Danny Hope esque...

[pboiler18]

Why do you call a time out and allow the other team to call/set up their play?

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by pboiler18:
Why do you call a time out and allow the other team to call/set up their play?

Because we had to as well. They got a lucky shot to fall and we lost it at the foul line.

 

[rjmpu82]

we definitely lost it at the foul line....also thot Cincy wanted it more

 

[PBoiler84]

I agree with OP. At first I thought OK, set up the defense, but we didn't do squat. We let him him go right down the floor for the tie. Awful.

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by rjmpu82:
we definitely lost it at the foul line....also thot Cincy wanted it more

ANd let's be fair, Cincy was a good defensive team so we knew this game would be ugly .. and it was. Just make one free throw in regulation and we win.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Originally posted by pboiler18:
Why do you call a time out and allow the other team to call/set up their play?

Because it was the right thing to do at that time. Why aren't you complaining about 16.2% three point shooting? Or not getting the ball into Hammons the last five minutes of the game? Or missing free throws Or......any number of items that caused more issues than that time out.

 

[koopmeister]

I like Painter, but it was a mistake. The players on the floor know how to play defense...it only gives the advantage to the offense in that situation. Wasn't our finest game all the way around.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

terrible timeout. hope was the first thing i thought of too. just unreal. for what? to give up a layup? other coach even said he used it to draw up the winning play. choke city

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by TopSecretBoiler:
terrible timeout. hope was the first thing i thought of too. just unreal. for what? to give up a layup? other coach even said he used it to draw up the winning play. choke city

See here is the problem, cincy was already driving and scoring on that exact play and we weren't stopping it. I don't fault Painter for the timeout because our defense at the time was pretty much non-existent and something needed to be done to try and fix it.

Turns out it didn't matter.

Personally I am looking at just one shot, free throw or 3 just to go in during regulation and we would still be playing. That or play some defense at the end and that didn't happen either.

I guess ultimately to me, there are many other things prior to that timeout that could of happened that should of sealed the win and I look at those as more important than the timeout. Not defending it per se, I just see it differently I guess.
This post was edited on 3/20 6:52 AM by BBG

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by TopSecretBoiler:
terrible timeout. hope was the first thing i thought of too. just unreal. for what? to give up a layup? other coach even said he used it to draw up the winning play. choke city

See here is the problem, cincy was already driving and scoring on that exact play and we weren't stopping it. I don't fault Painter for the timeout because our defense at the time was pretty much non-existent and something needed to be done to try and fix it.

Turns out it didn't matter.

Personally I am looking at just one shot, free throw or 3 just to go in during regulation and we would still be playing. That or play some defense at the end and that didn't happen either.

I guess ultimately to me, there are many other things prior to that timeout that could of happened that should of sealed the win and I look at those as more important than the timeout. Not defending it per se, I just see it differently I guess.
This post was edited on 3/20 6:52 AM by BBG

BBG agree on the shot making, but those other things are on the players. Make a free throw. Don't air ball your wide open 3...etc. I just found it really odd that our experienced and highly paid coach would give a team who had the a ball a timeout with 7 seconds left. And if you do take that timeout, how is the instruction to CLOG THE PAINT at all costs not given? AJH wasn't even in the paint when that guy drove! The whole game really bugged me, but the timeout I just couldn't understand.

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by TopSecretBoiler:

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by TopSecretBoiler:
terrible timeout. hope was the first thing i thought of too. just unreal. for what? to give up a layup? other coach even said he used it to draw up the winning play. choke city

See here is the problem, cincy was already driving and scoring on that exact play and we weren't stopping it. I don't fault Painter for the timeout because our defense at the time was pretty much non-existent and something needed to be done to try and fix it.

Turns out it didn't matter.

Personally I am looking at just one shot, free throw or 3 just to go in during regulation and we would still be playing. That or play some defense at the end and that didn't happen either.

I guess ultimately to me, there are many other things prior to that timeout that could of happened that should of sealed the win and I look at those as more important than the timeout. Not defending it per se, I just see it differently I guess.
This post was edited on 3/20 6:52 AM by BBG

BBG agree on the shot making, but those other things are on the players. Make a free throw. Don't air ball your wide open 3...etc. I just found it really odd that our experienced and highly paid coach would give a team who had the a ball a timeout with 7 seconds left. And if you do take that timeout, how is the instruction to CLOG THE PAINT at all costs not given? AJH wasn't even in the paint when that guy drove! The whole game really bugged me, but the timeout I just couldn't understand.

Completely agree on your points. Another thing that stands out is towards the end I remember a cincy player scoring over Edwards and Edwards looking back with his arms up in a way that indicated to me he was asking "where was the help defense" and AJH was right there and didn't do .. anything to try and block or defend.

