field except is mop up duty vs UNI. I'm sure they're giving Bell the same pitch, Iowa doesnt have the talent, but you will change that and start from day 1.
I'm not confident at all in Iowa landing him FYI, and am in the boat of assuming he will end up at Purdue...but Iowa staying in on a wr this talented for so long has me intrigued because it really doesnt happen often
I can totally see your point. Kind of like getting your first job, right out of college, with no, or little, prior experience.
I get the feeling that it will all get down to the Iowa at Purdue game, on 11/3, for David Bell. Like you, I'm grateful that Purdue is still in the running for this guy.
Purdue has 60 more passes for about 250 more yards. But what is most important are the big plays. Purdue is leading the Big in several categories about plays over 20,30,40,50 yards etc. That is with our Juco player that struggled to see the field last year stepping it up on the outside. If Bell picks Purdue he will have an immediate impact and likely put up numbers much more than any other school. I say that because they will have Moore taking away the safety help and Sindelar (if he struggles, Plummer and Sipe also have big arms).
Would Bell be good at Iowa? Of course. He has the talent to succeed anywhere. There is very little to deny that the system at Purdue would be the most beneficial. The proof is in the pudding. Iowa can argue that they don’t have big WR numbers because they don’t have elite WRs. Well Purdue’s outside WRs have been a former QB and two Juco players that struggled to see the field last year. Moore opens everything up and Purdue is a pass happy offense that likes the big play. Moore and Bell would be absolutely unstoppable together. Madden numbers.
Moore is fun to watch, I'm interested to see how the Iowa v Purdue game goes (not to change subject). For those outside looking in, Iowa hasn't been as "vanilla" as in years past on defense. Theyve had a ton of LB injuries which forced them to shift to more of a 4-2-5 with Amani Hooker, normally safety, moving into a hybrid position, and bringing another safety (Geno Stone) to assume his usual Safety duties. It has helped a ton, they shut down an ok Indiana passing offense, and the Minnesota game was more of a blow out than people saw (Goofers had 2 TD drives that were less than 10 yards
). I'm assuming Iowa will employ that vs the spread attack of Purdue.Back to the topic, iowas biggest issue since 2011 has been recruiting and development. 2011 was a big year too because after that season is when iowas staff went through a major overhaul (i think they hired about 6 new staff members) and they lost a very good WR coach. 2012-2016 was a black hole for Iowa WRs under the new coach, no development and a TON of transfers, so theyve had to start over from scratch since (which led to that coaches firing). The new coach hired in 2017 has shown promise, and Iowa WRs are actually developing under him, so fingers crossed.
Anyways, I had enough say haha so ill leave you guys be. Good luck the rest of the way!
Moore is fun to watch, I'm interested to see how the Iowa v Purdue game goes (not to change subject). For those outside looking in, Iowa hasn't been as "vanilla" as in years past on defense. Theyve had a ton of LB injuries which forced them to shift to more of a 4-2-5 with Amani Hooker, normally safety, moving into a hybrid position, and bringing another safety (Geno Stone) to assume his usual Safety duties. It has helped a ton, they shut down an ok Indiana passing offense, and the Minnesota game was more of a blow out than people saw (Goofers had 2 TD drives that were less than 10 yards
Back to the topic, iowas biggest issue since 2011 has been recruiting and development. 2011 was a big year too because after that season is when iowas staff went through a major overhaul (i think they hired about 6 new staff members) and they lost a very good WR coach. 2012-2016 was a black hole for Iowa WRs under the new coach, no development and a TON of transfers, so theyve had to start over from scratch since (which led to that coaches firing). The new coach hired in 2017 has shown promise, and Iowa WRs are actually developing under him, so fingers crossed.
Anyways, I had enough say haha so ill leave you guys be. Good luck the rest of the way!
We know all about black holes and no getting or developing talent from 2012 - 2016.
That said, it isn’t necessarily a knock on Iowa for not having the same success passing or with big plays to the WRs. Not many in the country are better than Brohm and his staff. Bell will have the best numbers at Purdue it just is what it is. And with the incoming defensive class... Purdue should be a real threat to win the division. Plus he gets to stay local and be a hometown hero (and hopefully close off that pesky Iowa pipeline into Indianapolis).
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