Bucket Game at the Luke on Turkey Weekend
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dude, you wrote what you wrote.
What you wrote was uncalled for, and way out of bounds.
Diversion? Are you serious? I started this thread talking about the site of the Old Oaken Bucket Game. You hijacked to: " I work for a large company where the CEO doesnt handle minutia (yes, this is minutia). You havent worked in a large company have you?"
That was in response to your army comment. That you failed to see the parallel is not surprising
Sometimes when management won't take out the trash you just have to resort to the ignore feature.
Re-read this thread starting from the top. The rudeness began with Stout1, not me.
No, my post was quite appropriate. And others are indeed to be blamed for initiating the nastiness into the thread.
He mentioned the email and that he agrees with the idea on Query and Schultz.
Daniels is a big fan of it. I am not.
The first thing normally pointed to is saying attendance has sucked but that's because we have sucked big time and IU fans do not give 3 craps about football, and likely never will.
Since moving to the model of playing on Turkey Day weekend we've had exactly 1 game where Purdue had a bowl game on the line, Marve's senior year. I was there, it was a fun atmosphere, and I get we got around 46k, and that was for a team that was a huge disappointment given early preseason expectations (both OSU and PSU were in eligible to win the Leaders division, we just had to beat Wisc. Yea HA!), were 3-6 at one point, and then won 3 in a row.
Before we blow up having it be at the campuses on Turkey Day Saturday, I say let's let it ride with a few years of Brohm turning things around.
As already mentioned, 2 big obstacles are the IHSAA plays 6 championship games between Fri and Sat and LOS/Irsay would have to want to give a bunch of money back to the schools, that the Colts currently gain contractually. I suppose you could block off the weekend from NFL home games and the IHSAA could play Fri and Sun, but that seems silly.
Since moving to the model of playing on Turkey Day weekend we've had exactly 1 game where Purdue had a bowl game on the line, Marve's senior year. I was there, it was a fun atmosphere, and I get we got around 46k, and that was for a team that was a huge disappointment given early preseason expectations (both OSU and PSU were in eligible to win the Leaders division, we just had to beat Wisc. Yea HA!), were 3-6 at one point, and then won 3 in a row.
Before we blow up having it be at the campuses on Turkey Day Saturday, I say let's let it ride with a few years of Brohm turning things around.
As already mentioned, 2 big obstacles are the IHSAA plays 6 championship games between Fri and Sat and LOS/Irsay would have to want to give a bunch of money back to the schools, that the Colts currently gain contractually. I suppose you could block off the weekend from NFL home games and the IHSAA could play Fri and Sun, but that seems silly.
I've heard them wanting to move the game to earlier, like Okie St-OU did with Bedlam. I also don't like this. Rivalry games should end the season. It always gives you something to play for even in the worst of seasons, as was the case last year when we should have won in Gloomington.
If anything, I'd say petition the NCAA to let us start a week earlier (we already had a bunch of non-Hawaii games do so this year) and we can play our super crappy MAC or 1-AA opponent the last weekend in August, and then IU and Purdue both take a 2nd bye Turkey Day weekend. It wouldn't affect anything in the standings. A lot of the SEC finishes conf play the weekend before Turkey Day with many non-conf games being a main rivalry (UGA-Ga Tech, SC-Clem, Fla-FSU, some years UK-Lou), so most often the East division race is decided early by the 2nd week in Nov (and this year it's already been decided the East is such a joke sans UGA.)
If anything, I'd say petition the NCAA to let us start a week earlier (we already had a bunch of non-Hawaii games do so this year) and we can play our super crappy MAC or 1-AA opponent the last weekend in August, and then IU and Purdue both take a 2nd bye Turkey Day weekend. It wouldn't affect anything in the standings. A lot of the SEC finishes conf play the weekend before Turkey Day with many non-conf games being a main rivalry (UGA-Ga Tech, SC-Clem, Fla-FSU, some years UK-Lou), so most often the East division race is decided early by the 2nd week in Nov (and this year it's already been decided the East is such a joke sans UGA.)
While in general I agree, IIRC walk up sales were pretty strong in 2012 which is the 1 year since Tiller's retirement we had something but Bucket pride on the line at Ross-Ade, so truly it's been 11 years (man how disgusting it is to type that sentence....hopefully we can win in Chicago on Saturday and change that from now on.)
ya daniels was proposing the game to be played in Indy back in 2015 too.
maybe once in awhile, but I wouldn't prefer it every year
maybe once in awhile, but I wouldn't prefer it every year
I received a response from president@purdue.edu and have copied and pasted it below, verbatim except I've changed my first name to Boris. Call me gullible but this doesn't sound like a polite form response from his email reading assistant.
Dear Boris,
EXACTLY! I’ve been trying to sell IU on exactly the same idea for four years. I’ll keep trying, and hope you will too.
Best wishes,
Mitch
It's been a few years but I've received an email back before. Got a phone call one other time too. I don't know if he reads and replies to all but he does some. Congrats.
We now know that Daniels has already proposed moving the Bucket game to Indy and he continues to support it. We also know that IU is opposed to the idea. I wonder why?
Agreed totally-- why would you want to surrender your home field atmosphere and campus for what is usually the most important game of the year for both schools??