So many things fell apart, it just sucks that I don't think Cincy is a better team. We just had one of the worst games of the season in terms of things going wrong at all once.

 

[BBG]

*double post
This post was edited on 3/20 8:45 AM by BBG

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by TopSecretBoiler:

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by TopSecretBoiler:
terrible timeout. hope was the first thing i thought of too. just unreal. for what? to give up a layup? other coach even said he used it to draw up the winning play. choke city

See here is the problem, cincy was already driving and scoring on that exact play and we weren't stopping it. I don't fault Painter for the timeout because our defense at the time was pretty much non-existent and something needed to be done to try and fix it.

Turns out it didn't matter.

Personally I am looking at just one shot, free throw or 3 just to go in during regulation and we would still be playing. That or play some defense at the end and that didn't happen either.

I guess ultimately to me, there are many other things prior to that timeout that could of happened that should of sealed the win and I look at those as more important than the timeout. Not defending it per se, I just see it differently I guess.

This post was edited on 3/20 6:52 AM by BBG

BBG agree on the shot making, but those other things are on the players. Make a free throw. Don't air ball your wide open 3...etc. I just found it really odd that our experienced and highly paid coach would give a team who had the a ball a timeout with 7 seconds left. And if you do take that timeout, how is the instruction to CLOG THE PAINT at all costs not given? AJH wasn't even in the paint when that guy drove! The whole game really bugged me, but the timeout I just couldn't understand.

Geez, If you clog the post, Cincy buries the wide-open 3. We prevented the 3-pt shot for a WIN and took our chances on the drive, for 2, to TIE the game. The drive to the basket was well defended. Vince was with the kid all the way to the basket and was within an inch of blocking the shot. #10 made an excellent play to hit that shot against a well set up defense.

That TO had nothjing to do with our loss. It may very well have been the reason we got to OT, and had a second chance to win the game.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Originally posted by mathboy:

Originally posted by TopSecretBoiler:

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by TopSecretBoiler:
terrible timeout. hope was the first thing i thought of too. just unreal. for what? to give up a layup? other coach even said he used it to draw up the winning play. choke city

See here is the problem, cincy was already driving and scoring on that exact play and we weren't stopping it. I don't fault Painter for the timeout because our defense at the time was pretty much non-existent and something needed to be done to try and fix it.

Turns out it didn't matter.

Personally I am looking at just one shot, free throw or 3 just to go in during regulation and we would still be playing. That or play some defense at the end and that didn't happen either.

I guess ultimately to me, there are many other things prior to that timeout that could of happened that should of sealed the win and I look at those as more important than the timeout. Not defending it per se, I just see it differently I guess.

This post was edited on 3/20 6:52 AM by BBG

BBG agree on the shot making, but those other things are on the players. Make a free throw. Don't air ball your wide open 3...etc. I just found it really odd that our experienced and highly paid coach would give a team who had the a ball a timeout with 7 seconds left. And if you do take that timeout, how is the instruction to CLOG THE PAINT at all costs not given? AJH wasn't even in the paint when that guy drove! The whole game really bugged me, but the timeout I just couldn't understand.

Geez, If you clog the post, Cincy buries the wide-open 3. We prevented the 3-pt shot for a WIN and took our chances on the drive, for 2, to TIE the game. The drive to the basket was well defended. Vince was with the kid all the way to the basket and was within an inch of blocking the shot. #10 made an excellent play to hit that shot against a well set up defense.

That TO had nothjing to do with our loss. It may very well have been the reason we got to OT, and had a second chance to win the game.

So to be clear, you think the percentage play is to let the other team design a play for their best player and get one on one against a freshman rather than trust your team for 7 seconds...ok. They got exactly what they wanted coming out of that timeout. not us! You can't deny that.

 

[IndySouthsider]

I guarantee that is what Matt wanted. To have their guard dirbble into our strengths. If I was a betting man AJ was supposed to slide over and give Vince help and possibly send the shot into the arena stands.

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by IndySouthsider:
I guarantee that is what Matt wanted. To have their guard dirbble into our strengths. If I was a betting man AJ was supposed to slide over and give Vince help and possibly send the shot into the arena stands.

And by Vince's reaction after, I think you are spot on.

 

[bearsboiler]

This will be debated probably til next year...but this game isn't on Painter. There is NO WAY he told Hammons to stay home on that drive...he wasn't even guarding a shooter...he stood there and watched. We had the most veteran group on the floor that we could, and those veterans are the ones that missed the free throws and couldn't make a 3. I am disgusted with the game but i'm about to lose it if i hear or read another comparison to Danny Hope...if he didn't call a timeout and they went down and buried a 3 everyone would be bitching about him not calling a timeout.

last in the big ten last year, no post season, finished 3rd this year in the Big Ten and made it to the NCAA...Painter should have been Big Ten Coach of the year...so qwitcherbitchin.