Fair enough. I just didn't want you to think I was trying to justify the shooting. I wasn't. Like I said, I couldn't see a weapon. If there's no weapon, not sure how that shooting could ever be justified.
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right, well then forget everything I said...clearly those folks speak for everyone.
I'll tell them to tone it down at our next meeting.
I don't think anyone is trying to justify (other than the usual suspects).
I'm just saying that what they describe aint what happened and that's usually a sign that should make folks suspicious. I don't know if he had a gun or not, that is something you definitely can't tell in the video. But we can't be a society that talks about gun rights with reverence then using the mere possession of a gun by folks with darker skin as a reason to shoot folks.
I'm not certain of the point he's trying to make. He just kind of lobbed that into the discussion like a hand grenade.
Is this to blame BLM for the shootings in Dallas? Justify the shootings that led up to Dallas? Both? What? Explain yourself.
BLM seemed to be protesting in a civil manner in Dallas. The shooter seems to have been an avid follower of the New Black Panther Party (NBPP).
I am not familiar with the area in MN where this occurred too much. He was stopped in a predominantly white neighborhood by a Latino cop, I believe. It's entirely possible that DWB is an unofficial policy in this area.
well no I was trying to answer your question...if you've seen the recent statement by Rudy concerning BLM and AA complaints about policing and his "solutions" for same, you will understand quite easily why he posted what he did.
My bad...I wasn't referring to your post. I was referring to Giuliani's diatribe. I went way too shorthand on my reply. Me agreeing with you probably has you confused, too.
you agree with me about 35-40% of the time, about the same as Gr8. None of us are particularly extreme overall which is why we can reach that respectable level of agreement, although everyone has one or two things they are extreme in, which is why we both sometimes get into heated debates, we each have what the other considers a blind spot, and obviously, we each have button pushers, and we both know what those are.
Same can be said for a few of the other reasonable folks on here.
The rest? Not worthy of anything but mocking derision in my book.
Must be a different video of it then. I can see a man with his hands up, cannot tell if he had a gun, there was some movement then he went down. No idea if he had a gun. If he did not have one that is murder, if he did have one have to look at dash cams, take eye witness testimony, etc etc
I am sure he is no pristine driver. Some of his driving problems are probably economic. But if we are to use this his last stop as an example where he was essentially pulled over for vaguely meeting the description of a robbery suspect by having "a wide set nose" (aka just being black), one can surmise that his extensive driving records represent profiling moreso than just bad driving habits.
So is this fact or another "hands up don't shoot" fabrication used to incite minority violence in the country. Some of you need to watch Chomsky's piece on the media Manufacturing Consent so that you understand for who and what purpose the media exists. Quit knee jerk reacting to stuff like this.
No it's not and you have no evidence to back that insidious claim up. blacks commit 49% of murders and nonnegligent manslaughters. They are around 13% of the population. math wins, everyone is racist loses.
I find it insulting that you think I'm some simpleton being manipulated by media sources. You don't know me, don't impugn my intelligence.
I like watching the BLM leaders call for shooting cops, and then the cuckold white guilt liberals in the audience nervously clapping. My favorite is when the black guy yells "Stop clapping! Most of y'all folks ain't involved!" When will the white guilt cucks learn they are not wanted?
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Are you disputing that these stereotypes exist? Or just that they have any influence on law enforcement or the criminal justice system?
Bode said - "I think people trying to silo this into one issue are missing the point. I think you pointed it out - cops don't trust black men because there is a notion that black men are violent because there is heavy pockets of black men committing violent crime."
It is perfectly reasonable for cops to believe they are dealing with violent people in certain parts of a city. Look at DC. It's generally a very peaceful city, except for a few blocks, "pockets", of violence. He is correct in stating that cops are going to initially distrust black men in these areas due to the violent crime rate there.
Not everything is racism. It's just statistics.
Edit: let me put it another way. If everyone had the same skin color, do you think cops would treat people differently and be more on edge based on where the crime rate is bad? I think so. Would they try to find other ways to identify possible threats other than skin color? Perhaps the type of clothing or vehicle? Certainly. It's human nature, a defense mechanism, to use our reasoning to protect ourselves. That doesn't make everyone inherently racist or believe that blacks are super human or any other stupid shit qaz makes up.
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Now they're calling this Dallas shooter a martyr....
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...s-shooter-martyr-facbeook-live-post/86979620/
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A lone black woman who happened to be the first black Miss Alabama in 1993. Not really newsworthy. The media has made her statement into much more than it is. She has the right to express her opinion, even if it is offbase.
That certainly doesn't explain the Falcon Heights shoot. That suburb of the twin cities has one of the lowest crime rates in the area. That cop flat out panicked, and you can't have armed professional police panicking. Whether or not he did it because of race, I don't know. My suspicion is that he thought a black guy looked like a black guy and made an assumption on which he acted irresponsibly, and he should thus be charged with second-degree murder.
You're assuming that all, or some high percentage, of these cases of cops shooting black people occur in a "high crime rate area."
I didn't say it explains everything. And as I stated before, if the cop did something inappropriate, I hope the book is thrown at him. I'm probably the least pro-officer person on this board. I don't even think we should have a police force. That does NOT mean I'm taking any stupid cropped video or any knee jerkers opinion on here remotely seriously. We have a damn legal system in this country, it's not mob rule. It's not media rule. The lwnj inciters do not get to convict people. There's absolutely no statistical evidence that police are out murdering black people at a rate that's inconsistent with their violent crime rate. That doesn't mean everything is perfect, I've witnessed racial police abuse firsthand, but I'm tired of the faux outrage.
I don't have to assume. The data is out there. There is a high percentage. There are people that map this stuff. Go look at it.
You're arguing with a guy who says "I don't even think there should be a police force" is something that actually makes him sound credible. Think on that for a moment.
WOW you did it! LA, Chicago, Phoenix, Houston, New York, Dallas are your top! man that was hard.
So, these stats in your mind justify cops shooting blacks more frequently than any other racial group. Because they don't live in the right neighborhood. Fascinating...and sad.
I mean you are kind of a dick. Where did I say anything about it being justified? Please quote me. Or put me on ignore.
These three stats are quite eye-opening:
- An unarmed black person living in these cities was 6x more likely than an unarmed white person to be killed by police. An unarmed black person was almost as likely as an armed white person to be killed by police.
- The Police Homicide rate for black men in 17 cities is higher than the U.S. homicide rate. Black men in these cities have a higher chance of being killed by police than the average American has of being killed by anyone.
- Black men in six cities face a higher chance of being killed by police than the average American has of being killed in a car accident.
False
In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).
Just the facts And only facts. Too many people make up facts to support what they want to say.
If you're not trying to use this to justify cops disproportionately shooting black people, what's your point?