Both Purdue and IU have invested millions into their football facilities and game day atmosphere -- why throw all that out for the biggest game of the season? Also,local hotels and business depend on the revenue generated, and they'd take a big hit.
All wisecracks aside, both West Lafayette and Bloomington are cool college towns ... I'd much rather witness a Purdue Bucket win there than in a sterile, corporate NFL playpen.
A rinky-dink kiosk in an NFL stadium concourse is a lame way to market a great school like Purdue... pamphlets and brochures don't come close to doing justice to how impressive Purdue has become--
Take a look at the actual attendance at Ross-Ade in a couple of weeks. That will answer your question.
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No- it doesn't at all. You honestly believe Hazell's crap fest teams would have won the bucket game at a neutral site???
As it was stated at the top of the thread, WINNING- not gimmicks- is what spurs attendance.
IMO it's asinine to spend millions to improve the stadium then turn around and NOT EVEN USE it, when you need it the most!
I'm a Purdue alum, not a Lucas oil alum... I love visiting my cherished haunts and walking the campus-- win or lose... Beating iu in Ross-Ade or B-ton is infinitely more satisfying than some bogus Indy hype-fest.
I would venture to say a neutral site game would become very non-neutral and there would be tons of black and gold and not much cream and crimson there in Indy....which is typically a hotbed for IU.
Think back to last season and why Glass moved their NIT game from IU to GT....and copy/paste to football.
Read through the proposal again and try to focus this time, OK?. Both IU and Purdue will retain six home games. Local merchants lose nothing. Stadium use stays the same, six home games per year.
Both schools will then add the Bucket game to their season ticket package, thus both will gain revenue as if they had seven home games even though the seventh will be at a neutral site.
Think about the effect on recruiting. Right now we have recruits at the Bucket game not every year but every other year, and they come to a ghost town of a campus and sit in a stadium that is 66% empty to freeze their balls off. If the game was at Lucas, they sit in a nice warm seat in a packed stadium and we could do it E V E R Y year.
And IU gains the same advantages. It's truly a win-win.
This must be a good topic because I am seeing legit points on both sides of the debate.. One big question I have not seen answered is how many home games would we be able to schedule if the bucket game were played at a 'neutral site'? Would it be 6 or 7? And if 7, how would we be able to schedule any quality non-conference opponents without ever going on the road? And is that even allowed?
So, assuming 6 true home games, financially we would essentially be trading a non-conference home game every other year for splitting the gate at Lucas Oil. There may be an argument that this would drive demand for the other 6 home games due to scarcity, but this is not a financial windfall by any means. So it comes down to whether it is worth the extra exposure in Indy and the opportunity to play in a fancy indoor stadium in late November.
So, assuming 6 true home games, financially we would essentially be trading a non-conference home game every other year for splitting the gate at Lucas Oil. There may be an argument that this would drive demand for the other 6 home games due to scarcity, but this is not a financial windfall by any means. So it comes down to whether it is worth the extra exposure in Indy and the opportunity to play in a fancy indoor stadium in late November.
Good weather, stadium two-thirds empty. Bad weather, stadium three-fourths empty.
My brother, an IU grad, and I attended our first Bucket game together in 1967. During the intervening half century, we've probably attended 30 together and that would have been higher except that I served 28 years in the US Army and was too far away much of the time.
Both IU and Purdue were pretty bad much of those 50 years but the Bucket game was nearly a full house just about every year whether at Btown or WL. The big change in attendance came when the game was moved to Thanksgiving weekend.
There is some squealing on this forum that attendance will improve if either team starts winning and that is BS. The Bucket game had great attendance for decades when both teams were pretty bad. The foremost problem, by far, has been the shift of the game from week-before-TG to extended TG weekend.
2/3 empty is laughable. It was 3/4 full against Illinois and will be better than that against IU. Wow you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Add that nonsense to his assertion that LO is some irresistible Shangri-La that will draw fans and recruits in massive numbers from every part of the Midwest in Late November to drink overpriced stadium beers, and immerse themselves in the glossy brochures available at the fabulous "Here's What Purdue Looks Like If You Ever Want To Visit" kiosk on the main concourse ... LOL
Try to understand the issue. Both Btown and WL campuses are ghost towns on the extended Thanksgiving weekend and attendance at the Bucket game has been abysmal ever since the game was moved to those dates. The attendance vs Illinois has nothing to do with it.
It may be the effect on local merchants in Bloomington and West Lafayette from losing a home date crowd at a time when students are largely gone is a restraining factor. If I ran a restaurant/pub or hotel/motel in WL, I would fight like mad to keep the game out of Indianapolis.
I am wholeheartedly disagreeing with that. Last time I went at Purdue in 2015 there were maybe 40,000 to see a 2-9 Boilermaker Squad. 2012 Hope's last run there were maybe 43,000. I am figuring on at least 46,000 (the attendance to see Illinois who was awful, did not travel well, and played on a wet cloudy day)
Bump. So much for 2/3 empty today eh? 53k was a bit more than you predicted.
The crowd was a surprise to everyone. Long lines for bathrooms and concessions. Purdue did a decent job getting people in. What a great atmosphere. If only we could ditch all that for climate controlled boredom.
And when one team or both is down, you will get some 40,000 paid, but days like yesterday make it worth it.
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