Coaching move of the game....
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The worst move was leaving PJ, Cline, and Mathias in there from about the 10 minute mark to the 3 minute mark. They missed every shot. If Carsen was in there I doubt that would of happened and I think Purdue could of pulled away
Easy to say so in hindsight. I would agree that we did better when we drove to the rim than when we took mostly jumpers.
Carsen Edwards: 5 - 11 (2-5 three) and 3 TO's
PJ: 2-4 (all from three) 4 assists and 0 TO's
Cline: 1-5 (0-2 three) 2 Reb 2 Ast 0 TO's
Mathias: 5-12 (2-5 three) 2 TO's
So looking at the numbers, tell me again who should have gotten the minutes?
Carsen over Cline is a no brainer. Better defender & better shooter last night. He's a freshman, he's going to make mistakes, but he more than makes up with it with the other things he does. I did like the fact that CMP had him in at the end of the game. He was also guarding OSU's final shot.
One thing is standing out is CMP has changed in regards to coaching for the better during the offseason. He has "fixed" mistakes he used to make and is making rather good adjustments overall this season.
Ironically, it happens when he added a stud frosh in CE. I don't know if there is any correlation, but I hope he keeps it up.
Ironically, it happens when he added a stud frosh in CE. I don't know if there is any correlation, but I hope he keeps it up.
Not making an argument in any direction, but in fairness, CE did have 5 reb (2 off, 3 def) last night as well.
I would argue that Cline is in fact the better defender right now in conference games. Going back to the Minnesota game, Carsen was frequently defending the same players as other guards/wings differently. This led to Carsen giving up a lot of easy buckets because he wasn't doing the same thing and what was expected in the scouting report (he was going under screens and leaving the bigs and other wings at a disadvantage when defending on ball screens).
If CMP felt that way, he would have had Cline in for the last 5 seconds. Not only was CE in, he was guarding the guy everyone knew was going to take the shot. I think that speaks volumes.
I think the discussion between you and JohnnyDoeBoiler is a little apple and oranges. IMO Carsen is a much better "on the ball defender" than Cline...maybe Purdue's best on ball for a guard. Cline has improved his D this year (still limited in quickness, but has size) and is a little more cerebral due to maturity than C.E. and may have a little edge in "off the ball D". With 5 seconds to go you would love to have someone turn the guy "one turn" and if not get out in front to slow him down a bit. Carsen is the quickest and best person to do that and was the right person to slow the ball just as Bryson Scott was before. Credit Matt, even if some missed it.
I am happy to see Cline driving some now...
i dont know how we go from a lights out 3 point team one half to cant spit in the ocean. iowa and now osu just for examples
I think Carsen certainly can be a better defender than Cline thanks to his superior athleticism. But Cline is a fundamentally better at this point.........because he is consistent and he has no other choice. He has to defend smarter and work harder than Carsen to overcome his physical weaknesses. When Carsen understands that great defense is shutting your man down, helping out, and playing team defense he will get most of the steals he's going after and become a great defender.......I think elite good. A stopper. But he has to want to be a great defender, great defense is about attitude.
I was surprised he was in at the end, to be honest. It also scared the hell out of me when he got so close to Lyle on the shot. Maybe he was just trying to get hands in his face........I hope he wasn't going for the block.......but it was too close for me. But he was in and Painter obviously trusted him, as 4Purdue said. That's why Painter makes millions and I watch the game from the couch.
I was surprised he was in at the end, to be honest. It also scared the hell out of me when he got so close to Lyle on the shot. Maybe he was just trying to get hands in his face........I hope he wasn't going for the block.......but it was too close for me. But he was in and Painter obviously trusted him, as 4Purdue said. That's why Painter makes millions and I watch the game from the couch.
I'm just glad people are arguing over who is the better defender: Cline or Carsen. Both were brought in as offensive specialists. I'm happy they are both working hard and becoming good defenders too.
Don't confuse people with facts!
Having coached for 12 years, hindsight is always pretty easy!
Your concerns are legit. He makes some high school plays on other great athletes. I do think he is a smart kid and does learn, but he even still gets in the air and commits and then looks to pass as well...and we know how fundamental that is. He almost turn it over on about two or three passes that were just deflected. He can be a difference maker and we all knew he would have a learning curve. I do think Cline is much farther ahead defensively than last year and is now starting to compliment his 3 pt shot with driving the ball like he did in high school. Your concerns were manifested early in the game when Cam Williams went up for a three and hit it with Carsen fouling him and so your concerns were justified.
I even heard Painter tell them before going in to miss every shot they took! Insane!
Going OT, but speaking of coaches icing players on the line, Tim Miles might have accidentally done that to his guard Evan Taylor last night. Nebraska and Iowa were tied at 75 with a few seconds left in regulation when Taylor was fouled. He missed the first and then a time-out was called, by Tim Miles! I know he probably wanted to set up a defensive approach on Iowa's last second heave but Taylor might have made that second free-throw if Miles would have just let it be. Anyway, Nebraska pulled out the W in double-overtime but I was just laughing for a moment because that decision looked like it was going to go down as a very bad one by Miles.
None of the above? Our guards hit 50% we are darn near unbeatable. Average when they don't. Sad thing is these are mostly standstill straight up good looks. None can consistently create shots off the dribble. Offensive boards saved us.
Carsen can consistently create shots off-the-dribble. He and Vince are the two best players (in that order) off-the-dribble on the team. The rest of their teammates (outside of Haas) can do it on occasion.
I was watching that also. I'm pretty sure Fran called the TO, which again , I thought was great coaching.
If you actually watched the game Mathias had most of his points early. Sure Carsen has some TOs but he makes stuff happen on offense. I'm not saying all those guys need benched that lineup just wasn't working for that stretch.
That was a fun game to watch. I also thought that Iowa called the timeout when it was tied at 74 (not 75). The play-by-play listed on the ESPN site confirms it was an Iowa timeout.
So far, Nebraska is the surprise team of the conference this year.
