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Camden heide to transfer portal

Technically sure, but he was just filling in for Jacobsen. And between Jacobsen and Cluff we're more than well equipped for Furst's departure. I meant Smith, Loyer or TKR leaving
Thus why I worded it how I did. I knew what you meant.

But I love kids like Furst. Good kid, working toward a higher academic goal, gave it his all, ect. I am proud my alma matter attracts kids like Furst.

Furst might not win us a national championship, but he will be a winner at life, and I can always root for a kid like that.
 
I said stubborn might be the wrong word. I think the fact that he's at least partially resistant to change is proven solely by a 6 man freshman class he signed in a year we were graduating one senior, and no portal players when again, we had one senior.

I also said I fully expected him to adapt to this, now that we've had our first "major" departures. It's easy to remain stuck in your ways when your team stays and gives you some confirmation bias.

I feel like you're reading too much into what I said, because I'm not even arguing against you. It's obvious that Painter see things a different way. It's obvious he's resisted the idea that the portal should be a major tool for the program up to this point. Continuing to "see things a different way" despite a rapidly changing environment around you, is a tad....something. Maybe not stubborn. But something.
something fits ;)
 
Pencil to paper:
Smith
Cox
Loyer
TKR
Cluff
Jacobsen
Harris
Benter
Burgess
---- We play 8 most of the time. - I'll take those 8 to the final four.
Yes, that is a good team as is, but if they get another that fills another need...it makes them even better
 
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That is not the issue. Of course he does. The issue was the statement that it was "obvious" to Matt and he refused to do the "obvious" thing that would no longer hinder him. That is not true. Right or wrong, Matt does not share the same beliefs of those that think he would not try to have the best team he could due to him being afraid of changing paths and seeing things the way someone else does. I don't believe that. Matt busts his butt as do all the coaches to field the best team possible and if he chooses to do something other than another it goes back to what he believes which then can be debated...not that he refuses to have the best team due to being stubborn . It just seems so illogical to think he doesn't want to help himself
I'm pretty sure that person would say they meant it "should" have been obvious and now that it is obvious he's doing it. No one says he is refusing to have the best team because he is being stubborn, sometimes, just like everyone in the history of humanity, he gets stubborn about some stuff and it takes him a minute.
 
I'm pretty sure that person would say they meant it "should" have been obvious and now that it is obvious he's doing it. No one says he is refusing to have the best team because he is being stubborn, sometimes, just like everyone in the history of humanity, he gets stubborn about some stuff and it takes him a minute.
I just think coaches disagree amongst themselves on some things as do fans as well as fans and coaches. Sometimes there are things considered that may not be obvious to others. It doesn't really matter as Matt will do what Matt thinks is best and if he starts to think something else is best he will do that. One could argue the good and bad with giving to much to the asst coaches or a variety of things.
 
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I just think coaches disagree amongst themselves on some things as do fans as well as fans and coaches. Sometimes there are things considered that may not be obvious to others. It doesn't really matter as Matt will do what Matt thinks is best and if he starts to think something else is best he will do that. One could argue the good and bad with giving to much to the asst coaches or a variety of things.
It's a little amazing to me. When people said Matt should use the portal more it was Matt knows what he's doing, it's a culture, you don't know what you are talking about.

Guess what...it was something he was stubborn on that a lot of folks saw that it took him a minute to see. To his credit, his eyes seem open now. But pointing out that maybe staying old school in the current environment was like trying to draw to an inside straight was correct.
 
That’s like a Colts fan being mad back in 2005 that we resigned Peyton, Marvin and Freeney, but had to let Mike Petersen and Edgerrin James go in free agency and draft rookies to take their spots…
People get invested here in "old school" because it's a very conservative fan base. So it's not surprising some of them get in their feelings that a kid might prefer starting (and or getting better money) somewhere else than being a role player here.
 
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People get invested here in "old school" because it's a very conservative fan base. So it's not surprising some of them get in their feelings that a kid might prefer starting (and or getting better money) somewhere else than being a role player here.
I get that. It’s fun watching good kids develop over 3-4 years.

For example: I can’t name 5 Purdue football players right now. I’m not sure if I’ll be following much longer if the whole team turns over every year.
 
I get that. It’s fun watching good kids develop over 3-4 years.

For example: I can’t name 5 Purdue football players right now. I’m not sure if I’ll be following much longer if the whole team turns over every year.
If the team plays well then great, if they don't then bad. Same as it ever was.
 
worst part is we just lost our 2 most athletic players. Hopefully we can find 1-2 portal players to replace the lost athleticism. That is my concern-
Athletic, for sure. But watching them playing the basketball more than not throughout the season, that had been so painful.
For example, only players moving while Braden was attacking Houston, were TKR and Loyer.
MC and CH were just standing still on the right corner (albeit the great corner 3 by CH..)
Time and again, those were the scene. Not great for Motion offense.

Whoever is/are coming in likely be contributing lot more in more ways in Offense and Defense.
Reasons that these two are leaving may be they know something that we are guessing.
And our guesses are touching the realities in Painter's game going forward.

If and when core 3 move on, that is what it is for CBB. Hopefully, they stay.

Boiler Up!!
 
