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Darn, Archie landed another one..

I was never outspoken for Phinisee. I always preferred a player like Embery/Hunter/Ahrens. I really liked Anderson until I started reading reports about his defense. Jerome Hunter is a stud. I would be very happy to have him. I don't know enough about the new guy, but he seems like a defense first guy. Baby boilers had 4 top 75 players iirc. Was a much better clsss than IU has.

I love Williams. The kid reminds me so much of Biggie. Wide bodied and he can do it all.
Williams, Hunter, and Castleton would be a better class for Purdue. I 100% stand by that.
Not only does Williams want to rebound but he appears to be a bit more athletic than Biggie at this age. I wouldn't say he is athletic as much as skilled though. I'm most impressed with his passing for a big guy as he seems to be able to start a break a bit aand has good vision and passes well off the dribble. As he transistions out to a 4 I hope someone works on his step a bit to help him gain an advantage. It appears that many of his fakes with a step are sideways instead of 45 degrees or over AND back together to actually get an advantage. That first step and shoulder getting past a defender are crucial and somewhat expected for someone his size and age to need work. He seems to have pretty long arms...



he does seem a bit heavier here and it was in July and yet the recent picture with Hunter shows him to appear as pretty fit? If he works 90% of what Biggie did, he will be very good. Rebounding is a lot of attitude and since he does that well...it won't surprise me to see him stick to a diet and tone his body like Biggie as well.

 
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Not only does Williams want to rebound but he appears to be a bit more athletic than Biggie at this age. I wouldn't say he is athletic as much as skilled though. I'm most impressed with his passing for a big guy as he seems to be able to start a break a bit aand has good vision and passes well off the dribble. As he transistions out to a 4 I hope someone works on his step a bit to help him gain an advantage. It appears that many of his fakes with a step are sideways instead of 45 degrees or over AND back together to actually get an advantage. That first step and shoulder getting past a defender are crucial and somewhat expected for someone his size and age. He seems to have pretty long arms...



he does seem a bit heavier here and it was in July and yet the recent picture with Hunter shows him to appear as pretty fit? If he works 90% of what Biggie did, he will be very good. Rebounding is a lot of attitude and since he does that well...it won't surprise me to see him stick to a diet and tone his body like Biggie as well.


I think it is fools gold to assume that any player with a Swanigan-like build will be anywhere near that good. It's not that you flat out said he would be; just seems to be a lot of folks comparing them and not noting how unusual Swanign was.

Swanigan was a top 20 player nationally out of high school for tangible reasons. Other players the same size might turn out to be excellent, but are very unlikely to be "born-ready" for a major college role. Usually top 50-ish players are of real first year value.

It's a disservice to Williams to expect him to be an instant impact guy, and it's a disservice to expect him to ever be nearly as good as Swanigan. It's not impossible, but is highly unlikely.
 
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IU has six spots after this season: Johnson, Newkirk, Priller, McSwain, Hartman, and an open spot.

In line for a serious talent upgrade, especially if Langford and Garland jump in.

I know that I have said before that it is a given that both IU and Purdue can thrive at the same time; I am very confident that the Hoosiers will be up to that task and will be excellent, and soon. Also fairly confident that the three highest composite rated '18 kids from the state will all be at IU.

Archie's Movement!
 
I think it is fools gold to assume that any player with a Swanigan-like build will be anywhere near that good. It's not that you flat out said he would be; just seems to be a lot of folks comparing them and not noting how unusual Swanign was.

Swanigan was a top 20 player nationally out of high school for tangible reasons. Other players the same size might turn out to be excellent, but are very unlikely to be "born-ready" for a major college role. Usually top 50-ish players are of real first year value.

It's a disservice to Williams to expect him to be an instant impact guy, and it's a disservice to expect him to ever be nearly as good as Swanigan. It's not impossible, but is highly unlikely.

I think the main thing is not that the fans see him that way, but Williams sees himself that way. If he comes in to Purdue with a chip on his shoulder and works his but off like Caleb did, he could be really really good. He seems to have great skills so far.
 
I think it is fools gold to assume that any player with a Swanigan-like build will be anywhere near that good. It's not that you flat out said he would be; just seems to be a lot of folks comparing them and not noting how unusual Swanign was.

