Darn, Archie landed another one..
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Forrester chose the Hoosiers over Seton Hall, Pittsburgh, Xavier and Virginia Tech among others.
Bruiser Flint played a key role in his commitment. Forrester's father, Dwight, told TheHoosier.com he's known Flint since the 1980's.
Forrester was also recruited by previous IU head coach Tom Crean.
“I’ve done my research on Indiana," the senior told TheHoosier.com this December, when Crean first offered him. "They’ve had those star players who were in my position – not ranked extremely high in the country – but they grow into lottery picks and NBA picks.
"Their style of play is great. The program and education they have is just great."
Forrester chose the Hoosiers over Seton Hall, Pittsburgh, Xavier and Virginia Tech among others.
Bruiser Flint played a key role in his commitment. Forrester's father, Dwight, told TheHoosier.com he's known Flint since the 1980's.
Forrester was also recruited by previous IU head coach Tom Crean.
“I’ve done my research on Indiana," the senior told TheHoosier.com this December, when Crean first offered him. "They’ve had those star players who were in my position – not ranked extremely high in the country – but they grow into lottery picks and NBA picks.
"Their style of play is great. The program and education they have is just great."
Jake Forrester is a pretty good get. He's been held back a bit in terms of scoring given the freakish talent around him. Bomba, Reddish, Randolph, etc...
His motor is real high and his reach and hops are 1st rate. Needs to extend his range a bit and learn some moves. But his D is exceptional and will be a very good offensive rebounder. He's rated between 120-160. I have him around 110 myself, but his ceiling is pretty high compared to most in that range.
Curious how this impacts IU in 2019 cycle. IU is in on some elite bigs in 19, but how many more bigs can they really take? Will a few get Archied?
His motor is real high and his reach and hops are 1st rate. Needs to extend his range a bit and learn some moves. But his D is exceptional and will be a very good offensive rebounder. He's rated between 120-160. I have him around 110 myself, but his ceiling is pretty high compared to most in that range.
Curious how this impacts IU in 2019 cycle. IU is in on some elite bigs in 19, but how many more bigs can they really take? Will a few get Archied?
The funny thing is that they finally admitted that Creaning existed and it was bad. Now after getting this guy and hoping to get some other recruits they are suggesting who should get Creaned. You reallly can't make this up.
You forgot to double bag my groceries again. One more time and I'm going to your manager.
They got another forward. So in the last 5 recruits he has landed grabbed 4 forwards and an undersized PG.
Yes, the guys he is pulling are decent, but he is recruiting back ups and rotational players at this point. Forester could play an undersized 5 and is highly rated for his defense, but at this point Archie really doesn't seem to have a recruiting plan. He isn't telling guys no, and it looks like he is over signing. Very Hazellike in terms of not understanding what he has and over filling a single position.
I admit I was a bit worried about IU recruiting, but right now it seems like he has no clue what he is doing. Only time will tell, but right now it doesn't seem like a good plan. On the plus side, he did appear to finally get a defensive stud.
Yes, the guys he is pulling are decent, but he is recruiting back ups and rotational players at this point. Forester could play an undersized 5 and is highly rated for his defense, but at this point Archie really doesn't seem to have a recruiting plan. He isn't telling guys no, and it looks like he is over signing. Very Hazellike in terms of not understanding what he has and over filling a single position.
I admit I was a bit worried about IU recruiting, but right now it seems like he has no clue what he is doing. Only time will tell, but right now it doesn't seem like a good plan. On the plus side, he did appear to finally get a defensive stud.
It seems to me that Archie does have a plan. He wants a long, athletic team that can cause issues on defense and run when the opportunity is there. Despite having a defense first mentality, I think that Archie is building his team much differently than Painter is. It will be interesting to see how the two programs evolve.
Not sure with the build of the team next season and what appears CMP going away from the post-centered offense and going to a much more position-less lineup. He stated that himself actually in an interview. Next season, there could very well be a lineup of the following:
G: Carsen Edwards
G: Nojel Eastern
G: Ryan Cline
F: Aaron Wheeler
F/C: Matt Haarms
That lineup only contains one player shorter than 6'5 in Carsen Edwards and is actually incredibly athletic...probably more so than any other in CMP's tenure.
