Brohm

[BCfanatic2020]

It ALL starts with the OL, and, you left a few guys out...

But, THAT (the OL) is a known issue (or absolutely should be), and with that, it means that the secondary can't bite on fakes (never mind multiple times)...that the defense needs to get to the QB (and someone else already mentioned it...with Karlaftis being blocked by at least 2 guys, and, in a lot of cases, 3...how can NOBODY else be able to take advantage of that at all...how does the collective triumvirate of DC's not for that matter) and create turnovers as well.

O'Connell was way down the list of problems yesterday, no doubt about it, but, he made some really bad mistakes and really poor throws and decisions that a guy with his experience and general knowledge should not, and, it absolutely played a part in Purdue losing that game.

So I guess this is how I view it. When Alaimo and Allen are ready it’s highly likely we don’t have any more Oconnells or Plummer’s being a factor. In the meantime, the kid is a walk on who threw for 371 in a game in which we held a big ten team to 17 points. Brohm has one job before a time comes at which we no longer need Aidan… fix the OL.

if he does and Aidan comes back next year, Aidan will be good enough. If he doesn’t, we’d need Brees to get results that are much better than what we are getting

 

[BCfanatic2020]

But, the only guy as good is Bell...that is precisely the problem (or at least the biggest one).

Ok put it this way..

if the four starting OL not named Hartwig were as good as Oconnell we’d have won convincingly

 

[DAG10]

So I guess this is how I view it. When Alaimo and Allen are ready it’s highly likely we don’t have any more Oconnells or Plummer’s being a factor. In the meantime, the kid is a walk on who threw for 371 in a game in which we held a big ten team to 17 points. Brohm has one job before a time comes at which we no longer need Aidan… fix the OL.

if he does and Aidan comes back next year, Aidan will be good enough. If he doesn’t, we’d need Brees to get results that are much better than what we are getting

And here is how I view it...5 years in...a QB guru and offensive mastermind is left with a walk-on as his starting QB, because he is better than other options, yet, still limited with respect to athletic ability and decision-making.

Even that is irrelevant though for how bad the OL is...as it only compounds the difficulty of the job for the QB.

How is he going to fix the line by next year? Is there like an OL from somewhere else that is magically going to transfer in or appear?

And, why is it that he fixes a problem per year rather than puts a complete team on the field (other than the one that he inherited from one of the worst coaches in college football history, yet, somehow managed to have guys that at least his successor could win with in that he was incapable of doing so).

 

[DAG10]

Ok put it this way..

if the four starting OL not named Hartwig were as good as Oconnell we’d have won convincingly

Hartwig was not good...he got trucked at least twice (and compounded it one time by being called for holding on top of it as he tried to grab the guy that had just completely run him over), and, his snaps were poor from beginning to end.

The OL is not good in any form or fashion...individually, and, absolutely collectively.

There is a single talent on the offense, and, he is leaving after this year...and, there is an incredibly steep drop-off from him to whoever is next (and, you seem to believe it is O'Connell...which is fine...no argument here). But, with a talent issue, it calls for better coaching...and, Purdue is not getting that right now...it seemingly got it when Brohm arrived, but, in hindsight, he just had more talent to work with than most knew (because the guy there before him had absolutely no idea what he was doing).

 

[YouSayPotato]

Hartwig was not good...he got trucked at least twice (and compounded it one time by being called for holding on top of it as he tried to grab the guy that had just completely run him over), and, his snaps were poor from beginning to end.

That is the harsh reality. He wouldn't be playing now if Beach hadn't been injured.

 

[DAG10]

That is the harsh reality. He wouldn't be playing now if Beach hadn't been injured.

Perhaps so, perhaps not...no idea...irrelevant, however, as he is playing now...and, not playing very well (that is the true reality, harsh or not).

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Hartwig was not good...he got trucked at least twice (and compounded it one time by being called for holding on top of it as he tried to grab the guy that had just completely run him over), and, his snaps were poor from beginning to end.

The OL is not good in any form or fashion...individually, and, absolutely collectively.

There is a single talent on the offense, and, he is leaving after this year...and, there is an incredibly steep drop-off from him to whoever is next (and, you seem to believe it is O'Connell...which is fine...no argument here). But, with a talent issue, it calls for better coaching...and, Purdue is not getting that right now...it seemingly got it when Brohm arrived, but, in hindsight, he just had more talent to work with than most knew (because the guy there before him had absolutely no idea what he was doing).