Maybe look up what a straw man argument is instead of just trying to throw out buzz words to feign intelligence, and you’ll see that it’s exactly what you’re doing. My point is that these guys aren’t just following a bag (and to insinuate that is dumb) but are leaving in search of more playing time.
the other day Mike Miller a former 4 star recruit at Creighton and mostly a player off the bench signed w/ Murray St
 
People get invested here in "old school" because it's a very conservative fan base. So it's not surprising some of them get in their feelings that a kid might prefer starting (and or getting better money) somewhere else than being a role player here.
Many of us just like the way it used to be when players came for the school and an education and were blessed to play a sport. Now kids don't give two chits about that.
 
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I kind of don’t get it. How much more money is he really going to get elsewhere? He just played in the national championship game last year and logged 31, 15, and 24 minutes in 3 tournament games this year almost making it to the elite 8 where you were one of the key players. You’ll be coming back next year playing for one of the top 5 Xs and Os coaches in the nation on a team that will pre-season ranked in the top 10 at least.

Why are you playing college basketball in the first place if you don’t want to be part of something like this?????
KIND of don't get it? It's cray cray.
Golden opportunity for someone that can see that writing on the wall.
 
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If it’s not about money but opportunity, what is a better opportunity than coming back and finishing what you started with your “brothers” in that “family in the locker room” and playing for a team at the highest level competing for a national championship? Money talks, bullshit walks.
Ya I laugh when I hear the players interviews and they say how much they love their brothers . While that may be true they can also live another locker room if the price is right
 
Why is the first reaction always “money talks”? There is no indication that any of these guys are just chasing a bag. None of our portal entrants were starters. How about “playing time talks” or “being a starter talks”? Guys want to go where they can get minutes to showcase their talents. No one is poaching any of our current portal guys away from Purdue for a huge sum of money.
I wonder if teams have contacted Heide & Colvin, with more money offered than what Purdue was giving each.
 
Many of us just like the way it used to be when players came for the school and an education and were blessed to play a sport. Now kids don't give two chits about that.
Soooo...you wanted them to subsume their goals for your favorite team goals and they're not so willing to do that anymore.
 
Ya I laugh when I hear the players interviews and they say how much they love their brothers . While that may be true they can also live another locker room if the price is right
Yep, just like coaches, AD's and administrators can leave if they think a different school is better for them. All of us would feel differently if that was our kid wanting a different opportunity. Our views are jaded because we are fans of this team and that's all we care about.
 
So you are saying that Cam knew something that we don’t know yet? Like Berg on Sunday?
Ripple effect from Painters one on ones. Do the math there are few minutes to go around 200 minutes per BS -40=160 TKR-31 = 129 Fletch -31 = 98 Cluff/Daniel -40=48 Cox/Harris-35=13 minutes remaining for Benter, West and Burgess If they are splitting 13 minutes, they may exit next year. Cam and Myles ate up 38 minutes per producing 10 pts and 6 rbs. Huge upside for both. Hearing Cluff got close to 1 million for his last year clearly, we are in it to win it. With more transfers coming, I think Cam and Myles couldn't risk it.
 
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Ripple effect from Painters one on ones. Do the math there are few minutes to go around 200 minutes per BS -40=160 TKR-31 = 129 Fletch -31 = 98 Cluff/Daniel -40=48 Cox/Harris-35=13 minutes remaining for Benter, West and Burgess If they are splitting 13 minutes, they may exit next year. Cam and Myles ate up 38 minutes per producing 10 pts and 6 rbs. Huge upside for both. Hearing Cluff got close to 1 million for his last year clearly, we are in it to win it. With more transfers coming, I think Cam and Myles couldn't risk it.
I think CMP would like to see less min for BS… maybe 35. I’m also not sold that Fletch will get that many again.
 
Ripple effect from Painters one on ones. Do the math there are few minutes to go around 200 minutes per BS -40=160 TKR-31 = 129 Fletch -31 = 98 Cluff/Daniel -40=48 Cox/Harris-35=13 minutes remaining for Benter, West and Burgess If they are splitting 13 minutes, they may exit next year. Cam and Myles ate up 38 minutes per producing 10 pts and 6 rbs. Huge upside for both. Hearing Cluff got close to 1 million for his last year clearly, we are in it to win it. With more transfers coming, I think Cam and Myles couldn't risk it.
You are missing 10 minutes going from 98 to 48, but I get your point. I saw Cam getting close to 20, but that assumed no other additions.
 
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Roster has taken a huge hit with the departure of both Colvin and Heidi…hello Catchings. Playing time is now available for Catchings. So much for FF4 contender…too much lost…no bench strength now. Looking for a new interest during winter…College sports suck big-time!
A huge hit??? They were the inconsistent links of the chain to this year's team. Everyone talked about Purdue's big three this year but the fact is that players 4 through 7, not counting the freshman, didn't consistently show up....
 
A huge hit??? They were the inconsistent links of the chain to this year's team. Everyone talked about Purdue's big three this year but the fact is that players 4 through 7, not counting the freshman, didn't consistently show up....
You're not wrong...we liked the athletic ability and some flashes of decent play, but couldn't count on consistent production from them.
 
Who guards a 6'8" athletic wing?
That's why we need a flex4-3 to cover that issue and Cam would have been that guy.

Unfortunately, we need to move forward and get a replacement for Cam. He'll need to defend well and also score when the opportunity is there. I believe our rebounding issues will look better next year with the roster we have.
 
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