Swanigan was a top 20 player nationally out of high school for tangible reasons. Other players the same size might turn out to be excellent, but are very unlikely to be "born-ready" for a major college role. Usually top 50-ish players are of real first year value.

It's a disservice to Williams to expect him to be an instant impact guy, and it's a disservice to expect him to ever be nearly as good as Swanigan. It's not impossible, but is highly unlikely.

I think if you read again what I wrote you will find, "Not only does Williams want to rebound but he appears to be a bit more athletic than Biggie at this age." No where does that say he will be as good. Next, I said..."If he works 90% of what Biggie did, he will be very good. " Being good and as good as Biggie are not the same, but that is up to him how good he becomes.

I do not understand how what I actually said and what you think I said to be similar in nature. Either I am confused or you are. Now, there are no expectations put on Williams by me (rad again what I wrote) and so it is illogical to think that somehow I could disservice Williams by placing expectations on him by someone like me incapable of placing those expectations as well as actually reading what I wrote if I had been in a real position to place expectations on him.

In summary, I said Williams could be very good if he works at it 90% of what Biggie did. I also said he appears to be a good passer for a big. I said his jab step could be improved by going at a 45 degree angle. Lastly, I think I said one video showed him heavier than another and think the "attitude" that is manifested in rebounding numbers by an okay athlete can be the same attitude to being in shape..."IF" he were to work 90% as hard as Biggie. Take your time and review what I wrote and see if maybe you had a Freudian Slip in what you wanted me to say as opposed to what I actually said...and if I said he would be as good as Biggie or even not as good as Biggie...point that out to me. Apparently, TC4three read the same thing for some reason?
 
I think the main thing is not that the fans see him that way, but Williams sees himself that way. If he comes in to Purdue with a chip on his shoulder and works his but off like Caleb did, he could be really really good. He seems to have great skills so far.
yeah, I'm befuddled as hell in how I wrote something that doesn't begin to say what some thought it must say.

 
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Good pickup for IU, they'll need him to backup the 5. He'll probably end up in the top 100 in the rankings before graduating. He played on a loaded high school team with Reddish, Bamba, Randolph, (top50 recruits) and a few other D1 kids. Alone he's nothing to be concerned over but they're collecting talent.
 
so the scholarship offers are limited by some number at IU? ;)
I think it is fools gold to assume that any player with a Swanigan-like build will be anywhere near that good. It's not that you flat out said he would be; just seems to be a lot of folks comparing them and not noting how unusual Swanign was.

Swanigan was a top 20 player nationally out of high school for tangible reasons. Other players the same size might turn out to be excellent, but are very unlikely to be "born-ready" for a major college role. Usually top 50-ish players are of real first year value.

It's a disservice to Williams to expect him to be an instant impact guy, and it's a disservice to expect him to ever be nearly as good as Swanigan. It's not impossible, but is highly unlikely.
JM, you might read TJs post again. I don't think he is saying that he is going to be the same as Swannigan at all. I think he is just doing a compare contrast on skill sets as well as physical similarities.
I for one see a valuable player who will get better over four years. He is starting with really good ball and post skills for a big though.
 
I think if you read again what I wrote you will find, "Not only does Williams want to rebound but he appears to be a bit more athletic than Biggie at this age." No where does that say he will be as good. Next, I said..."If he works 90% of what Biggie did, he will be very good. " Being good and as good as Biggie are not the same, but that is up to him how good he becomes.

I do not understand how what I actually said and what you think I said to be similar in nature. Either I am confused or you are. Now, there are no expectations put on Williams by me (rad again what I wrote) and so it is illogical to think that somehow I could disservice Williams by placing expectations on him by someone like me incapable of placing those expectations as well as actually reading what I wrote if I had been in a real position to place expectations on him.

In summary, I said Williams could be very good if he works at it 90% of what Biggie did. I also said he appears to be a good passer for a big. I said his jab step could be improved by going at a 45 degree angle. Lastly, I think I said one video showed him heavier than another and think the "attitude" that is manifested in rebounding numbers by an okay athlete can be the same attitude to being in shape..."IF" he were to work 90% as hard as Biggie. Take your time and review what I wrote and see if maybe you had a Freudian Slip in what you wanted me to say as opposed to what I actually said...and if I said he would be as good as Biggie or even not as good as Biggie...point that out to me. Apparently, TC4three read the same thing for some reason?