Dude are you serious? So you’re David bell or you just aren’t good? Hartwig for a sophomore is not a problem and I cut him slack for that reason

 

[BCfanatic2020]

And here is how I view it...5 years in...a QB guru and offensive mastermind is left with a walk-on as his starting QB, because he is better than other options, yet, still limited with respect to athletic ability and decision-making.

Even that is irrelevant though for how bad the OL is...as it only compounds the difficulty of the job for the QB.

How is he going to fix the line by next year? Is there like an OL from somewhere else that is magically going to transfer in or appear?

And, why is it that he fixes a problem per year rather than puts a complete team on the field (other than the one that he inherited from one of the worst coaches in college football history, yet, somehow managed to have guys that at least his successor could win with in that he was incapable of doing so).

You’re complaining to Morgan Burke. “Joe tiller told you to commit to football, you didn’t. Why can’t we demand a coach better than brohm?”

if I was that young up and comer who is beating good teams from a small school and Purdue comes to me.. my reaction is “why would I want to go to a school where I’m one of the bottom few programs in the conference? I’ll wait until a job comes open at a school where I can go and truck Purdue regularly.”

you’re mad that Purdue is Purdue.

brohm is just alright. If we were Ohio state I’d have wanted him fired long ago. He’s gonna be here past this year because we don’t demand better lol

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Hartwig was not good...he got trucked at least twice (and compounded it one time by being called for holding on top of it as he tried to grab the guy that had just completely run him over), and, his snaps were poor from beginning to end.

The OL is not good in any form or fashion...individually, and, absolutely collectively.

There is a single talent on the offense, and, he is leaving after this year...and, there is an incredibly steep drop-off from him to whoever is next (and, you seem to believe it is O'Connell...which is fine...no argument here). But, with a talent issue, it calls for better coaching...and, Purdue is not getting that right now...it seemingly got it when Brohm arrived, but, in hindsight, he just had more talent to work with than most knew (because the guy there before him had absolutely no idea what he was doing).

@SDBoiler1 @pboiler18 @TC4THREE

so read the first line of paragraph 3.. all summer long I was a secret IU fan and yet I don’t see you guys replying to this nonsense lol

 

[SDBoiler1]

@SDBoiler1 @pboiler18 @TC4THREE

so read the first line of paragraph 3.. all summer long I was a secret IU fan and yet I don’t see you guys replying to this nonsense lol

It is nonsense. But that guy posts this kind of stuff routinely.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

It is nonsense. But that guy posts this kind of stuff routinely.

The only good player we have on offense is bell. I think he thinks he roots for Georgia lol

 

[pboiler18]

The only good player we have on offense is bell. I think he thinks he roots for Georgia lol

I root for UGA. Sue me. Haha.

After every loss, there are stark overreactions. I don’t think Hartwig is very good yet but he’s going to be.

I think Brohms play calling is not doing this team any favors. Offensive execution hasn’t been much better. I’m invested for sure but I’m not gunna get in pissing matches…especially after bad losses where we all know what went wrong.
I still think Purdue wins 6 and goes to a minor bowl. Maybe a win or two less than I expected. I expected the offense to be way better than it is and the defense is honestly what I thought it would be. It’s not lockdown but it’s good enough to get stops.
Always room for improvement but we aren’t improving right now on the side of the ball the HC is in charge of and that’s what’s concerning to me now.

 

[DAG10]

@SDBoiler1 @pboiler18 @TC4THREE

so read the first line of paragraph 3.. all summer long I was a secret IU fan and yet I don’t see you guys replying to this nonsense lol

Secure much?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Secure much?

Your posts are like “either we are LSU or the sky is falling” …

 

[Beorik]

The only good player we have on offense is bell. I think he thinks he roots for Georgia lol

I must have him on ignore. So he must be one of the guys that only posts negatively and calls for the coach to be fired after every bad game and talks shit about every player after every bad play.

If he said Bell is our only good player on offense then he also doesn’t know shit about football and is rightfully being ignored.

We have about 4-6 guys on offense right now that has a shot at the NFL. Many of them are underclassmen but the talent is there.

With O’Connell we are moving the ball well. We have to fix the red zone issues or we will continue to struggle. We also need to win the TO battle once in a while. O’Connell not turning it over is part of that but it is also on our defense getting take aways. I am seeing progress with our line and I still have hope for this year.

Boiler Up!

 

[DAG10]

Your posts are like “either we are LSU or the sky is falling” …

Not true...or remotely close (although, now that you mention it...the sky is indeed falling in Baton Rouge).

