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Haven't heard much recruiting insight lately. What are your predictions on landing the last potential 2018 recruits.
I'd guess about 20 percent chance on tyger, and perhaps 15 on ramey. I'm curious what small forwards we are still recruiting.
 
We have not offered any SFs. ..... I suspect we will ALL be surprised, and relatively happy/excited IF (a big IF) we get another commit.

I think Ramey is far higher than 15%, but not going to expect him to be the next. Where's he going? O$U, Ill????? orBoilerUp? Ill has three 4 stars plus/minus right ahead of him ... OSU, has NOTHING ... Cinti has little ..... hmmm
 
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Osu is loaded with gaurds though. yeah, he is better than all of them. I just saw a couple PU was recruiting commit elsewhere. One went to Tcu, he was a 6ft 6 sf. he probably was a long shot though. Id probanly put isaiah at close to 80 percent.
 
Osu is loaded with gaurds though. yeah, he is better than all of them. I just saw a couple PU was recruiting commit elsewhere. One went to Tcu, he was a 6ft 6 sf. he probably was a long shot though. Id probanly put isaiah at close to 80 percent.
but O$Us are all like 2 stars .... I wasn't counting Isaiah ... he's too far off, but yeah, may be the next commit.
 
Pretty sure osu has 3 4 stars that are gaurds, one is listed as a sf but is 6ft5, so pretty close there. Wonder if tyler herro even reconsiders purdue. WI to me is very similar to Purdue...
 
We have not offered any SFs. ..... I suspect we will ALL be surprised, and relatively happy/excited IF (a big IF) we get another commit.

I think Ramey is far higher than 15%, but not going to expect him to be the next. Where's he going? O$U, Ill????? orBoilerUp? Ill has three 4 stars plus/minus right ahead of him ... OSU, has NOTHING ... Cinti has little ..... hmmm
You are completely overlooking Missouri. They are the leaders and the favorites for Ramey.
 
I find this interesting ... neither good nor bad ... just interesting. MO has 8 offers for a PG in 2019 and ten in 2020... we have 1 in 2019 and none in 2020. Their offers look like IUs .. if you can dribble with both hands, we'll offer you.
 
sorry to have upset you. I'll gather my thoughts more before I post my thoughts again.
You certainly did not upset me. Just pointing out if you are giving reasons why Purdue would be a good fit as opposed to other schools, that it would be helpful to mention the leader. For example, you could have said Missouri has no scholarships to give for 2018 while Purdue has 2. I'm sure Missouri would make room for Ramey if he wanted to go there though.
 
You certainly did not upset me. Just pointing out if you are giving reasons why Purdue would be a good fit as opposed to other schools, that it would be helpful to mention the leader. For example, you could have said Missouri has no scholarships to give for 2018 while Purdue has 2. I'm sure Missouri would make room for Ramey if he wanted to go there though.
Or, you could have said "I think MO is the leader, it's close to home and I'm sure they'd find a scholarship for him."

It's easy. I express my thoughts, and you express yours. No reason to suggest that my thinking is inadequate by COMPLETELY OVERLOOKING something. My post was not intended to be based on anything more than my brief thoughts at the time ....
 
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If Tyger Campbell makes it for an official this weekend that might be something to keep an eye on.
 
If Tyger Campbell makes it for an official this weekend that might be something to keep an eye on.

Landing Tyger increases the chances of landing KBJ and Jackson-Davis, although I believe Jackson-Davis is probably and IU lean and KBJ is possibly a MSU lean.

All I know is that I want Isaiah Thompson as a Boiler. KBJ and Jackson-Davis are program changing type players, but Isaiah is family. PJ way outperformed his ranking and is one of my favorite Boilers of all time. I truly expect Isaiah to rank up on that list as well. I do like that Purdue is in the mix for KBJ, Okoro, Jackson-Davis.

Williams will serve as a good recruiter going forward. Isaiah and Hunter are very good as well to help land the top Indiana talent. It will be difficult going against IU with Miller (unless he gets dragged into the Adidas cheating like his brother). But, I really like the core of guys we have going forward. Tyger has some good connections that make him appealing. He isn't a great shooter but he is athletic and a very good field general. Great vision and a very good passer. Luckily Painter has a squad loaded with versitile players so putting him on the floor with Eastern is perfectly acceptable. Some aren't too high on him and say he is overrated. I think it's worth taking the risk on him and we could use another guard. Purdue greatly benefits from all of the versatility and allows them to pursue many different options.
 
