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Brohm vs Allen. Real college coach vs high school head coach.

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Been obvious to me since both hires were made a little less than a year ago and this whole season just reinforced that from both programs. Jeff Brohm helped Purdue win games it otherwise wouldn't have and I don't really see where Allen helped IU win any close games they could have. Part of me is a bit surprised with how quickly our program caught up from the hole we were in but that's what real coaching does. We pretty much controlled the game with a less talented roster and I don't think our talent level is going anywhere but up over the next couple years.

Indiana high school recruits take notice.
 
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1. I don't think he really took his foot off the gas early today. We were up 3 scores in the 4th quarter with a RB averaging something like 7 yards a carry. You run the ball and make IU use timeouts and eat up clock. It was a good strategy as the only way IU could've been in position to tie the game was to recover 2 onside kicks (which they were frighteningly close to doing).

2. I don't think he played this season with a full confidence that he had his offense on the field as he would like to have had it and probably will have it in another year or two. I believe we've heard comment several times throughout the year that he was more conservative in situations due to this. We had a defense that played very well for most of the season and he chose to lean on them more often than not. Except for the conservative last drive against Nebraska where a first down would've won us the game, I agreed with him on most of the other choices.
 
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TC4THREE said:
Been obvious to me since both hires were made a little less than a year ago and this whole season just reinforced that from both programs. Jeff Brohm helped Purdue win games it otherwise wouldn't have and I don't really see where Allen helped IU win any close games they could have. Part of me is a bit surprised with how quickly our program caught up from the hole we were in but that's what real coaching does. We pretty much controlled the game with a less talented roster and I don't think our talent level is going anywhere but up over the next couple years.

Indiana high school recruits take notice.
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I was at the game with my daughter today...Purdue was pretty good early, but then went into a lull...they were really fortunate I felt to be 7-7 for a long time when they had no offensive success...I told her at some point in the second quarter that if Purdue was ultimately going to win, it was going to come down to just winning by/on emotion of the crowd and environment and better coaching (as IU had the better and more talented team I felt).

There is no doubt in my mind that Purdue won more than a few games this year simply due to its coach, and, that IU not only did not...but lost a few for the exact same reason, including today.

Allen has had some success already from a recruiting standpoint...but, Brohm had the far better year on the field...has shown himself to be the better coach...and, if he is able to translate that into some success as well in recruiting, then IU is in trouble, at least with respect to this rivalry.

What Brohm did this year is nothing short of incredible...and, as impressive as anything is that he erased what was a seemingly tremendous gap between the respective Purdue/IU programs.
 
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DG10 said:
I was at the game with my daughter today...Purdue was pretty good early, but then went into a lull...they were really fortunate I felt to be 7-7 for a long time when they had no offensive success...I told her at some point in the second quarter that if Purdue was ultimately going to win, it was going to come down to just winning by/on emotion of the crowd and environment and better coaching (as IU had the better and more talented team I felt).

There is no doubt in my mind that Purdue won more than a few games this year simply due to its coach, and, that IU not only did not...but lost a few for the exact same reason, including today.

Allen has had some success already from a recruiting standpoint...but, Brohm had the far better year on the field...has shown himself to be the better coach...and, if he is able to translate that into some success as well in recruiting, then IU is in trouble, at least with respect to this rivalry.

What Brohm did this year is nothing short of incredible...and, as impressive as anything is that he erased what was a seemingly tremendous gap between the respective Purdue/IU programs.
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Brohm will be shown to be a superior recruiter than Allen - you watch.
 
IU fans are already calling for Allen to be fired after 1 season, as if 5-7 is a "bad" year for IU. The only thing they are taking solace in is that they are convinced Brohm leaves Purdue for one of the SEC openings.
 
SDBoiler1 said:
Brohm will be shown to be a superior recruiter than Allen - you watch.
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Agree. Just like Crean's goofiness might have even helped him sell his program early, I think people will discover quickly that Allen is a used car salesman who also happens to be a decent defensive coordinator as well. His act will wear thin quickly, especially if he can't get IU back into a bowl game next year.
 
TC4THREE said:
Been obvious to me since both hires were made a little less than a year ago and this whole season just reinforced that from both programs. Jeff Brohm helped Purdue win games it otherwise wouldn't have and I don't really see where Allen helped IU win any close games they could have. Part of me is a bit surprised with how quickly our program caught up from the hole we were in but that's what real coaching does. We pretty much controlled the game with a less talented roster and I don't think our talent level is going anywhere but up over the next couple years.