When Brohm arrived, I merely wanted a competent, functional, and, ideally, competitive football team...a team that looked like they had been coached, and, that there was evidence of some semblance of a plan on both sides of the ball...so, that pales in comparison to expectations for the likes of LSU (and, many other programs for that matter around the country), but, given what he was coming into and the complete incompetence and ineptitude of the group in place before him, that is literally all that I wanted.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Not true...or remotely close (although, now that you mention it...the sky is indeed falling in Baton Rouge).

When Brohm arrived, I merely wanted a competent, functional, and, ideally, competitive football team...a team that looked like they had been coached, and, that there was evidence of some semblance of a plan on both sides of the ball...so, that pales in comparison to expectations for the likes of LSU (and, many other programs for that matter around the country), but, given what he was coming into and the complete incompetence and ineptitude of the group in place before him, that is literally all that I wanted.

If you think the only good player on the offense is bell, it is true.. which is why I didn’t read the rest of your post.

I think it’s hilarious that the number of people who don’t think brohm is either the best coach ever or should be fired today is like 11 on this forum lol

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I must have him on ignore. So he must be one of the guys that only posts negatively and calls for the coach to be fired after every bad game and talks shit about every player after every bad play.

If he said Bell is our only good player on offense then he also doesn’t know shit about football and is rightfully being ignored.

We have about 4-6 guys on offense right now that has a shot at the NFL. Many of them are underclassmen but the talent is there.

With O’Connell we are moving the ball well. We have to fix the red zone issues or we will continue to struggle. We also need to win the TO battle once in a while. O’Connell not turning it over is part of that but it is also on our defense getting take aways. I am seeing progress with our line and I still have hope for this year.

Boiler Up!

Yeah cause when I think of payne Durham I think of a guy who can’t play 🙄..

maybe I should use ignore more often .. it’s DAG10

 

[Poprudy]

Yeah cause when I think of payne Durham I think of a guy who can’t play 🙄..

maybe I should use ignore more often .. it’s DAG10

I think that's what so disheartening. The last 2 years we've had multiple stud Receivers and didn't accomplish anything as a team. Reality is we are stagnate and aren't trending upward anymore. His coaching isn't good enough to get past a mediocre Minnesota team at home....that's not good.

 

[Beorik]

Yeah cause when I think of payne Durham I think of a guy who can’t play 🙄..

maybe I should use ignore more often .. it’s DAG10

Agreed. Baring some type of serious injury I think Durham will be playing on Sunday’s.

I also think Wright is starting to show what he could be for us next year and if that is the case he could end up in the NFL too.

Now after that you are probably talking mostly potential but not ready yet but Rice, Yaseen (man he looks like he can catch), Miller and Hatwig all look like they could be there with some developing.

 

[DAG10]

If you think the only good player on the offense is bell, it is true.. which is why I didn’t read the rest of your post.

I think it’s hilarious that the number of people who don’t think brohm is either the best coach ever or should be fired today is like 11 on this forum lol

That is not why you did not read it, but, another topic entirely.

Bell is the most talented player on offense...he is far more talented than anybody else...and, Purdue would (and will) struggle without him.

What you think is funny is irrelevant, just like much of the other garbage that you spew...half the time you talk to yourself...I am just waiting for you to reply to your own post in light of it.

Your using "ignore" would be appropriate for certain given your penchant for ignoring the obvious...or, cutting slack to essentially everybody.

All is good...and I don't care if they fire Brohm or not...you nailed it with your point somewhere amongst one of your rants that, more or less, Purdue is Purdue.

 

[Beorik]

I think that's what so disheartening. The last 2 years we've had multiple stud Receivers and didn't accomplish anything as a team. Reality is we are stagnate and aren't trending upward anymore. His coaching isn't good enough to get past a mediocre Minnesota team at home....that's not good.

It takes so much more than a couple of stud players. If an amazing player was all you needed Brees would have won a championship here.

And every coach loses games they shouldn’t. Hell Tiller lost to a mediocre Wake Forest team in I believe 02 or 03. You can probably find a game every year that Tiller lost that he shouldn’t have. If every team beat inferior teams every time, Alabama would go undefeated and win the championship every single year.

We still have a lot of buildings to do at Purdue under Brohm. I am hopeful we keep improving this year and get into a bowl game.

Boiler Up!

 

[BSIT]

Brees would tuck the ball and run when he needed to. Neither Orton nor AOC do that.

But Orton tried against Wisconsin…. Sorry forget that

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I think that's what so disheartening. The last 2 years we've had multiple stud Receivers and didn't accomplish anything as a team. Reality is we are stagnate and aren't trending upward anymore. His coaching isn't good enough to get past a mediocre Minnesota team at home....that's not good.