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Landing Tyger increases the chances of landing KBJ and Jackson-Davis, although I believe Jackson-Davis is probably and IU lean and KBJ is possibly a MSU lean.

All I know is that I want Isaiah Thompson as a Boiler. KBJ and Jackson-Davis are program changing type players, but Isaiah is family. PJ way outperformed his ranking and is one of my favorite Boilers of all time. I truly expect Isaiah to rank up on that list as well. I do like that Purdue is in the mix for KBJ, Okoro, Jackson-Davis.

Williams will serve as a good recruiter going forward. Isaiah and Hunter are very good as well to help land the top Indiana talent. It will be difficult going against IU with Miller (unless he gets dragged into the Adidas cheating like his brother). But, I really like the core of guys we have going forward. Tyger has some good connections that make him appealing. He isn't a great shooter but he is athletic and a very good field general. Great vision and a very good passer. Luckily Painter has a squad loaded with versitile players so putting him on the floor with Eastern is perfectly acceptable. Some aren't too high on him and say he is overrated. I think it's worth taking the risk on him and we could use another guard. Purdue greatly benefits from all of the versatility and allows them to pursue many different options.
I worry that getting Tyger would make us lose out on Thompson. I dont think their talent level is all that different, and like you said, Thompson is family. There is an argument to be made that Tyger could help with TJD because they are friends, but at this point I fully expect TJD to go to IU. He visited for their football game last week. He went to the IU practice on Monday, and he is going to Hoosier Hysteria this Saturday.
 
I would disagree. Isaiah is a way better shooter than Tyger. Not sure if he has any growth left in him but I see him more as a 2 or a combo
Isaiah is a better shooter, but Tyger is a better facilitator. In the end they will both be ranked around 100-120 for their respective classes. This is the reason I said they are at a similar talent level.
 
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Isaiah could commit at any time if he was ready to. I don’t think that an uncommitted Isaiah factors into a decision of whether or not to offer Campbell.

PJ committed a year after Scott and two years after RJ and later had to compete with Octeus and Spike, as a comparison. It should be expected that every player is going to have to compete for playing time.
 
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A question. If we use all five of our available 2018 scholarships, how many would we have left for 2019? I thought we had 3 for 2019. and rather than saying what players you want to use them on, I'll ask , what positions you believe we would use them on?

I see the debate back and forth on Tyger verses Isaiah. But with Eastern, do we really "NEED" either player? I don't like the idea of holding back a scholarship in 2018 just so we can have an extra one in 2019. if Isaiah is as good as posters think he is and he's family, I see no reason why Painter wouldn't give him a scholarship. And I'm sure he'd welcome the competition at his position. however, there appears to be a very big difference in ranking between Isaiah and Tyger nd Ramey.

but let's not get ahead of ourselves. We've got 2 scholarships left for 2018. Painter basically made the decision canceling Castleton's visit, he's not recruiting another BIG man for 2018. he has two slots left. I suspect he'll try to land another guard and small forward / wing.

if that means signing Tyger or Ramey or both, I say go for it! I personally believe signing a small forward / wing is a greater need. if Carmody or Anderson de-committed would we go after them? Herro from Wis had a Purdue offer. he's 6'6 and listed as a SG. We're seeing a bunch of players decommitting. We may see a bunch more. I think we should worry about 2018 and allow the scholarships for players of 2019 take care of themselves.
 
A question. If we use all five of our available 2018 scholarships, how many would we have left for 2019? I thought we had 3 for 2019. and rather than saying what players you want to use them on, I'll ask , what positions you believe we would use them on?

