I did say .500 and a bowl game. If we get to the point we're going to bowl games with 5 or fewer wins that's another discussion.
Brohm vs hazell in year 5
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Maybe I’m in the minority, but I certainly wouldn’t be. 👎
If brohm hadn’t hired Diaco and instead got a lambert quality coach along with a mark Hagen last year.. I’d probably be predicting 7-5
Ok. Since you insist you answered the question of when did Brohms recruiting take a jump, which, I'm not seeing btw. Do you believe you can win in the big ten with the youngest team in the big? Can Purdue win in the big ten with the youngest team?
I thought you said there was a talent issue this year. No talent on the team?
No.. you can’t read. There’s a development issue. If you’re joe tiller and you take Bruce Gordon and Jeremy coley, the recruiting rankings look awesome. If however, they turn into Gordon and Coley while Iowa turns two 5.5 RR guys into solid big ten starters, you’re losing.
Purdue has had attrition and conversion issues with recruits since about the time the 2003 team was done.
brohm has brought in a lot of recruited talent. He’s only turned about 9 high school guys into good big ten starters depending on what your standard is.
that number could increase to 13 this year, or 26. My point is, that number will tell the story.
youre sounding like a lot of pro or anti brohm people who get really hurt if you don’t agree with everything they think. I have no predetermined result either way.
example, Kenny major was a big disappointment… that’s a fact. If he was somehow able to come back here and turned into mike Hawthorne, I’d acknowledge that as well.
I think we may be poised to see a lot of guys hit the field as reliable starters, but THAT is where brohm’s problems have been… it’s a far better problem than “hey I get all my recruits to play big ten football, it turns out my Xs and Os don’t work.”
So how the F are you not going with the whole “well, the team recruited better in 2018, you aren’t expecting them to win with such young recruits are you??” Line of argument EXACTLY as I said you were?
The jump in recruiting hasn’t mattered because those guys haven’t gotten on the field and established themselves as big ten caliber starters. That’s my point. The analysis doesn’t end on signing day. You’re arguing as if “well, brohm began recruiting so well and each year he’s had 11 of his recruits hit the field and establish themselves as big ten starters, but they are just young.” No .. the number is more like 2 per year! TWO!!! Are you f-ing joking.
there are 0 chances you could give fitz or ferentz 4 years and they have one big ten caliber starter at corner, safety and runningback.
guess what else genius? You’re going to constantly be one of the youngest teams when you seem to always be suffering massive attrition. Stop implying we are young because “well you know we just lost a decorated senior class of 21 guys.”
And if you claim you aren’t implying that then you’re stuck in the mud. Brohm gets 85 and 25 like everyone else. If he signs 25 guys and two years later he has 15, while another coach has 19, all other things equal, he’s losing to that coach
Man, you are obsessed with former players. Here's some advice......stop posting so damn much. Its truly allowing your lack of football knowledge to shine through.
Major wasn't a disappointment. He was a 5.5 rated recruit with few P5 offers that shined for a few games and then came back to reality. He left before he was even an upper classman. Sure, he didn't work out for Purdue but he was also passed up by 2 guys who are better than him. That's life and that's football.
Again, I don't get the obsession with bringing up Brohm flameouts AND judging him on kids who until this year, haven't even become upperclassmen yet.
2019 was devastated by injuries (the same level of injuries that Hope fans used as a crutch his 2nd year) and 2020 was COVID crazy AND had plenty of adversity with injuries too. The facts are this....if the team is going to be banged up, we aren't deep enough and likely never will be to compete at a high level. But, if things go our way, we stay healthy and the Jr. class this year gets to develop un-interrupted, I think you'll see this team take a big jump. Yes, I said I think. But I don't know.
Just like you don't actually know Brohm is a bust and that his recruiting classes won't work out.
Maybe just shut up and try to enjoy this season? Every one of your posts is an OCD episode. Maybe you shouldn't watch this year for your healths sake?
I ask two simple questions and instead of answering them directly, you beat around the bush and type paragraphs, then proceed to tell me I'm trying to prove a point? Interesting. If you aren't trying to prove a point, why can't you just answer the questions directly without typing books that never directly answer the question at hand? Seems to me you have an agenda to push, not me.
Was i not correct though? I told you why you were asking, you played dumb, then that was … why you were asking.
Here’s some advice .. go f yourself. Dude the weirdest guys on here are concerned about other people as people. You could be the Pope for all I know. I’m only concerned with your takes.
your arguments were terrible and you spent a lot of time not trying to understand mine.
we have had, to this point, a recruiting conversion issue. To much attrition, not enough guys hitting the field as starter caliber players. I’m hoping it changes. However, it’s helpful to have a record of it so that FIVE years after the fact, if we fail, and some people say “hazell” one can point out why they are full of crap
Oh. Yes. How could I forget. You are a mind reader, not a question answer. But no, you still haven't really answered either question directly. What you would you consider to be Brohms first class with elevated recruiting and at what age (freshman, sophomore, redshirt junior, etc) do you expect most players of the caliber Purdue is recruiting to be major contributors and look good doing it? Assuming proper development.
Conversation is a two way street. You just say your opinion and refuse to discuss it actually.
A lot of the guys listed were not B1G starter caliber until their 4th or 5th years.
Think in general you are using different standards for the Hazell and Brohm lists. Example: Barron (listed), HM All B1G as a SENIOR. Hartwig (not listed), HM All B1G as a FRESHMAN.
