If Matt Painter is worth his salt, he needs to sit Carsen's butt on the bench when he continues to take bad and hurried shots. The cake was when he attempts to showboat a dunk when he had a simple layup. That shot alone may have cost us the game. It certainly cost momentum.
Carsen Edwards the New Ronnie Johnson?
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A guy on here who actually knows what he's talking about! And he's from Wisconsin lol. The place where coaches actually coach and they win big games because of it.
Matt seems to have a longer leash than Gene did for some of his players. Always has. I thought Carsen should have sat a lot more the last 2 games. He was on the bench late in the 2nd half yesterday at a critical time. However, this team is going to go as the Edwards go. They both need to start playing smarter.
CE is our most talented player. Unfortunately he is also our biggest wild card. He will learn, sometimes the hard way. Painter needs to get him under control but so do the seniors. They should be in his ear during the game when he begins to go the wrong direction. He is our best athlete and can get his shot when he wants it. He has the physical tools, he just needs the 6 inches between his ears reprogramed a bit.
Everyone liking the OPs post, as well as the OP, has the same IP address. Coincidence?
Wrong. CE is the most talented player on the roster.
You’re just not used to seeing a Purdue guard do more than stand around the perimeter and dump the ball inside.
You’re just not used to seeing a Purdue guard do more than stand around the perimeter and dump the ball inside.
Talent without discipline only goes so far. His "talent" killed us yesterday. Would like for him to have stood around a little more on offense, learn to pass the ball (he can, when he wants to, and can make good passes). He needs to fine tune his "talent" on defense more than his offense.
I know Carsen can pass. But no one was doing anything. Even though his shots were rushed, at least he was trying. Love this senior class, but a backcourt of Carsen and Nojel will be a big, literally, change.
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Carsen is 10 times the player RJ was, so just stop it already. Carsen needs to tweak things at times but I think he is still learning and will start playing better and smarter as the season goes along. We need him as a key player for this team if we are going to do great things later in the year.
Tricky thing with Carsen is that his aggressiveness should probably be determined by a few factors. How well he is going (like tonight compared to the prior games), how well his teammates are going (is Mathias scoring? Are we getting the ball into the post and scoring efficiently there? Vince being aggressive? Etc.), and game situation (like being aggressive early tonight compared to late when we had a big lead with time dwindling).
I think the more experience he gets as one of our top scoring options the better he will get at determining an ideal level for himself. Tonight it was clearly warranted as he was on in the first half in particular.
I think the more experience he gets as one of our top scoring options the better he will get at determining an ideal level for himself. Tonight it was clearly warranted as he was on in the first half in particular.
These were very good takes.
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Painter can’t win in this situation. He just has to coach his way. There has been a large contingent that has bashed Painter for not being able to recruit talented guards due to pulling them too quick when they make a mistake. Painter has adjusted and let them play through errors the last few years. Call me on it if I’m wrong, but Carsen is only 7 games into year two isn’t he??
Don't need to stop anything re productive criticism. A good coach will mold his talent into a smarter player. Painter spoke to this following the W. KY loss. My point is that you cannot just allow a player to do his own thing to the detriment of the team (like R. J used to be allowed to do). Worked out much better obviously against AZ. Carsen hit his shots and played better within the system. The more talented a guy is the more coached up he needs to be to reach his potential. Any coach knows that. I love C.E. when he plays within himself. No doubt he has the highest ceiling on the team.
Yep. CE played hard at both ends of the floor against UA. That's when you know he is engaged.
Agree. CE will play in the NBA, Ronnie couldn’t play at Auburn. No comparison.
Hey WB - I get what you were trying to get at. There has just been other posts in the past on here that tried to compare RJ and Carsen saying their stats for their freshman seasons were the same and a bunch of other inaccuracies. I took the OP to task on it and showed that Carsen stats were in fact much better than RJ's. So anyone that makes their headline the comparison of the two hits a nerve for me and is really losing credibility from the get go and furthermore (nothing personal against Ronnie) but comparing the two is a major insult to CE. Is Carsen above criticism? - I would say no - nobody is perfect - but he has way more upside than he is getting credit for and IMO is light years ahead of RJ.