JM, you might read TJs post again. I don't think he is saying that he is going to be the same as Swannigan at all. I think he is just doing a compare contrast on skill sets as well as physical similarities.
I for one see a valuable player who will get better over four years. He is starting with really good ball and post skills for a big though.

Agreed! TJ is NOT saying that, but I see and hear a lot of inference from Purdue fans that the visual resemblance to Swanigan = Swanigan performance some day. That's why I said "it's not that (tj) said...but a lot of comparisons..." in my original post. It would be like IU fans comparing a running big like Forrester to Cody...un-uh/pretty doubtful.
 
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Agreed! TJ is NOT saying that, but I see and hear a lot of inference from Purdue fans that the visual resemblance to Swanigan = Swanigan performance some day. That's why I said "it's not that (tj) said...but a lot of comparisons..." in my original post. It would be like IU fans comparing a running big like Forrester to Cody...un-uh/pretty doubtful.
Understand.
 
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Agreed! TJ is NOT saying that, but I see and hear a lot of inference from Purdue fans that the visual resemblance to Swanigan = Swanigan performance some day. That's why I said "it's not that (tj) said...but a lot of comparisons..." in my original post. It would be like IU fans comparing a running big like Forrester to Cody...un-uh/pretty doubtful.
I think virtually every Purdue fan understands that Swanigan was much more highly rated and that there can be similarities between the two without expecting Williams to be an All American.

At the same time, Matt Painter has a great track record with bigs and Williams chose Purdue because of that track record and Swanigan's development in particular. I have high expectations for Williams, even if I don't expect him to be a national player of the year finalist like Biggie.
 
The question was asked earlier if we would take IU’s 2018 class over the Purdue 2018 class. Well, first of all we are not finished recruiting, and neither is IU. Hunter and some players to be named later will probably round out Purdue’s 2018 class. …and no, IU’s 2018 class is not better than the Baby Boilers. That comparison is laughable.

Let’s say IU gets Langford, then I will be impressed, but within some limits. They also got Anderson, whom we wanted. I think Williams may turn out better than Anderson, but that’s a crap shoot/argument without resolution. I was hoping Langford would play for Purdue, but that is not looking likely. IMHO, a Langford commit to IU would make their class slightly better than ours from a pure recruiting stars perspective. However, our 2018 class specifically fits the needs of the program, and brings in kids that will blend well with the team we have. IU’s class seems loaded with a bunch of 100+ forwards. Not sure it would fit the Purdue program as well as the class Matt is putting together.

Bottom line? No I would not trade.
 
The question was asked earlier if we would take IU’s 2018 class over the Purdue 2018 class. Well, first of all we are not finished recruiting, and neither is IU. Hunter and some players to be named later will probably round out Purdue’s 2018 class. …and no, IU’s 2018 class is not better than the Baby Boilers. That comparison is laughable.

Let’s say IU gets Langford, then I will be impressed, but within some limits. They also got Anderson, whom we wanted. I think Williams may turn out better than Anderson, but that’s a crap shoot/argument without resolution. I was hoping Langford would play for Purdue, but that is not looking likely. IMHO, a Langford commit to IU would make their class slightly better than ours from a pure recruiting stars perspective. However, our 2018 class specifically fits the needs of the program, and brings in kids that will blend well with the team we have. IU’s class seems loaded with a bunch of 100+ forwards. Not sure it would fit the Purdue program as well as the class Matt is putting together.

Bottom line? No I would not trade.

Jerome Hunter.
 
The question was asked earlier if we would take IU’s 2018 class over the Purdue 2018 class. Well, first of all we are not finished recruiting, and neither is IU. Hunter and some players to be named later will probably round out Purdue’s 2018 class. …and no, IU’s 2018 class is not better than the Baby Boilers. That comparison is laughable.

Let’s say IU gets Langford, then I will be impressed, but within some limits. They also got Anderson, whom we wanted. I think Williams may turn out better than Anderson, but that’s a crap shoot/argument without resolution. I was hoping Langford would play for Purdue, but that is not looking likely. IMHO, a Langford commit to IU would make their class slightly better than ours from a pure recruiting stars perspective. However, our 2018 class specifically fits the needs of the program, and brings in kids that will blend well with the team we have. IU’s class seems loaded with a bunch of 100+ forwards. Not sure it would fit the Purdue program as well as the class Matt is putting together.

