The Colts just fired their offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton. Purdue fans have been calling for Shoop to be fired all season long. Why doesn't Purdue make a move like the Colts did?
Colts have the guts, why doesn't Purdue
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NFL coaching changes happen in a different manner than NCAA football changes in a lot of cases.
In a situation where guys aren't pros, firing the coordinator mid season isn't always the right answer.
NFL personnel changes are apples to the NCAAs oranges.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...igson-survives-screw-up-another-day/75130104/
Grigson is the clown who recommended Hazell. See Indystar article about Grigson and Irsay.
Grigson is the clown who recommended Hazell. See Indystar article about Grigson and Irsay.
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Uhh...yeah...it's the Purdue guy who is to blame for the troubles of the Colts. Dear God, Grigson is so lucky that his team is in the most pathetic division in sports. They could go 6-10 and host a playoff game for cripes sake. But I will say that it's about time for Luck to be questioned. He's turnover prone...and the excuses can only go on for so long.
I think Chuck has been wanting to do this for a long time as Chuck didn't hire Pep, Grigson/Irsay did and forced Pep onto Chuck. There was always a bit of philosophy conflict between Pep and Chuck. Also Chudzinski was hired to be the next O-Coord as at one time they thought Pep would be leaving soon to become a head coach. Chudzinski and Chuck have more of a history and philosophical agreement.
So when the strength of your team is struggling and you already have the guy you want in that position on staff anyways, you now have the excuse to make the change you've been wanting to for awhile now.
So when the strength of your team is struggling and you already have the guy you want in that position on staff anyways, you now have the excuse to make the change you've been wanting to for awhile now.
Purdue hangs 55 on Nebraska and nobody pauses for a moment of silence when it comes to firing OC Shoop. Amazing.
The problem is that it's beyond that problem now.
The time to fix your offensive coordinator was after year 1 - or maybe year 2. Firing an offensive coordinator after year 3 is just completely reactionary and it's going to be incredibly difficult to replace that position with a lame duck coach.
This boils down to Hazell. Hazell had no desire to fire either coordinator after 2 seasons of complete failure. In fact, he has not fired a single assistant coach on his staff in his 2+ years while we have been at the bottom of the Big Ten in nearly every facet of the game.
Firing Shoop and replacing him with someone else is literally a bandaid on gunshot wound. Scapegoating someone is not going to change anything.
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I'm so tired of hearing "Nebraska" like it actually means anything. Nebraska is not good - they are 3-6 and will likely end the season 3-9 or 4-8 with their remaining schedule. Just because Nebraska is written on their uniform doesn't make it impressive that we scored points (and particularly that it's happened one time this season).
You are right. We played a very bad Nebraska team and won. Their QB made some terrible decisions and turned the ball over way too much. Not trying to take anything away from Purdue. Our wr's did make some nice catches.
And yes, I think the Colts should put the blame on Luck. Injured or not he is having a terrible season. He isn't getting the job done.
Grigson has had his hits and misses, but Hamilton's playcalling has been very suspect this year. Even the offensive line criticisms (which are somewhat well founded) disappeared when Hasselbeck was leading the team and they focused on short, quick passes and the running game. Hamilton's love for the 7 step drop and deep patterns has been as much to blame for passing protection failures as the line, itself.
As to Luck... I've never been one who has totally bought the hype, but I'll stick up for him a bit here. He's never been or going to be the second coming of Peyton Manning. He's more Favre-ian, in that he'll make several throws that make you scratch your head, and then redeem himself with a crazy completion. Luck takes more risks, and throws down the field pretty well (which is probably how Pep Hamilton fell in love with those deep patterns, in the first place). Add his propensity to "push it" and commit turnovers to any injury issues he has, plus the poor blocking (which, admittedly, has been an issue for his entire career), and that he's probably in a slump, and this is what you get. Manning looked like #$%! in 2001 (after Edgerrin James went down), and never looked back - it's entirely possible that something like that can happen to Luck.
