Since when was Bob Kravitz an authority on anything other than stirring the pot? He's a commentator who gets paid to give controversial opinions about things he doesn't understand. Don't forget, he also announced that Swanigan was heading to the NBA.
Burke being Burke
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Were you lying then, or are you lying now? You like to play things both ways. And you certainly have been "stretching the truth" about people on this board. You should apologize.
While easy to understand the basis of the extension, the timing still warrants examination (and potentially questioning). Did Carsen Edwards not realize that Painter's contract was set to expire before he potentially finished his playing career at Purdue? Did Morgan suddenly realize the situation himself? The reason for the extension aside (never mind whether it was warranted), the timing was ill-advised...and had nothing to do with setting up the next AD...Burke's ego alone eliminates even that concern.Reading your post, I had a hard time separating what was part of the radio program (intended to be controversial), and what is your opinion. It is pretty simple to understand the extension. I think that has been beat near-to-death in this thread. Burke isn't going to give anyone a "parting gift". He is setting up the next AD with the right situation. As someone said in another post, the men's basketball program is the least of the new AD's concerns.
As for what I take is your opinion: "Fact - Painter is mediocre". You will note that it is your OPINION and not a FACT. I guess we will need to agree to disagree. In 11 years, Painter has had something like 4 top 20 teams, one or two of those were top 10. That is far from mediocre. I agree that he has not done as well in the NCAA's as we all would like, but I firmly believe he is on the right track to get there, but hey, that is just my opinion.
While in agreement with your general opinion on the matter, bringing Kravitz into the discussion does not help really in any way...he is as removed from Purdue athletics as any individual in his industry that even remotely covers Purdue (as he allegedly does) possibly could be. His not understanding it hardly is support for questioning it...as someone else suggested, he likes to stir things up and he loves to stir things up if they involve Purdue at all. I think everybody understands it...and if he (and JMV) does/do not, then he is more dim than I believe and JMV is completely out of touch as well.
I wholeheartedly agree that Burke should not be the one offering extensions on his way out...never mind that it does not look good on the surface, but he has already botched up enough things during his reign that he need not be involved really in any personnel decisions at this point knowing that he is on his way out.
And this was my point, in case it wasn't clear. I understand the angst over what Burke has done, but Kravitz has made his name with his mouth and his word processor, not his brain. He is far from a luminary in the field of sports management.
As I said before, the decision to extend the contract has no real downside. For recruits that are considering Purdue because of Painter, it shows that the program is stable. If the new AD comes in and doesn't want MP to be coach, there will be a new coach. Happens all the time.
I don't see any new AD risking losing the majority of the fan base by appeasing a few malcontents and dismissing Painter.
If it was the new AD, I'd feel slightly better. But the fact that the incompetent Burke did it makes it that much worse. Plus the fan base isn't going away. If they are content with Painter's one and done outcome, they would be content with almost anyone.
Exactly. And frankly if it gets those vocal minority in this much of a tizzy over it, it most certainly was the right decision to make. One of the few Burke has done ironically.
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Carson Edwards committed 2 years before the date when Morgan Burke's resignation will be effective. As an example, it doesn't prove that the lack of an extension would remain a non-factor (assuming it wasn't a consideration for Edwards) for the subsequent two years.
Assuming that the extension was warranted, but the timing was ill-advised, when do you suggest that the extension should have been granted? The critical months for recruiting the 2017 class are between now and November. You certainly aren't suggesting that it should have been the new AD's first order of business in August of 2017?
Yea if you don't understand that this was all about recruiting by now then you are pretty much an idiot.
Morgan Burke's "resignation" date has absolutely nothing to do with anything regarding recruiting and subsequent commitments.
Painter's contract end date was known...it is not as if this suddenly popped up...if the basis of the extension is that it was needed for recruiting purposes, then how in the world did Carsen Edwards miss that? That was the point.
As far as the date for which it should have been done, if it were being done, it should have been done a year ago before the AD became a lame duck AD...and, the new AD should be in place already, never mind long before August of 2017...another case where substandard performance was rewarded and foresight was sorely lacking.
I get what you're trying to say......but it probably says more about Carsen Edwards than anything to me.....and his thoughts about CMP......and I mean in a good way......looking forward to seeing him play.
Just to be clear, you're saying the fan base is content with the one and dones because we support Painter?
The "majority" of the fanbase wouldn't be "lost". Get real. Also, there are more than a "few" Painter malcontents.
No there isn't. It's a minority. Fact. Just stop already. You clearly have zero basketball knowledge and are nothing but a mockery on here.
Clearly to the wannabe experts, the two things are not mutually exclusive no matter how many times you tell them.
I doubt a lame duck AD is spending anything without board approval. The timing is exactly right. We are attempting to sign one of the biggest classes I can remember in the last 35 years. You can't expect that to go well with an unsecured head coaching position. Waiting as you suggest would be to guarantee a failed program. At least now he has a fighting chance.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the original timeline for the extension but Burke was hesitant to pull the trigger based on the poor results from 2012-14. Pretty typical to extend a coach at least 2 years once he's entering the last 4 years of his contract ... takes pressure off the next two recruiting cycles and then you re-evaluate every other year.
Might also be why it was extended 3 vs. 2 ... so it's back to that 6 year timeframe.