Bottom line? No I would not trade.
I didn't ask the poster if he would trade. I asked if he would be happy with the class IU has. I also didn't compare them to the Baby Boilers. I said posters on here would be saying that was the best class since the Baby Boilers if it had been our class. If Langford commits to IU it's laughable to call that class "slightly better" than our class which is just Williams (right now). Even throwing in Eric Hunter with our current class doesn't compare to that class with Romeo alone. Romeo is the best player to come out of the state since Eric Gordon.
 
They got another forward. So in the last 5 recruits he has landed grabbed 4 forwards and an undersized PG.

Yes, the guys he is pulling are decent, but he is recruiting back ups and rotational players at this point. Forester could play an undersized 5 and is highly rated for his defense, but at this point Archie really doesn't seem to have a recruiting plan. He isn't telling guys no, and it looks like he is over signing. Very Hazellike in terms of not understanding what he has and over filling a single position.

I admit I was a bit worried about IU recruiting, but right now it seems like he has no clue what he is doing. Only time will tell, but right now it doesn't seem like a good plan. On the plus side, he did appear to finally get a defensive stud.
Forrester is currently 6'10 with a 7'1 wingspan according to the article.

So with IU roster next year..
5: Davis 610 Forrester 6'10 Thompson 6'8 (4or5)
4: Morgan 6'8,Moore 6'10
2-3: Smith 6'7, Hunter 6'7, Anderson 6'7, Cujo 6'4, Romeo Possibly
pg: Green 6'3, Durham 6'4, Phinnisee 5'11

Following year.."could lose" Davis and will lose Morgan. So the 19 bigs will replace those two guys.
 
I'm not sure if the reply to me was deleted or the poster blocked me, but I wasn't "drooling over their class". In fact I was simply talking about Romeo. Romeo is not an iu recruit and most likely won't be.
 
I have never seen a thread full of so many iu posters looking for our approval. I haven't been here that long but seriously, the obsession level of the iu folks is off the chart.

Don't you all have your own forum to go to?

The thread about this new commit over on their rivals site is pretty funny. They make us look civil when we disagree here. I would seriously not be able to read the internet if I was a player or parent of a player today with what people have the nerve to say sitting behind a computer screen.
 
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The thread about this new commit over on their rivals site is pretty funny. They make us look civil when we disagree here. I would seriously not be able to read the internet if I was a player or parent of a player today with what people have the nerve to say sitting behind a computer screen.

Good point.

Some posters here think this board "has influence" and wish it wasn't so negative. They have obviously not visited other schools boards. This place is very tame.
 
You are right. J. Hunter is ranked in the 60's, another forward. Forgot about him. Good thing you IU guys hang out here to keep us honest!
If you've been to the IU sites you know they have to come here for reasonably intelligent and tempered discussion. The believers over there have puffed up their chests and started getting the ladder ready for the next banner ceremony.
 
Forrester is currently 6'10 with a 7'1 wingspan according to the article.

So with IU roster next year..
5: Davis 610 Forrester 6'10 Thompson 6'8 (4or5)
4: Morgan 6'8,Moore 6'10
2-3: Smith 6'7, Hunter 6'7, Anderson 6'7, Cujo 6'4, Romeo Possibly
pg: Green 6'3, Durham 6'4, Phinnisee 5'11

Following year.."could lose" Davis and will lose Morgan. So the 19 bigs will replace those two guys.

I really don't see a lot of talent on that roster outside of Jerome Hunter. Davis and Morgan have been horribly and almost hilariously misused. Maybe Archie can fix that, which would give them a decent 5 and 4, but nothing dominant. Hunter at the 3 is solid. Easily the best position for IU. Anderson would back up the 3. I noticed you merged 2-3. Smart because the 2 is the weakest and most ignored position. It's the reason why Purdue fans aren't threatened by the current IU class. Then PG is also really low on talent. Even if Phinisee develops, a freshman 5'10 pg is very likely to struggle. Yogi was great, but wasn't good as a freshman. This year and next year Archie is missing a lot of pieces and he has mostly ignored his biggest positions of need, or grabbed a piece that doesn't fit/solve the problem. He is good at the 3/4 spot. More than good actually. Needs to address 5,2,1. That is what everybody here has been pointing to, and why I said Archie doesn't look like he knows what he is doing.