Good point, but Williams is still primarily a post from what I can tell and Haarms is still 7'3" and certainly was sold on Painter's success with bigs like Johnson and Hammons.
I still see Painter tagetting versatile combo guards and highly versatile forwards over pure point guards and freak athletes on the wing, with Wheeler perhaps being an exception.
3 star forward right? Are we now surprised when they land 3 stars? We should all be happy with this one. It's a 3 star recruit we aren't even involved with. Means one less scholarship they have to offer someone we are recruiting and they only netted a 3 star prospect out of it.
I agree that this commitment doesn't hurt Purdue and arguably helps by taking up a scholarship.
so the scholarship offers are limited by some number at IU?
I like this commitment. It creates a log jam at a certain position, and might have been made due to a current commitment wavering on his verbal. From experience, we have seen Painter offer somebody usually because his Plan A has given him notice he is about to leave.
If that was the case, Henry would have been a much better fit than Anderson. Anderson has a long way to go on defense and Henry is more athletically gifted and much more physical. Forester is a good sign for them because of what he offers, but it makes zero sense with their current class unless they plan to pull an offer. They are loaded with forwards and don't have any real pure shooters. Outside of Jerome Hunter, I haven't been overly impressed. Archie really needs to land a player like Jackson-Davis, but I honestly believe that system will slow his growth compared to a team like Purdue. MSU would even be a better fit for Jackson-Davis, but Archie is really selling that snake oil.
His plan will be revealed over the next few years. Either he is a genuine ir he is a Hazel.
I think that Archie would have preferred Henry to Anderson, but took the first to commit.
I think he is modeling his roster after North Carolina and kind of hinted at that in his introductory press conference. He wants as many long athletic combo types he can get and will sacrifice shooting for it. Last year UNC was 66th in total FG % and 148th in 3pt % so not having any pure shooters didn't really effect them at all. He is trying to get away from a team that if missing their three pointers they don't have anything to fall back on. Definitely isn't going to happen overnight but this is the model he is going for. If you look at UNC's roster they have multiple guys in the 6'6" to 6'10" range that are long and athletic.
If IU had UNCs players or ability to recruit top 20 talent, then this would work. Purdue has been recruiting large athletic multi-position players. The difference? They were good defenders and could shoot.
IU has a very long way to go before they can be compared to UNC. It may work, who knows at this point. It looks terrible right now.
As for Archie preferring Henry, he could have easily said something to Anderson about the offer being contingent on other commits. He is loaded with 6'7-6'8 forwards and an undersized PG. if you want length and you are focusing on it, why go out and sign a 5'10 pg as your guy for the future? It makes absolutely no sense.
Here is what I predict possibly happens. Archie falls face first out the gate with the lack of talent this year. He struggles again the following year because he still has the wrong personnel, but there is atleast some improvement. He continues to sell score first forwards, oversigns a few and has to force some folks out of a scholly or suggests they pick another school. They possibly make the tournament, but have an early exit. By year three they make the tournament for sure and have another early exit. By year four, he has to go after the same type players he got at Dayton and stars having success again. IU fans aren't happy with recruit class outside the top 20 and he goes someplace else.
Not sure what that has to do with anything? That really has no bearing on how a team models its roster.
Not sure who on Purdue's roster you are talking about as large athletic multi position players? Swanigan was large but not overly athletic as witnessed by the Kansas game, Haas is definitely large. I admittedly haven't seen the freshman on this years team so that could very well be who you are talking about.
As far as PG options go we are still in on Garland who will be visiting with Langford for Hoosier Hysteria. I would say Garland is a long shot but you never know when it comes to recruiting.
As far as your prediction I guess time will tell. Nobody truly knows how he will do the next 3-4 years. Will have a lot of roster turnover after this year.
If Purdue had this recruiting class, would you still be this upset? I'm guessing you would be pretty happy with it, as most others here would be.
You think I would be happy if we signed 4 forwards and an undersized PG in this class? No. Purdue has made an effort to get a shooter. I'd much rather have MSUs class. A mix of wings, guards, forwards, and Bingham. If Purdue lands Hunter and Castleton/Dowuana to go with Williams, I would take Purdue's class every day of the week.
