Competition for Fleck

[FirstDownB]

Oregon is looking for a proven P5 commodity. Baylor is damaged goods and also appears to be looking elsewhere. Houston is non P5.

Honestly, I think IF Fleck is MBob's #1 guy, Fleck's decision will come down to Purdue vs. one more year at WMU. Staying at WMU sounds crazy and risky, but he seems to be exactly the type of guy who would bet on himself winning 10-12 games again next year when there will likely be more P5 openings. Either way he is going to have to bet on himself - either that he can rebuild Purdue from the ashes (else be stained forever) or that he can have another strong season at WMU without his starting QB and WR (else see his stock plummet and miss out on a P5 gig).

Fleck has many years ahead of him, but if he comes to Purdue he probably won't get an opportunity to jump to a higher P5 gig for awhile as his stock will stagnate until he turns the program around, which will take several years. Let's face it even with Urban Meyer we're not winning more than 3-4 games next year.

In the end I don't see him turning down a P5 offer, but it is a more complicated decision than at first glance.

 

[Like_a_Boss]

I also think a lot of the coaching search hinges on head coach compensation AND staff compensation. Purdue was either 13th or 14th in the B1G for staff compensation -- all staff besides the HC.

You get what you pay for. We have to spend $$$ for the HC, but we also have to spend $$$ to get and retain capable coordinators and position coaches.

 

[TMA62]

I also think a lot of the coaching search hinges on head coach compensation AND staff compensation. Purdue was either 13th or 14th in the B1G for staff compensation -- all staff besides the HC.

You get what you pay for. We have to spend $$$ for the HC, but we also have to spend $$$ to get and retain capable coordinators and position coaches.

Au contraire! Our former AD has been saying the opposite since the 1990's. He's an expert in collegiate sports like football and basketball. Has has said so many a time.

 

[Statey]

Au contraire! Our former AD has been saying the opposite since the 1990's. He's an expert in collegiate sports like football and basketball. Has has said so many a time.

“It will be kind of fun to see whether I’m right or if some of the pundits are right.” -Morgan Burke

Glad he had his fun riding the Hazell train until the last lump of coal was ashed.

Back to the OP's comment about Fleck betting on himself at WMU... let the above be a lesson in betting too big on yourself. Burke was at the end of his career and could afford to leave his chips on the table and let it ride. Fleck would be wise to give strong consideration to leaving the table while his hand is still hot.

 

[FirstDownB]

Back to the OP's comment about Fleck betting on himself at WMU... let the above be a lesson in betting too big on yourself. Burke was at the end of his career and could afford to leave his chips on the table and let it ride. Fleck would be wise to give strong consideration to leaving the table while your hand is still hot.

I agree that would be my decision if I were in Fleck's shoes. Might be different if his star QB was returning. BTW how many games has PJ Fleck has won as a HC without Zach Terrell as starting QB?

 

[Indy_Rider]

“It will be kind of fun to see whether I’m right or if some of the pundits are right.” -Morgan Burke

Glad he had his fun riding the Hazell train until the last lump of coal was ashed.

Back to the OP's comment about Fleck betting on himself at WMU... let the above be a lesson in betting too big on yourself. Burke was at the end of his career and could afford to leave his chips on the table and let it ride. Fleck would be wise to give strong consideration to leaving the table while your hand is still hot.

Yeap and Fleck loses a lot at key positions. At the MAC level, any step back could hurt you and it will be hard to match this seasons success when you lose your starting QB.

What I'm getting most tired of is all the people who keep saying Purdue is such a bad job. Yes, we are down after two bad coaching hires in a row, but it hasn't been that long that we were good and there is no reason we can't be good again. Just need to get this hire right.

 

[Indy_Rider]

I agree that would be my decision if I were in Fleck's shoes. Might be different if his star QB was returning. BTW how many games has PJ Fleck has won as a HC without Zach Terrell as starting QB?

Looks like he's been the starting QB for four years and his numbers have been pretty consistent for the last 3 years. So he's won 0 games without Zach.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/532645/zach-terrell

If anything that is knock against Fleck. Did he get lucky with a good QB or did Fleck make the QB good, he hasn't done it with any other QB's so you don't know.

 

[Lobtfu]

Did he recruit Zach?

 

[rgarlitz]

Yeap and Fleck loses a lot at key positions. At the MAC level, any step back could hurt you and it will be hard to match this seasons success when you lose your starting QB.

True enough. The MAC is a much more fluid conference than the BIG --- no gargantuan programs that dominate recruiting and resources. A few key players can make or break MAC teams.

But, the reverse is also true. If Fleck has found a winning formula in the MAC he can certainly recruit his way to another rebuild.