The difference? If Archie lands Langford, then everything changes. That would give him a very balanced class. Still a great need at PG help though. Coming over here for approval and jumping up and down isn't going to cause Purdue fans to ignore the facts. I stand by my predictions. The ONLY way that changes is by landing Langford or Garland. But then some players are going to get Archied and forced off the team. Once again showing that IU is selling snake oil and how IU athletics does business.
 
The final note I will make here is about actual rankings and fitting a teams needs. This is what I think Archie currently is not doing well.

My case example will be the 2014 Purdue class. 247 show it with one top 100 player (Haas at 87), one top 150 (Vince at 145) and Dakota, PJ, and JT outside the top 200. They were 33rd over all, behind even IUs class (mainly because of Blackmon and Johnson). Ironically, IU was at its best when Blackmon was injured.

Ahead of Purdue's class was UNLV, Georgetown, OSU, Missouri, Stanford, Maryland, Florida, Sandiego State, NC State, USC, Providence, Alabama, Virginia Tech, VCU, Miami, Vanderbilt, OK State, BYU, and Cincinnati were ranked higher.

That class was EXACTLY, what Purdue needed. Perfectly balanced and the pieces complimented each other. That year is just one example, but there are many other teams that just took high ranked players that didn't fit.

So far Purdue has gotten exactly what they needed in Williams. If they manage to get Hunter, that will give them the second major piece in what they need. The next step is a rim protector. Castleton makes the most sense, but Dowuana could also fit the bill as a project on the defensive end. Either way, Purdue is still in decent shape. Add in a late riser or two that fits what Painter needs and Purdue is just fine. Just like that '14 class. The '14 class has a chance here to make some noise and go on a deep tournament run. Outperforming their ranking while many other team underperformed. There aren't many other '14 classes I would trade for Purdue's.
 
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That was also Hazell's downfall. He became star crazy rather than recruiting to meet the needs of the team. When he first arrived he had 6-8 weeks to add to Hope's recruiting class. it was obvious the team had huge holes on the line. But Hazell spent his time going after more 3* running backs - primarily because they had 3 stars. Rather than identifying and filling needs, he went after that fast RB from Louisville, and the Gatorade player of the year RB from Tennessee who ended up signing with Illinois. Rather than reaching for the "stars", he should have spent his time and energy plugging holes.

I think Hunter will be a very good fit , especially if Eastern becomes our point guard and floor general. I also see a need for a wing and a rim protector and rebounder. I'm fine with Haarms being a perimeter player. but if that is the plan, we will need another inside force.

I saw painter was showing interest in and visiting a 4* 6'5 sg/sf. he seems a little short to play SF, but I have confidence in Painter's eye for talent.
 
I really don't see a lot of talent on that roster outside of Jerome Hunter. Davis and Morgan have been horribly and almost hilariously misused. Maybe Archie can fix that, which would give them a decent 5 and 4, but nothing dominant. Hunter at the 3 is solid. Easily the best position for IU. Anderson would back up the 3. I noticed you merged 2-3. Smart because the 2 is the weakest and most ignored position. It's the reason why Purdue fans aren't threatened by the current IU class. Then PG is also really low on talent. Even if Phinisee develops, a freshman 5'10 pg is very likely to struggle. Yogi was great, but wasn't good as a freshman. This year and next year Archie is missing a lot of pieces and he has mostly ignored his biggest positions of need, or grabbed a piece that doesn't fit/solve the problem. He is good at the 3/4 spot. More than good actually. Needs to address 5,2,1. That is what everybody here has been pointing to, and why I said Archie doesn't look like he knows what he is doing.

The difference? If Archie lands Langford, then everything changes. That would give him a very balanced class. Still a great need at PG help though. Coming over here for approval and jumping up and down isn't going to cause Purdue fans to ignore the facts. I stand by my predictions. The ONLY way that changes is by landing Langford or Garland. But then some players are going to get Archied and forced off the team. Once again showing that IU is selling snake oil and how IU athletics does business.
I am not looking for approval at all..Just countering your comment that archie doesn't look like he knows what he is doing. Obviously he knows his system more than you and he filled those needs that the current roster lacked. I combine the 2-3 because in todays game their isn't really a difference.
He could go...
Green at pg
then Smith, Anderson, Hunter, Davis.
 