I already expected it. I predicted 5-7 and was fine with.. 5-7

 

[BCfanatic2020]

That is not why you did not read it, but, another topic entirely.

Bell is the most talented player on offense...he is far more talented than anybody else...and, Purdue would (and will) struggle without him.

What you think is funny is irrelevant, just like much of the other garbage that you spew...half the time you talk to yourself...I am just waiting for you to reply to your own post in light of it.

Your using "ignore" would be appropriate for certain given your penchant for ignoring the obvious...or, cutting slack to essentially everybody.

All is good...and I don't care if they fire Brohm or not...you nailed it with your point somewhere amongst one of your rants that, more or less, Purdue is Purdue.

Dude you straight up said bell was our only good player

 

[Poprudy]

It takes so much more than a couple of stud players. If an amazing player was all you needed Brees would have won a championship here.

And every coach loses games they shouldn’t. Hell Tiller lost to a mediocre Wake Forest team in I believe 02 or 03. You can probably find a game every year that Tiller lost that he shouldn’t have. If every team beat inferior teams every time, Alabama would go undefeated and win the championship every single year.

We still have a lot of buildings to do at Purdue under Brohm. I am hopeful we keep improving this year and get into a bowl game.

Boiler Up!

Brees made every player and coach better. Brees was a once in a lifetime player. Tiller still showed that you could get to 8 wins a year at Purdue. Brohm is a 5-6 win guy. If you're happy with that? then you have your guy. I was a huge Brohm guy but now realize he's just an avg coach.

 

[Poprudy]

I already expected it. I predicted 5-7 and was fine with.. 5-7

Maybe that's why we thought you were an IU guy. To be happy with 5-7 after 5 years with Bell and Karlaftis seems crazy to me. He should have competent pieces surrounding these studs.

 

[Beorik]

Brees made every player and coach better. Brees was a once in a lifetime player. Tiller still showed that you could get to 8 wins a year at Purdue. Brohm is a 5-6 win guy. If you're happy with that? then you have your guy. I was a huge Brohm guy but now realize he's just an avg coach.

I love that Brohm brought us from 2-3 wins up to 4-7 win team and gets zero credit for that.

Secondly I am not happy with 6 wins each year. I just thinks it takes more than 5 years to make Purdue a Big Ten contender year in and year out. I think we will continue to improve. If we don’t? If we go through another 4 year stretch of winning 6 games or less then I will reevaluate. For now I still believe Brohm will work hard to get us to the next level.

 

[Poprudy]

I love that Brohm brought us from 2-3 wins up to 4-7 win team and gets zero credit for that.

Secondly I am not happy with 6 wins each year. I just thinks it takes more than 5 years to make Purdue a Big Ten contender year in and year out. I think we will continue to improve. If we don’t? If we go through another 4 year stretch of winning 6 games or less then I will reevaluate. For now I still believe Brohm will work hard to get us to the next level.

Man, I wish I was there and I completely hope you're right. I just want the best for our program.

 

[Beorik]

Man, I wish I was there and I completely hope you're right. I just want the best for our program.

I hope I am too lol. I want to see us winners again. It’s been too long.

 

[DAG10]

I love that Brohm brought us from 2-3 wins up to 4-7 win team and gets zero credit for that.

Secondly I am not happy with 6 wins each year. I just thinks it takes more than 5 years to make Purdue a Big Ten contender year in and year out. I think we will continue to improve. If we don’t? If we go through another 4 year stretch of winning 6 games or less then I will reevaluate. For now I still believe Brohm will work hard to get us to the next level.

Is Brohm better than his predecessor? No doubt about it, but, given the predecessor, it would have been impossible not to be better...the mere fact that he won with the other's guys shows how much better he is. But, if going to 4 wins 5 years in is deemed success...I guess we measure it differently.

Nobody is talking at this point about Purdue being a Big Ten contender year-in and year-out...I think most would be happy at this point if they were consistently winning 6 games even, but, 5 years in, it is not happening (noting that while not likely this year, it still could happen).

If Purdue can't win 6 games consistently over another 4-year stretch, that would seemingly be a big problem at that point...to the point that I don't think it should take 4 more years of waiting for that to happen.

It is not a case of how hard he works...it is a case of what is he capable of? And, I think the jury is still out on that...more now than ever. He won his first two years, but, that was with Hazell's guys...and, in large part, because of them. Year 3...injuries obviously blew it up, and, frankly, he did a really nice job seemingly given that...last year...he made a horrible decision in bringing in Diaco, in large part because he fired Holt with no actual plan for his replacement and ended up with another of college football's worst coaches (which was/is concerning), and, it had a significant negative impact unfortunately...between that and COVID, tough to put a ton of weight on it...this year...same issue as so many times with respect to QB position, and, no improvement in OL despite it being a glaring weakness, and, while defense is much improved (impossible not to be given the debacle the year prior), the fact that the offense has regressed is concerning...more so in that it is Brohm's specialty.