I see the debate back and forth on Tyger verses Isaiah. But with Eastern, do we really "NEED" either player? I don't like the idea of holding back a scholarship in 2018 just so we can have an extra one in 2019. if Isaiah is as good as posters think he is and he's family, I see no reason why Painter wouldn't give him a scholarship. And I'm sure he'd welcome the competition at his position. however, there appears to be a very big difference in ranking between Isaiah and Tyger nd Ramey.

but let's not get ahead of ourselves. We've got 2 scholarships left for 2018. Painter basically made the decision canceling Castleton's visit, he's not recruiting another BIG man for 2018. he has two slots left. I suspect he'll try to land another guard and small forward / wing.

if that means signing Tyger or Ramey or both, I say go for it! I personally believe signing a small forward / wing is a greater need. if Carmody or Anderson de-committed would we go after them? Herro from Wis had a Purdue offer. he's 6'6 and listed as a SG. We're seeing a bunch of players decommitting. We may see a bunch more. I think we should worry about 2018 and allow the scholarships for players of 2019 take care of themselves.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think that Herro decomitted from Wisconsin to go to a similar program, like Purdue. Based on his statement, I think that he’ll end up at one of UNC, Kansas, Duke, or UK.
 
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But with Eastern, do we really "NEED" either player?
Yes because there is a big IF associated with Eastern being our starting point guard. We will see how this year pans out.

Second, iron sharpens iron. Elite players should want to come and have a chance to compete against the best for a chance to start.
 
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A question. If we use all five of our available 2018 scholarships, how many would we have left for 2019? I thought we had 3 for 2019. and rather than saying what players you want to use them on, I'll ask , what positions you believe we would use them on?

I see the debate back and forth on Tyger verses Isaiah. But with Eastern, do we really "NEED" either player? I don't like the idea of holding back a scholarship in 2018 just so we can have an extra one in 2019. if Isaiah is as good as posters think he is and he's family, I see no reason why Painter wouldn't give him a scholarship. And I'm sure he'd welcome the competition at his position. however, there appears to be a very big difference in ranking between Isaiah and Tyger nd Ramey.

but let's not get ahead of ourselves. We've got 2 scholarships left for 2018. Painter basically made the decision canceling Castleton's visit, he's not recruiting another BIG man for 2018. he has two slots left. I suspect he'll try to land another guard and small forward / wing.

if that means signing Tyger or Ramey or both, I say go for it! I personally believe signing a small forward / wing is a greater need. if Carmody or Anderson de-committed would we go after them? Herro from Wis had a Purdue offer. he's 6'6 and listed as a SG. We're seeing a bunch of players decommitting. We may see a bunch more. I think we should worry about 2018 and allow the scholarships for players of 2019 take care of themselves.
I definitely think PG is a NEED in either the 2018 class, or the 2019 class. If everything works out with Eastern as the PG, then he will at least need a backup. If things don't work out with Eastern at the PG, and he has to play more of a SF position then we probably need two PGs. SF is an area of need, but at this point it doesn't appear we are recruiting any for 2018.

As for Herro, he basically said in his decommitment post that he had outgrown Wisconsin, and that bigger teams had come knocking. He will end up at a blue blood.
 
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A question. If we use all five of our available 2018 scholarships, how many would we have left for 2019? I thought we had 3 for 2019. and rather than saying what players you want to use them on, I'll ask , what positions you believe we would use them on?

I see the debate back and forth on Tyger verses Isaiah. But with Eastern, do we really "NEED" either player? I don't like the idea of holding back a scholarship in 2018 just so we can have an extra one in 2019. if Isaiah is as good as posters think he is and he's family, I see no reason why Painter wouldn't give him a scholarship. And I'm sure he'd welcome the competition at his position. however, there appears to be a very big difference in ranking between Isaiah and Tyger nd Ramey.

but let's not get ahead of ourselves. We've got 2 scholarships left for 2018. Painter basically made the decision canceling Castleton's visit, he's not recruiting another BIG man for 2018. he has two slots left. I suspect he'll try to land another guard and small forward / wing.

if that means signing Tyger or Ramey or both, I say go for it! I personally believe signing a small forward / wing is a greater need. if Carmody or Anderson de-committed would we go after them? Herro from Wis had a Purdue offer. he's 6'6 and listed as a SG. We're seeing a bunch of players decommitting. We may see a bunch more. I think we should worry about 2018 and allow the scholarships for players of 2019 take care of themselves.
We have two left for '18, 3 for '19 and 1 for 2020 ... assuming nothing "happens." Our greatest needs by FAR are a PF and a SF ... one can strategize a bit and roll one or two of '18 to '19 and one or two of '19 to '20 to add a bit of future balance, although the unknowns make this a crap shoot. Never turn dpown a great player.