Agree with you regarding Carson's upside. My point is really more to Painter's coaching of CE. The comparison is remembering Painter's inability to control RJ from trying to take over the court all by himself. No doubt CE has that ability, but he must be coached to learn the discipline of working within the team, especially when his shots are not falling. I am all in for CE to be successful. Just want to see better management of the talent. After the AZ game, this post does not seem relevant. Following those first two losses in the Bahamas, I believe that it was.
Painter trying to 'control' is guards is one of the reason's he's had trouble recruiting great guards. Guards like CE who have the talent to play in the NBA have to be given a ton of rope. You have to take the good with the bad and hope he develops into more good.
I disagree. Brunson is a sure fire NBA prospect, Carsen is not. There is a huge difference between giving someone rope and hoping for the best, and giving them leeway because they are likely going to make the correct decisions. As for the reasons for Painter not landing elite guards, well, that has little to do with having a short leash.
I get pretty tired of people on here bashing former players. Referring to the OP title. Ronnie had a pretty good Freshman year, he played really good D and shut Yogi down. Don't trash a kid because he took some really bad advice from his dad, who he was probably trying to rebuild a relationship with.
I feel like Painter has given Carsen plenty of slack and good constructive criticism while letting him play on. He also seems to be quite a bit better than the alternatives that could replace him which may be part of the reason why.
Are you talking about Vincent? Pretty sure Vincent has more airballs from 3 point range and I sometimes think that he is shooting with a 10 lb medicine ball out there.
CE is the best guard PU has had in the last 25 years not named Etwaun Moore. Is he going to make some poor choices and mistakes, yes, absolutely. But that's to be expected from the guy who is handling the ball the most and creating shots for himself and others.
Watch Ferrel from ND. Very similar player and style, but also someone who can take over a game and win for you.
Again, PU fans are so used to see a guard who isn't a 'score first' player that people get all twisted up when he makes a few questionable plays.
Totally agree. And quite honestly the dunk attempt that fans seem to be upset about could have been a momentum game changer had he made it. College basketball is no longer the Bob Knight motion offense style of play. It's put the ball in your best guards hands and let them make plays. Every team that has won National Titles the past 10 years has had guards that play like Carsen....aggressive and unafraid to make mistakes. Carsen has shown Painter in practice that he can light it up and reel off 12 points in 2 minutes...therefore Painter gives him a longer leash in games.
The only thing that needs to change is Painter needs to put him in situations that gets him going to the rim more so he's not depending so much on outside shots. Carsen is the type of player that should be shooting 10 free throws/game. He's also very good at driving and dishing.
"Carsen is the best guard Purdue has had in 25 years not named Etwaun Moore"
>I'll agree he is the best scorer since Moore, but there is a lot more to basketball than scoring, and efficiency matters. That being said, Moore is the only Purdue guard in the NBA, and we should refrain from preemptively anointing a player as a surefire NBA prospect (this applies to Haas and Vince as well, IMHKO).
"But that's to be expected from the guy who is handling the ball the most and creating shots for himself and others."
>First off, PJ and Eastern have the ball on their hands the most, but really all players share a large portion of responsibility for ball handling in Painter's motion offense. I think by the time CE is an upperclassman he is going to be much improved in his decision making, and he already seems better this year than last. Purdue needs him to score and make good decisions in order to win, but sometimes letting kids play through mistakes can be viewed as permitting them. In other words, Carsen should be allowed to make mistakes, but if he makes multiple in a row, or compounds them, then he should sit for a short time afterward.
No, I think they went down and scored a layup, cause I was thinking, "clearly a devastating 4 point swing".
Dude, I know, right? And the thing that blows my mind is that it is always the regular posters who continue to humor the trolls. Mods need to take out the trash, Especially with respect to the Eastern bashing. I can't believe they have allowed ANOTHER troll thread to start tonight and stay up.
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