I am not looking for approval at all..Just countering your comment that archie doesn't look like he knows what he is doing. Obviously he knows his system more than you and he filled those needs that the current roster lacked. I combine the 2-3 because in todays game their isn't really a difference.
He could go...
Green at pg
then Smith, Anderson, Hunter, Davis.

That lineup looks scary to you? Anderson is the closest thing to a pure shooter and Hunter and Anderson form a liability on defense (as it stands right now).

I am curious about Smith. He could be a good player. I just don't see Smith, Anderson, and Hunter meshing well. Davis has potential, but he has been almost criminally misused, it will take a lot to right that ship. Nobody is scared of Green.

Hunter and Anderson are scorers, but different on styles. How they work together is something to keep an eye on. I still haven't seen or heard anything that makes me think anything other than Archie is just grabbing high ranked players and hoping just like Crean did. Maybe he can teach these kids some defense, but he doesn't play the pace he was selling Jackson-Davis on. How they do this season is important to watch. Not just wins and losses, but how they play.
 
That lineup looks scary to you? Anderson is the closest thing to a pure shooter and Hunter and Anderson form a liability on defense (as it stands right now).

I am curious about Smith. He could be a good player. I just don't see Smith, Anderson, and Hunter meshing well. Davis has potential, but he has been almost criminally misused, it will take a lot to right that ship. Nobody is scared of Green.

Hunter and Anderson are scorers, but different on styles. How they work together is something to keep an eye on. I still haven't seen or heard anything that makes me think anything other than Archie is just grabbing high ranked players and hoping just like Crean did. Maybe he can teach these kids some defense, but he doesn't play the pace he was selling Jackson-Davis on. How they do this season is important to watch. Not just wins and losses, but how they play.
That's just an example of a lineup. I didn't have Curtis jones or Moore listed
 
That's just an example of a lineup. I didn't have Curtis jones or Moore listed

Moore would replace Davis? Anderson? Smith? What about Race Thompson? Where are his minutes coming from. Now are you starting to see the dilemma of his recruiting? He is loaded with forwards with question marks at the 1,2, and 5. He could run Anderson/Hunter as a 2, but that isn't their strength. That is what everybody over here has been trying to tell all the IU folks over here.

Curtis Jones is at least an option at the 2 with a decent 3 point percentage, but he isn't a scary player either. Despite his ranking he looks more like a role player. It's time to see if Archie can coach these guys up, because if not, he is in trouble. I honestly can't wait for this season to start. At least college football is enjoyable again!
 
Iu sucks....I hate them & love Purdue!! Why does everyone care what trolls say?. Im 45 yrs old, I was a student manager at purdue under keady(coach painter was a junior), I've been around the program a bit. I knew at a young age that loosiers despise us because they are the "state" school and we consistently,through the years beat them or are "equal " to them. I love that BOILERS are graduates or tied close to purdue. We have all lived it! We live in iu land. Screw iu...go PURDUE. just block or ignore iu idiots and enjoy spanking them every year!! That's how I go about it now...kill them with kindness (and ass whoopings). It's pretty fun actually!!
 
Forrester is currently 6'10 with a 7'1 wingspan according to the article.

So with IU roster next year..
5: Davis 610 Forrester 6'10 Thompson 6'8 (4or5)
4: Morgan 6'8,Moore 6'10
2-3: Smith 6'7, Hunter 6'7, Anderson 6'7, Cujo 6'4, Romeo Possibly
pg: Green 6'3, Durham 6'4, Phinnisee 5'11

Following year.."could lose" Davis and will lose Morgan. So the 19 bigs will replace those two guys.


You forgot 2-4 Hartman 6'7"
 
I don't think we're equal to IU until we put up a final four and a national championship. We haven't been to the final four since what the early 80s they was in the final four in 2002.
 
I don't think we're equal to IU until we put up a final four and a national championship. We haven't been to the final four since what the early 80s they was in the final four in 2002.
You seem very confused with all of this "we" and "they". Little sister syndrome.
 
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