Guards left - Carsen, Nojel, Sasha, Hunter,
Forwards left - Tre, Wheeler
Biggiess left - Haarms, Dow

Just dreaming - no more this year, Okoro, Brooks, and Thompson next year, and three for 2020. But my income from college coaching is NIL!
 
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Just to throw it out there. At this moment, Okoro is a 4* and TJD is a 3* -- and for Gawd's sake, don't get into the stars meaning anything debate, I'm just stating something
Where do you see TJD as a 3*? He is a top 50 4* on 247, Rivals, and ESPN.
 
A question. If we use all five of our available 2018 scholarships, how many would we have left for 2019? I thought we had 3 for 2019. and rather than saying what players you want to use them on, I'll ask , what positions you believe we would use them on?

I see the debate back and forth on Tyger verses Isaiah. But with Eastern, do we really "NEED" either player? I don't like the idea of holding back a scholarship in 2018 just so we can have an extra one in 2019. if Isaiah is as good as posters think he is and he's family, I see no reason why Painter wouldn't give him a scholarship. And I'm sure he'd welcome the competition at his position. however, there appears to be a very big difference in ranking between Isaiah and Tyger nd Ramey.

but let's not get ahead of ourselves. We've got 2 scholarships left for 2018. Painter basically made the decision canceling Castleton's visit, he's not recruiting another BIG man for 2018. he has two slots left. I suspect he'll try to land another guard and small forward / wing.

if that means signing Tyger or Ramey or both, I say go for it! I personally believe signing a small forward / wing is a greater need. if Carmody or Anderson de-committed would we go after them? Herro from Wis had a Purdue offer. he's 6'6 and listed as a SG. We're seeing a bunch of players decommitting. We may see a bunch more. I think we should worry about 2018 and allow the scholarships for players of 2019 take care of themselves.

I'll keep it simple. Purdue doesn't really use a true PG and relies on movement and shooting. Isaiah can score in droves, like CE. He isn't a pg in the traditional sense, and that's ok. More of a replacement for CE.

As for Tyger, if he develops a shot and is willing to put in the work on defense he will be really dang good. You wouldn't pass on his because Eastern is a ball handler. A) you need serviceable backups and Purdue gives backups minutes and points. B) Eastern is versitile. He can be a ball handler as a 3 and can guard 1-4. There would be no set back playing him with Isaiah and Tyger at the same time because of his height.

Isaiah is a need to me to replace CE. Tyger is a luxury. My only concern is his shooting, that would have to improve. But, worth taking a risk because of KBJ and Jackson-Davis. I would make sure to go to Isaiah and explain the plan and make sure he knows we will want him and are all in for him.
 
Now I'm confused.

one poster above says he wants no more scholarships given out for this this year, and to give out three for 2019 and 2020. So what do you want to do with our two remaining 2018 scholarships? just bank them? to me that seems very inefficient. To me, if you have 2 scholarships, you give them out. and we still have 3 left to give out for 2019. 2020 is too far down the road to worry about.

I'm also confused by the Tyger to Isaiah comparisons. Every national scouting service has Tyger ranked way above Isaiah. yet, posters here continue to diss his shooting and defense and his school, and his AAU team and his name and everything about him. Surely he must be doing something right to garner a 4* rating in three different recruiting services, and also receive all the offers he's received. He was La LUm's floor general. They were a pretty good team, weren't they? if you want to, just forget the rankings and look at the offers.

On the other side, Isaish is family and his national ranking dropped significantly from last year, but he's family and the greatest thing since his brother and apple pie. Obviously. if his national ranking dropped, there must be a reason. Wha t was the reason his ranking dropped? Injury? He peeked? other players improving? I don't know. and since his ranking is way below Tyger's , one would be led to believe he also has some flaws in his game as well. I think some are placing desires and family over realistic observations. I look at Isaiah the same way I looked at Phinisee. A nice player, but if a guy like Langford comes along and is interested, i'm signing him instead.

rather than using 2019 and Isaiah , we should look at our current talents and needs to address who we give our two remaining 2018 scholarships to. We have two left- . sign a guard and a small forward.

if you still like Isaiah, and he improves and is worthy, sign him in 2019, but in doing so realize there will probably be a lot of better PGs in 2019 that Painter may also be interested in.