 

[FirstDownB]

Western Michigan passing stats:
2013: 5.78 yds/attempt, 98.5 rating, WMU record 1-11 (Zach Terrell freshman)
2014: 9.34 yds/attempt, 164.2 rating, WMU record 8-5 (Zach Terrell sophomore)
2015: 9.24 yds/attempt, 165.2 rating, WMU record 8-5 (Zach Terrell junior)
2016: 9.67 yds/attempt, 183.1 rating, WMU record 12-0 (Zach Terrell senior)

Doesn't bode well for WMU in 2017. They also lose star receiver Corey Davis.

 

[Indy_Rider]

Did he recruit Zach?

Since both arrived at the same time, no he would've inherited his seniors since not much time to recruit players, just try to hang on commits you have.

 

[FirstDownB]

Did he recruit Zach?

Zach was in the 2012 class and committed to WMU in 2011 while Fleck was at Rutgers.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/34078

 

[FirstDownB]

Credit to Fleck and his staff for developing Terrell, but there is definitely risk that Terrell is just a total diamond in the rough Drew Brees type QB and leader.

 

[Indy_Rider]

Credit to Fleck and his staff for developing Terrell, but there is definitely risk that Terrell is just a total diamond in the rough Drew Brees type QB and leader.

Yeah, would be nice to see one more year of work out of Fleck with a different QB that he developed, but unfortunately we don't have the luxury to see how he does when there is turn over at key positions to see if he can maintain it.

 

[studed]

Western Michigan passing stats:
2013: 5.78 yds/attempt, 98.5 rating, WMU record 1-11 (Zach Terrell freshman)
2014: 9.34 yds/attempt, 164.2 rating, WMU record 8-5 (Zach Terrell sophomore)
2015: 9.24 yds/attempt, 165.2 rating, WMU record 8-5 (Zach Terrell junior)
2016: 9.67 yds/attempt, 183.1 rating, WMU record 12-0 (Zach Terrell senior)

Doesn't bode well for WMU in 2017. They also lose star receiver Corey Davis.

western michigan will be fine next year. they have more talent than the rest of the mac. one reason the western passing game works so well is because they run the ball so well. other teams stack the box and they throw on them. when teams dont stack the box they run all over them. fleck and his coaching staff do a great job developing the oline. western would have had one of the better oline in the b10 this year
western last 3 games
against toledo passing 198 run for 250
against buffalo passing 445 run for 181
against kent state passing 83 run for 329
against 2 b10 teams
northwestern 218 passing rushing 198
illinois 150 passing rushing 287

 

[boilermaker75]

True enough. The MAC is a much more fluid conference than the BIG --- no gargantuan programs that dominate recruiting and resources. A few key players can make or break MAC teams.

But, the reverse is also true. If Fleck has found a winning formula in the MAC he can certainly recruit his way to another rebuild.

Hazel had Dri Archer at Kent State, who he should be thanking profusely for his contract from Morgan.

 

[FirstDownB]

Hazel had Dri Archer at Kent State, who he should be thanking profusely for his contract from Morgan.

This is the risk. You have a couple more good years of track record with Fleck, but there are similarities. Kent's star players + competing in the MAC made it look like Hazell had a unique recipe for success. Substitute stoic nature for hair on fire. Substitute A Player's manual for Row the Boat.

I still think Fleck is a huge upgrade and his appeal should help with recruiting if he can get his first class off the ground and keep momentum, but there is a chance that 2-3 years down the line we will be making these comparisons and kicking MBob for getting duped.

 

[PaBoiler78]

This is the risk. You have a couple more good years of track record with Fleck, but there are similarities. Kent's star players + competing in the MAC made it look like Hazell had a unique recipe for success. Substitute stoic nature for hair on fire. Substitute A Player's manual for Row the Boat.

I still think Fleck is a huge upgrade and his appeal should help with recruiting if he can get his first class off the ground and keep momentum, but there is a chance that 2-3 years down the line we will be making these comparisons and kicking MBob for getting duped.

I see us being like a NW type team w/ Fleck, w/ Brohm it'll be an aerial circus like L Ville.

 

[Indy_Rider]

This is the risk. You have a couple more good years of track record with Fleck, but there are similarities. Kent's star players + competing in the MAC made it look like Hazell had a unique recipe for success. Substitute stoic nature for hair on fire. Substitute A Player's manual for Row the Boat.

I still think Fleck is a huge upgrade and his appeal should help with recruiting if he can get his first class off the ground and keep momentum, but there is a chance that 2-3 years down the line we will be making these comparisons and kicking MBob for getting duped.

Yeap, there is no real sure thing. I like Fleck's fire though and think he's worth the gamble because at least you know he's going to go down fighting instead of reviewing the tape trying to figure out what went wrong.