Originally posted by JohnnyDoeBoiler:
Just for fun, why don't you compare Bo's first ten years to Painter's first ten? Bo's current success is a hallmark of a stable program that has built up over the years.
I think you will find his record is still better than Painter's but not "Head and SHoulders" better. Keep in mind that Ryan took over a Whisky team that had just been to a FF, so there was momentum to the program. Continuity and momentum is something Painter needs to establish. The dip in recruiting 2008-2011 has made Painter's record look worse than his coaching skills should project.
Just for fun, here are the 1st 10 years for each coach in the B1G. 10/10 on NCAA appearances for Bo vs 7/10 for Painter. No finish outside of the top 4 in league play for Bo vs. finishes at 6th, 7th, 11th and 12th for CMP. 3 conference championships for Bo vs 1 for CMP. 4 sweet 16's and 1 elite 8 for Bo vs. 2 sweet 16's and 0 elite 8's for Painter.
And the dip in recruiting does nothing to help Painters argument. Ryan has had pretty mixed recruiting (from a *'s standpoint) but has maintained a great program regardless.
One more thing, Wisky had a final 4 run 2 years before Bo. They were a 22-14 team with an 8-8 record in league play and made it in as an 8 seed, so it was a fluke, and the team was 18-11 the next year (Bennetts last) so I wouldn't say they had a lot of momentum. In the 6 years before Bo (the Dick Bennett era), they were 109-79 overall (58%) and 48-52 in league play (48%). Bo is 74% and 72% in his time, so he has greatly improved a mediocre Wisconsin program that had one decent fluky run before him. In the 6 years before Painter took over, Gene was a little worse than Bennett, but not much at 52% overall and 45% in league play.
This post was edited on 4/2 12:02 PM by cprh9u
I know I am going to regret replying to this but my curiosity got the best of me.
You are going to compare the two years prior to Bo Ryan getting there and not make a single mention of the two years prior to Matt Painter taking over Purdue where they went 17-14 and a dismal 7-21. The fact is that Bo was established and has been in the northern portion of the country (where most of his recruits come from) for the last 30 years. Painter is still trying to make those connections here in Indiana while he competes with the likes of Indiana, Notre Dame, Kentucky, Cinncinati, Xavier, Louisville, Illinois, Butler, MSU, and OSU. Tell me the major programs within a few hours drive that Bo has to compete with? Marquette and Minnesota?
Matt is just 45 years old and the head of a major college program that he took over at the age of 34. He is a hell of a coach who appeared to buckle to the pressure (much the same way Bruce Weber did at Illinois) to go star chasing and attempt to play catch up with the likes of Louisville, OSU, Kentucky, and MSU. Simply put, he doesn't have that type of demeanor and personality and he understands that and has made the corrections needed to get the program back on solid ground. You are seeing that more lately with the his reaction to recent events. He appears to be a more patient and understanding coach along with knowing the types of players he needs to surround his program with to be successful. Would it be amazing to stock pile a bunch of 5 star players? Yes, but would that translate to a successful program for Purdue and Matt Painter? Well, I believe you saw the fruits of that approach from 2011-2013 and we as fans are now seeing Coach Painter return to recruiting a certain player to fit his mentality and approach to the game. If you think about it, that's the same approach that Bo Ryan has at Wisconsin...and I do believe I have heard the two have a great respect for each other.
I would love to hear what your approach would be to build the program differently than what Coach Painter has done since you are so unhappy with his results. The thing I find very funny is that most of the people on here share you disappointment in where the program went to the previous two years. The fact is that many of us realize there is some rationale behind what happened and that because Coach Painter is a successful and quality coach, he has made the needed changes to his program to correct the problems. I do believe some one on here has, for their tag line, something to the lines of....the definition of insanity is doing something repeatedly and expecting different results. Coach Painter made changes...maybe you should do the same with your outlook and your flawed reasons for hating Coach Painter. If you can't do that, maybe you could find another team to root for and be disappointed in when they don't achieve what you perceive to make you happy.