As for Herro, he said he's moving on to a bigger program. isn't Purdue a bigger program than UW? looking at many of the posts on this board, we're Final 4 bound. and he'd be our final 4 herro!
 
Now I'm confused.

one poster above says he wants no more scholarships given out for this this year, and to give out three for 2019 and 2020. So what do you want to do with our two remaining 2018 scholarships? just bank them? to me that seems very inefficient. To me, if you have 2 scholarships, you give them out. and we still have 3 left to give out for 2019. 2020 is too far down the road to worry about.

I'm also confused by the Tyger to Isaiah comparisons. Every national scouting service has Tyger ranked way above Isaiah. yet, posters here continue to diss his shooting and defense and his school, and his AAU team and his name and everything about him. Surely he must be doing something right to garner a 4* rating in three different recruiting services, and also receive all the offers he's received. He was La LUm's floor general. They were a pretty good team, weren't they? if you want to, just forget the rankings and look at the offers.

On the other side, Isaish is family and his national ranking dropped significantly from last year, but he's family and the greatest thing since his brother and apple pie. Obviously. if his national ranking dropped, there must be a reason. Wha t was the reason his ranking dropped? Injury? He peeked? other players improving? I don't know. and since his ranking is way below Tyger's , one would be led to believe he also has some flaws in his game as well. I think some are placing desires and family over realistic observations. I look at Isaiah the same way I looked at Phinisee. A nice player, but if a guy like Langford comes along and is interested, i'm signing him instead.

rather than using 2019 and Isaiah , we should look at our current talents and needs to address who we give our two remaining 2018 scholarships to. We have two left- . sign a guard and a small forward.

if you still like Isaiah, and he improves and is worthy, sign him in 2019, but in doing so realize there will probably be a lot of better PGs in 2019 that Painter may also be interested in.

As for Herro, he said he's moving on to a bigger program. isn't Purdue a bigger program than UW? looking at many of the posts on this board, we're Final 4 bound. and he'd be our final 4 herro!
PLEASE NOTE< that I said it was a DREAM - meaning if we got the three BEST fits for our program next year, then I am happy. I suggested that getting 3, 3, and 3 would not be a bad strategy over just taking someone (Which Matt has not done for a while) this year. We are going to be out of balance in 2020 unless someone leaves early or transfers. Odds of that may not be bad, but I think we filled the holes we needed filled this year and filled them well. If we have 5 options to play next year, we have huge flexibility to fill whatever holes open-up, and if we use three that year, then we have 3 to fill whatever holes are there in 2020.

My point being - we don't NEED to fill those two schollies with the team we have. No pressure to go get someone.

I think you are the one who discusses the impact of the TEAM, which I totally agree with. We have a solid team right now... and have a year in the future that may present a challenge to keep building that team.
 
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Now I'm confused.

one poster above says he wants no more scholarships given out for this this year, and to give out three for 2019 and 2020. So what do you want to do with our two remaining 2018 scholarships? just bank them? to me that seems very inefficient. To me, if you have 2 scholarships, you give them out. and we still have 3 left to give out for 2019. 2020 is too far down the road to worry about.

I'm also confused by the Tyger to Isaiah comparisons. Every national scouting service has Tyger ranked way above Isaiah. yet, posters here continue to diss his shooting and defense and his school, and his AAU team and his name and everything about him. Surely he must be doing something right to garner a 4* rating in three different recruiting services, and also receive all the offers he's received. He was La LUm's floor general. They were a pretty good team, weren't they? if you want to, just forget the rankings and look at the offers.

On the other side, Isaish is family and his national ranking dropped significantly from last year, but he's family and the greatest thing since his brother and apple pie. Obviously. if his national ranking dropped, there must be a reason. Wha t was the reason his ranking dropped? Injury? He peeked? other players improving? I don't know. and since his ranking is way below Tyger's , one would be led to believe he also has some flaws in his game as well. I think some are placing desires and family over realistic observations. I look at Isaiah the same way I looked at Phinisee. A nice player, but if a guy like Langford comes along and is interested, i'm signing him instead.

rather than using 2019 and Isaiah , we should look at our current talents and needs to address who we give our two remaining 2018 scholarships to. We have two left- . sign a guard and a small forward.

if you still like Isaiah, and he improves and is worthy, sign him in 2019, but in doing so realize there will probably be a lot of better PGs in 2019 that Painter may also be interested in.