Also, Purdue already has building blocks with Carsen, Eastern, Williams, and Wheeler. IU doesn't have other building blocks for the future like Purdue. It isn't all that comparable. Purdue could get away with a wing or two, but that's because the depth chart has just Wheeler as a wing. But I wouldn't want them signing three wings on top of that. Or two wings and an undersized 4/5. Williams has great size and athleticism that he could end up playing like Biggie and having great success. He is also proficient on both ends and more importantly, he is one of the best incoming rebounders. He is an absolute need. Not to mention, his size allows a 5 that likes to play outside of the post. He fits. Hunter fits. He is 6'5 and can easily play 1-3 on offense and defense.
If IU lands Langford, that would change everything. Gives them two guards, a 6'8 PF, Jerome, and Anderson. That's a much more balanced class.
As for the prediction, only time will tell. It's my guess. Could be wrong or it could be spot on.
Lastly about the length and athleticism, I was referring to Wheeler, Eastern, and Ewing. They all are multi-dimensional and move incredibly well for their size.
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I see them having a PG, 2 wings, and a PF right now in this class. That seems fairly balanced. My point is, if this were Purdue's class you would be saying it is the best class since the Baby Boilers. That Baby Boiler class had 3 PF and 2 SF btw. Would you take that class again? I would.
I was never outspoken for Phinisee. I always preferred a player like Embery/Hunter/Ahrens. I really liked Anderson until I started reading reports about his defense. Jerome Hunter is a stud. I would be very happy to have him. I don't know enough about the new guy, but he seems like a defense first guy. Baby boilers had 4 top 75 players iirc. Was a much better clsss than IU has.
I love Williams. The kid reminds me so much of Biggie. Wide bodied and he can do it all.
Williams, Hunter, and Castleton would be a better class for Purdue. I 100% stand by that.
I like your three, but I didn't think Purdue was a strong contender for Castleton? I know he was impressed that Purdue actually uses all five players for offense ..meaning bigs get to see the ball from a pass and not just rebounding. I just hope you are right
IU and Northwestern. Both Big Ten teams. NW made the tournament last season though.
Vince is a 6'8 point forward and Wheeler is seen as a 6'9 with similar skills..albeit he isn't as skilled when Vince got to Purdue as a freshman. Wheeler's ceiling is arguably much higher because of his athleticism.
We're leading for Romeo and Brooks. Archie has his foundation players. The 5 stars will soon come. He's building a very balanced roster. Next season will most like have Greene and Phinesee at PG, Romeo and Cujo at SG, Hunter, Smith, and Anderson at the 3, Morgan, Thompson, and Moore at PF, and Davis and Forrester at the 5. That's a nice roster.
With such a brazen post from an IU fan on a Purdue board, I'd have at least expected to learn it was a top player. Did you really just pop off about a 3-star player Purdue wasn't even recruiting and who many of us probably haven't even heard of? Wow.
He's in the right place. IU graduates their players in three years or less and UNC doesn't require theirs to go to class so IU is headed in the right direction.
Did the Clapper leave you with about 12 unfilled schollies or are the lesser recruits going to get ArchWayed?
I get your point, but on paper, considering rankings, it isn't that much different than the 2012, 2013, and 2014 classes for Purdue. I'd also argue that by rankings the 2014 was the weakest of those 3 Purdue classes, but in reality it was clearly the best of the three. My point is that rankings can be very misleading. Nobody really knows what these classes will produce.
If I look at the players that Painter has been bringing in in the last few classes, I really like what he is assembling, regardless of rankings. That includes the one man class of Carsen Edwards, who I think is a very key piece to the puzzle. If Purdue can get a commitment from Eric Hunter, I'll be very happy with where the 2018 class stands with Williams and Hunter.
IU has six spots after this season: Johnson, Newkirk, Priller, McSwain, Hartman, and an open spot.
In line for a serious talent upgrade, especially if Langford and Garland jump in.
I know that I have said before that it is a given that both IU and Purdue can thrive at the same time; I am very confident that the Hoosiers will be up to that task and will be excellent, and soon. Also fairly confident that the three highest composite rated '18 kids from the state will all be at IU.
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