As for Edwards ... I'm actually wondering if he's the only one that wasn't scared away. We did only have one commit with 4 open scholarships. Maybe the lack of job security was more of an issue than made public?
Again, it is not as if this came as a surprise to anyone...or at least it should not have...everybody knew when his contract expired...if the need for him to have an extension in order to be able to recruit was so overwhelming, then why did it not happen last year when the situation was the exact same?
As for signing one of the biggest classes...that was due to past recruiting failures...no way it is by design, as it is a horrible situation to be in (that was compounded by the contract situation).
What if Painter comes up empty with the '17 class (highly unlikely, but just for the sake of conversation, consider the possibility)? Then, you have a guy under contract for 6 more years that is in desperation mode and scrambling like never before.
Had Painter received a 2-year extension a year ago, with an improved buyout, how does that not accomplish the same thing that was accomplished, while not having a potential significant financial impact for Burke's successor? Never mind, it does not have the appearance of it being a parting gift by Burke. Better yet, why not have had a plan in place to replace Burke as AD that would have prevented the entire lame duck situation?
There was no need for Painter to have been extended so that he has six years remaining...and, if the extension does not include a clause that reduces the buyout, then it was not only poor timing...but beyond ill-advised...especially by a lame duck AD.
It is not a Burke matter though...there is no way that Burke is making that type of decision at this point in his tenure...he was already informed that he would not be hiring the next football coach, and there is no way that his alleged hesitancy to pull the trigger is what created the situation that resulted in him being extended now opposed to a year ago.
Painter has created a situation for himself where he absolutely has to hit big in '17 and '18, as the roster is so top heavy...it is simply too difficult to maintain the imbalance that there is presently on a consistent basis and have sustained success.
I agree that a year ago may have been better timing but we are here today. Not creating an extension NOW would be disasteros.
Regarding what ifs...if Painter fails with this class things will be bad. Yep. If painter brings in five top ten players things will be good. Neither is likely so what is the point of speculating, especially since the terms of a buyout are unknown?
buyout this summer was at $7.35M, next summer would have been $4.92M.
if wording would happen to not change, next year becomes $14M+.
should be confirmed by the end of august.
That would have required Morgue to be proactive and aggressive- that's
not his thing.
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And if that is the case, then Burke did not do his successor any favor(s) at all, and it indeed was an extremely generous parting gift.
I'm not talking myself into settling for mediocrity. I'm talking myself into reality. Would all of us (Purdue fans) love to see Purdue become a blue-blood program like Duke, MSU, UK, etc? Of course. But I also understand that the possibility of that happening are very slim. And although we have a rich history of basketball, there are only a few schools in the NATION that can year in, year out, compete for a national title. We are not one of them at this time, and IMO, Painter is not the problem. It's this university in today's society, and there's nothing wrong with that. Top recruits nowadays want to have fun, the flashy school with "cool" uniforms, "hot" girls everywhere, places to party and have fun while their academics take a back seat. They want the easy road. Purdue is not easy. You earn your time at Purdue, you sweat, you bleed, you puke during practice. To me, that is love. But I'm a blue-collared guy. I grew up in the generation where you work hard to get what you want. If you want to be the best, you better train better than the best. But in today's society, kids want handouts. They want the easy road. Why bust your a$$, induce pain everyday willingly, just to play basketball on a top 25 team, when you can not work as hard and play on a top 5 blue-blood program?
It's the same thing in the NBA now. See Lebron and KDs decision. Michael Jordan would've never done that. Reggie Miller. Patrick Ewing. Hakeem Olajuwon. The list goes on and on. And it doesn't make them a bad person. Just makes them a weak person IMO, mentally. They can't take the pain required to win by on their own terms. They need help from other great players.
Sorry, veered off a little bit, as usual!
Fact is you're an effin moron. Just stop posting here and embarrassing yourself you flaming douche bag.
You're either a child or have an extremely low IQ, possibly some mental issues. Either way, I won't exchange insults with you. I've never seen a constructive argument from you, just hyperbole and child like reactions. Nothing in all of your posts makes a coherent argument... just childish name calling.
I noticed you stopped posting for a while. How about you take another break, preferably a long one? I think most would agree you don't bring much to the table besides lame putdowns to people who don't share your views.
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I bring reality to those that run their mouth based off of emotion. I guarantee I have brought more to this forum in my short time here than you have ever.
Don't like it? Tough. Not my problem you and the others can't handle the reality that your emotional and baseless opinions are so wrong.
Typical. I have often given counter arguments to you and others on here when you go on your emotional rants and all you do is deflect and make posts like this. Truly shows I am right about you and all the others that whine on here day in and day out.
I'm just fed up with you twitts claiming to have some major basketball knowledge when the fact is you probably can't dribble a ball twice without falling down. You come on here all high and mighty thinking you know it all and you don't. You rag on Painter with unfounded garbage and think somehow you know whats best for the school, yet if you were held to the same stipulations at your day job, you'd whine about unrealistic expectations. That much I can guarantee.
You, nag or AKA whiney mcwhineface and all the others like you are the same. Every single one of your failed opinions are based off of emotion and not even close to reality.
If I read correctly, cmp's buyout today would now be about 16.65M (decreasing 1 years pay at the conclusion of each year like before). If painter chose to leave, his portion is now greater as expected.
https://purdue.rivals.com/news/matt-painter-s-contract-extension-now-official
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