As for Herro, he said he's moving on to a bigger program. isn't Purdue a bigger program than UW? looking at many of the posts on this board, we're Final 4 bound. and he'd be our final 4 herro!

Isaiah just dropped 40 in a game not too long ago. I don't care what his ranking says, he is the real deal. He is one of the best players in the state.

Nobody I have seen dissed lalu and his shooting isn't bad, it's just not at the level that would be ideal for Painter's system and that is 40% from 3. He is a pass first player because he is on a team with a ton of talent. He just isn't a volume shooter. In his defense, not many are there shootingwise as incoming freshman. Also, Tyger gets steals, so his defense isn't terrible, but it will have to constantly improve. If Tyger buys in, he would see the court.

You don't piss away a scholarship on someone that won't play because you have it. If nobody fits the bill, Purdue is in a place they can pocket it. No glaring needs, but a wing and a guard will be needs soon enough. Swing for the fences, but unless you are dirty, you don't get in this late on top talent and win. Purdue isn't dirty and doesn't have glaring holes.

As for Herro, somebody committed that long generally doesn't jump unless there is some dirty pool going on. I'm guessing Duke or Clemson.

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It's so hard to reply to your comments because they are generally filled with absolute rubbish and/or you patting yourself on the back. I did my best, but I won't be doing it again on this subject.
 
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I definitely think PG is a NEED in either the 2018 class, or the 2019 class. If everything works out with Eastern as the PG, then he will at least need a backup. If things don't work out with Eastern at the PG, and he has to play more of a SF position then we probably need two PGs. SF is an area of need, but at this point it doesn't appear we are recruiting any for 2018.

As for Herro, he basically said in his decommitment post that he had outgrown Wisconsin, and that bigger teams had come knocking. He will end up at a blue blood.

Oh yea? ..... But, ....But, .....we are a Black Blood!!!! Yea, that's it. Black Blood!!!!!
 
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Haven't heard much recruiting insight lately. What are your predictions on landing the last potential 2018 recruits.
I'd guess about 20 percent chance on tyger, and perhaps 15 on ramey. I'm curious what small forwards we are still recruiting.

Painter will land our top 2018 recruit in the spring. Mark it!
 
You certainly did not upset me. Just pointing out if you are giving reasons why Purdue would be a good fit as opposed to other schools, that it would be helpful to mention the leader. For example, you could have said Missouri has no scholarships to give for 2018 while Purdue has 2. I'm sure Missouri would make room for Ramey if he wanted to go there though.
Is Missouri the leader?
 
Isaiah just dropped 40 in a game not too long ago. I don't care what his ranking says, he is the real deal. He is one of the best players in the state.

Nobody I have seen dissed lalu and his shooting isn't bad, it's just not at the level that would be ideal for Painter's system and that is 40% from 3. He is a pass first player because he is on a team with a ton of talent. He just isn't a volume shooter. In his defense, not many are there shootingwise as incoming freshman. Also, Tyger gets steals, so his defense isn't terrible, but it will have to constantly improve. If Tyger buys in, he would see the court.

You don't piss away a scholarship on someone that won't play because you have it. If nobody fits the bill, Purdue is in a place they can pocket it. No glaring needs, but a wing and a guard will be needs soon enough. Swing for the fences, but unless you are dirty, you don't get in this late on top talent and win. Purdue isn't dirty and doesn't have glaring holes.

As for Herro, somebody committed that long generally doesn't jump unless there is some dirty pool going on. I'm guessing Duke or Clemson.

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It's so hard to reply to your comments because they are generally filled with absolute rubbish and/or you patting yourself on the back. I did my best, but I won't be doing it again on this subject.


and on the flip side, a lot of comments by posters on this board seem rather homerish! You like a certain player and don't like arguments against him or suggested alternatives.

I wasn't big on Phinisee but for one poster, he was a " must have" and couldn't be convinced otherwise. I'm seeing the same exact type of posts for Isaiah. I have nothing against him. but if there is a better player out there who is interested in Purdue, I say go after him.

you talk about chemistry as if you're in the locker room. I have confidence in Painter that if he's recruiting somebody that chemistry is not an issue. And if he's actively recruiting players, that means he has no intentions of banking those scholarships to some future year.
 
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