I was good until the Diaco hiring and subsequent issues last year...was skeptical going into this season, but, hopeful...now, more skeptical...yet, hopeful. There is a long way to go yet this year, and, there are some games that appear to be there for the taking, but, games and performances like yesterday and last week won't get it done...here is hoping that things change and that Purdue does somehow find a way to win 6 games and maybe use that to build some momentum for the program that is desperately missing.

 

[BSIT]

Brees made every player and coach better. Brees was a once in a lifetime player. Tiller still showed that you could get to 8 wins a year at Purdue. Brohm is a 5-6 win guy. If you're happy with that? then you have your guy. I was a huge Brohm guy but now realize he's just an avg coach.

Just proves how underrated Tiller was

 

[TC4THREE]

@SDBoiler1 @pboiler18 @TC4THREE

so read the first line of paragraph 3.. all summer long I was a secret IU fan and yet I don’t see you guys replying to this nonsense lol

Never called you an IU fan I'm pretty sure. And I make it a point to try to stay away after losses. Only saw this because you tagged me.

 

[Lifetimebooler1]

What was more proximate to the loss yesterday …

anything you mentioned about a guy who threw for 371
Eric Miller whiffing on a block
Broc Thompson falling down
The secondary biting on a couple fakes
The OL being a laugh fest such that we aren’t a threat to run in the red zone

rank those

2 turnovers. All day. AOC gave Minnesota the ball on 2 plays. Eric Miller missing a block didn’t give Minnesota the ball on the next play. Broc Thompson falling down didn’t give Minnesota the ball. The secondary biting on fakes cost us a score, but two turnovers cost us 2 and if you just trade one for one we win. Haven’t been able to do anything in the red zone all year. With either quarterback. So I’ll call that even between the two.

 

[Poprudy]

Just proves how underrated Tiller was

I can remember when my cousin was recruited as a LB and moved to DT. I thought he was crazy but in reality he wasn't fast enough to play laterally but could hit gaps. That's what made him great. IMO

 

[BSIT]

I love that Brohm brought us from 2-3 wins up to 4-7 win team and gets zero credit for that.

Secondly I am not happy with 6 wins each year. I just thinks it takes more than 5 years to make Purdue a Big Ten contender year in and year out. I think we will continue to improve. If we don’t? If we go through another 4 year stretch of winning 6 games or less then I will reevaluate. For now I still believe Brohm will work hard to get us to the next level.

I appreciate what Brohm did by righting the ship from what CDH did but we are at the point that the team are now Brohm’s recruits and in order to get better recruits he will need to start winning

 

[BSIT]

I can remember when my cousin was recruited as a LB and moved to DT. I thought he was crazy but in reality he wasn't fast enough to play laterally but could hit gaps. That's what made him great. IMO

There are a lot of recruits who are also thankful Tiller moved them to another position and some became NFL millionaires as a result

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Maybe that's why we thought you were an IU guy. To be happy with 5-7 after 5 years with Bell and Karlaftis seems crazy to me. He should have competent pieces surrounding these studs.

Again I’m not a defender of brohm. I don’t think he’s great. But to all you guys I ask again .. who are you gonna get?

cause I remember being unhappy at the end of tillers run and we got danny hope, then unhappy with that and we got hazell

 

[BCfanatic2020]

2 turnovers. All day. AOC gave Minnesota the ball on 2 plays. Eric Miller missing a block didn’t give Minnesota the ball on the next play. Broc Thompson falling down didn’t give Minnesota the ball. The secondary biting on fakes cost us a score, but two turnovers cost us 2 and if you just trade one for one we win. Haven’t been able to do anything in the red zone all year. With either quarterback. So I’ll call that even between the two.

Eric Miller missed the block that led to the first turnover..

Broc Thompson falling down led to a turnover on downs.

what positive things did Miller and Thompson do, like throwing for 371, that counter balanced their mistakes.

this idea that the loss is Oconnell fault is ****in comical lol.. just stupid.

 

[FirstDownB]

Just proves how underrated Tiller was

Not just a great coach, but the exact right coach at the exact right time. He exploited the Big Ten with his spread for about 5 years until they modernized to speedier defenses. Today with this schedule he’d probably be a 7-5 coach at Purdue.