Oh, and to relate this to Purdue's situation - they are a bit different in that the Colts are a professional organization to which $$$ means less, and they actually have a Pro-Bowl QB, RB, and WRs. Purdue has none of that going for them.
TL;DR - Hamilton was one of several issues, and is the low-hanging fruit; just because Grigson/Pagano have issues, doesn't leave him faultless. Luck's no Manning, but he's no Cutler, either - risky nature/turnover prone + weak line + injury + slump =
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Any W at this point means something. And two Ws in a row in the B1G even means something more. Nebraska has 4 losses to teams on their last offensive play, including a Wisconsin team that beat us handily. Do they suck compared to legacy Nebraska teams? Of course. But we don't start getting better until we start beating bad teams. And until last week, we weren't even doing that.
I'm a Luck homer but I agree he's having a terrible season. I still think there's something physical going on. And to provide some context, Peyton had a terrible 4th year too. I was living in Indy at the time and callers into sports talk radio were suggesting he should be traded. Instead they fired the coach and the Colts took off.
Way to point out Wisconsin...while ignoring they also lost to Illinois.
A loss is a loss. And we've had 1 "decent" showing against a bad team playing a walk-on QB that turned the ball over and over and over.
So one game of competence outweighs several games of incompetence?
Nebraska was fools gold.
If we lose this weekend, I'll agree with you. Fact of the matter is that Nebraska is 4 plays away from being 7-2. And we are one of only two teams to beat them comfortably. And not a single person on this board (myself included) was predicting a win before the game and if anyone suggested we'd hang 55 on them, we'd have laughed them off the internet. And yet now so many here are discounting the W as if it is was an automatic assumption we should be beat them. No one is suggesting we throw this team a parade. All I'm saying is we just won a game none of us expected us to win and had an exciting offense for a change as well. If people can't feel just a tinge of happiness about that, I don't know what to tell you. But I'll be even more happy if we beat another bad team this weekend. Two consecutive B1G wins for this program will the most positive news we've had in what feels like 5 years. And if we crap the bed and lose on Saturday? I'm back to being a deflated miserable Purdue fan. But I'm not going to let a 55-45 win over Nebraska get me down. Maybe that's just me.
Did their walk-on QB start those games, too?
You want to use Nebraska's entire season, yet only look at our one game vs. Nebraska. If you want to look at Nebraska as a whole, then look at Purdue as a whole.
Nobody is saying our win needs to get you down, but it's also not something to trumpet and celebrate either - let alone saves a coaches job.
Maybe I'm just a seasoned Purdue fan that has learned to expect the worst. I wasn't comfortable with the lead until the final whistle blew. If we hadn't gotten an INT after our failed bomb on 4th & 1...
So that's an interesting point. Do you think that win saved his job? It sounds like to me the administration decided he was coming back well before that, hence the building announcement. But I might be wrong.
And my final point on the backup QB. Yes he sucked. No he didn't play in their previous losses. His 4 INTs were: 1 terrible throw right to our guy, 1 terrible throw under pressure in the end zone that should've been incomplete but our guy made an incredible diving catch, and 2 good throws that we stole from their receivers. Just to think the sole reason we dropped 55 on NEB is because of a backup QB is downplaying a lot of effort on our part.
The building announcement came early because it was SO bad and there was a lot of heat. So they tried to put something positive out.
And yes, we didn't score a lot because of just a bad QB. If they had 1 or 2 INTs instead of 4, do I think we win? Probably not. We had 28 points off of those 4 INTs. But again, Nebraska is just not that good. In scoring defense and total defense, Nebraska is 10th in the Big Ten - giving up over 400 yards a game (within 10 yards of our defense to put it in perspective).
At the point of the announcement do you think they had already decided to keep DH? At the time, I thought it was a sign they were going to let him go (no effort was made to give him a vote of confidence for example). But I have a hard time believing they would've changed their mind just because we beat a bad Nebraska team.
I don't believe that anything is done. They are letting the season play out. There is no hurry to making an announcement right now.