Thieneman took so much crap on here for not being B1G starting caliber that it's almost comical to see him revered as a standard at the position.
There was no logical reason other than that to ask that question and that ended up being why you were asking it
You aren’t dumb enough to think I’m suggesting hazell is better than brohm are you?
not at winning programs .. you don’t get 9 big ten starters in four years at winning programs. Iowa would not have 1 RB, 1 CB and 1 S in four years. Are you talking about the standard when dinardo was at Indiana?
Or.... just a thought here, I'm asking questions to better understand your point of view vs prove a point. But instead, you decided to push your agenda, put words in my mouth, then tell me what I was thinking. For someone who passionately believes his/her point is correct, you are awfully defensive when it comes to discussion.
Please note, you still haven't directly answered the questions without trying to prove a point or by typing a book that somewhat avoids the questions.
I am with you.Six wins isnt too much to ask for in year number five.
There was no other logical reason to ask that question. You’ve gone on to prove that you’re another one of these guys where if someone disagrees with you they must be a terrible person. It’s strange to be so tied to one predetermined result or another. If brohm puts a college all star team out there and goes 10-2 I’ll sing his praises because nothing else would be logical
I have? Makes sense. You think I'm a terrible person because you won't discuss the way you think with me because you know for a fact I'm trying to prove a point.
Imagine for a second. Calling me a terrible person for trying to understand. Meanwhile, you have made assumptions, put words in my mouth, and read my brain. Terrible people don't try to discuss, they don't try to understand the oppositions point of view. Terrible people name call, attack, and push their narrative. Something I've yet to do in this thread.
So I'll ask again, so you want to help me understand your thinking and point of view by answering my questions directly or continue to push your narrative, ignore my questions, and put words in my mouth?
Or would you prefer I say, yes, you are correct. No discussion needed. You are 100% correct in your take. I guess I don't understand why you can't explain your rationale behind your take and are completely unwilling to defend it.
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I don’t think you’re a terrible person. I don’t know you.. but you’re definitely attached to an outcome, and if someone even gives evidence to the contrary, you turn into Freud and attempt to diagnose them.
you do realize that there are people here who aren’t in either camp right? To those who want brohm fired now I’ve asked “who are you gonna get.” If he’s 2-10 or 10-2 I’ll respond to that record.
Jacob thienemann? He was good.
how many games did Hartwig start at center? I may be mistaken on him.
So you confirm I have slightly different beliefs than you. Congrats. I'm also attempting to learn more about why you believe what you believe by answering questions I have. Why do you make a point, consistently blast the point. But refuse to answer basic questions when someone tries to understand your point? Most people who truly believe something will adamantly defend it and answer any questions on the point. Not you though. So you afraid your point is incorrect or what?
We do. I may vigorously attack those beliefs. I believe as a guy you’re probably a decent dude. I’m certainly not going to try to tell you you’re mentally ill for disagreeing with me.
What I believe ..
> Brohm has been below average. Hazell sucking doesn’t make this any less true.
> while I don’t agree with his most ardent supporters, I also believe the Purdue admin was bad enough in the decade or so preceding him that even if we go 3-9, firing him would be silly.. so long as he’s developing some players and recruiting.
> he’s a good schematic coach. His current predicament is not based on his inability to scheme an offense at this point.. if we do poorly in 2021, it will be because:
1) he hasn’t gotten enough of his good recruits into key roles making an impact
2) because he hired bob diaco
regardless of what happens this year, I believe he will lead us to a winning season and bowl in 2022..
Blaming Darrell hazell this year would be a very bad take.. if indeed we have a losing season
Why are you worried about who people are on here? If we disagree, have a take.
Whose blaming Hazell? You keep saying this.
You mention recruiting. When do you see as a good recruiting class for Brohm (using rankings, which is subjective, but all we have) and at what age do you expect said recruits to be "big ten caliber players" in your eyes?
Lol I've been on here since 2003... Trust me I have plenty of takes, most have been on the premium board for the past decade. It was a simple freakn question. You afraid to answer it...
Hes afraid to answer a few simple questions.... afraid to defend his take, or even further discuss his take. He just seems to want to cram in down your throat.
Watch.. if we have a losing season I guarantee you we will see some of that just like we did last year ..
Because of how many of you guys react to “this person disagrees with me” not with “let me disagree back and say why” but with “let me show that I am the more morally just poster.” It’s weird.
I don’t think staying the obvious is trolling. When people say things I disagree with like “oh brohm should get 8 wins or be fired” (wtf), I say why I think it’s incorrect and why.
if your name was krispykreme84 I wouldn’t be like “oh.. oh that’s great.. so I guess you just love donuts right??” It’s strange…
He is a former poster on the premium board about a year and a half ago. Can you guess who it is ?
Wait, so you’re saying brohm has gotten more than 9 of his guys onto the field as big ten level starters? I didn’t know I was in here cussing people out…
Before I can disagree, I want to understand your point. You refuse to answer questions though. You refuse to elaborate.
On what basis are you using to prove your point? You have talked about recruiting and you have talked about development. But idk what you consider a good class or which of Brohms classes you consider good. How long do you think it takes for most guys to develop and be ready to play like a solid big ten player? All valid questions you should he able to answer in defending your original statement. Do you disagree?
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