Indiana high school recruits take notice.
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I am not going to crap on Tom Allen. We lost by 2 a year ago on the road with an interim coach. Gap was not insurmountable.

Losing Wilson's offensive mind was the killer for them and Mike DeBord was a solid OC 20 years ago with Michigan. They will need to stock up on offensive skill, but we do as well. I think Tom Allen will keep them about .500 which is good for the conference
 
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Hausta01 said:
IU fans are already calling for Allen to be fired after 1 season, as if 5-7 is a "bad" year for IU. The only thing they are taking solace in is that they are convinced Brohm leaves Purdue for one of the SEC openings.
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It's kind of funny how much things can change in the course of a few months. It wasn't long ago that they tabbed Allen as the perfect man for the job and downplayed our hiring of Brohm. This evening, they are discussing Allen's buyout and where in the SEC Brohm will land. It's been a good day.
 
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boilerpt said:
It's kind of funny how much things can change in the course of a few months. It wasn't long ago that they tabbed Allen as the perfect man for the job and downplayed our hiring of Brohm. This evening, they are discussing Allen's buyout and where in the SEC Brohm will land. It's been a good day.
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Yup.

It looks like Allen was exposed today. Big hat, no cattle. Runs up and down the sidelines a lot, but doesn't have anything to show for it. No shame in being passionate on the sidelines, but he's not a leader. Much like Tom Crean.

IU took the cheap way out. Hope the IU trustees/admin hold onto him for years to come. Keep that budget low. Build more buildings. Go cheap on personnel.
 
RegionWarrior101 said:
I am not going to crap on Tom Allen. We lost by 2 a year ago on the road with an interim coach. Gap was not insurmountable.

Losing Wilson's offensive mind was the killer for them and Mike DeBord was a solid OC 20 years ago with Michigan. They will need to stock up on offensive skill, but we do as well. I think Tom Allen will keep them about .500 which is good for the conference
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No, Wilson's offense was a big draw for IU. That's gone now. IU is in the beginning of a slow decline and will go back to being a bottom feeder in the BIG. Allen cannot win at IU by playing his style of defense - not with being in the BIG East. Rutgers and Maryland are already recruiting as well or better than IU.
 
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SDBoiler1 said:
No, Wilson's offense was a big draw for IU. That's gone now. IU is in the beginning of a slow decline and will go back to being a bottom feeder in the BIG. Allen cannot win at IU by playing his style of defense - not with being in the BIG East. Rutgers and Maryland are already recruiting as well or better than IU.
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I am not sure what a "draw" the offense was as a recruiting tool outside Simmie Cobbs. Jordan Howard was a one year player. He never recruited an above average QB.

It also looked like DeBord was trying to run Wilson's system which is hard to do.

And I hope IU stays around .500. When they are better, it is better for everyone.
 
boilerpt said:
It's kind of funny how much things can change in the course of a few months. It wasn't long ago that they tabbed Allen as the perfect man for the job and downplayed our hiring of Brohm. This evening, they are discussing Allen's buyout and where in the SEC Brohm will land. It's been a good day.
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The talk over there is that Brohm will be gone to an SEC team in 2 years. Well, where will be Allen in 2 years? Back to high school?;)
 
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I am not sure what a "draw" the offense was as a recruiting tool outside Simmie Cobbs. Jordan Howard was a one year player. He never recruited an above average QB.

It also looked like DeBord was trying to run Wilson's system which is hard to do.

And I hope IU stays around .500. When they are better, it is better for everyone.
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IU recruited a number of excellent skill position players and OL under Wilson. Cobbs, Jordan Howard, Tevin Coleman, Dan Feeney. Cody Latimer, Shane Wynn, Roger Saffold, Jason Spriggs, Stephen Houston are all either in the NFL or are going to be.

DeBord's system isn't the same as Wilson's.

IU being better has no correlation to being "better for everyone". Horrible argument.
 
SDBoiler1 said:
IU recruited a number of excellent skill position players and OL under Wilson. Cobbs, Jordan Howard, Tevin Coleman, Dan Feeney. Cody Latimer, Shane Wynn, Roger Saffold, Jason Spriggs, Stephen Houston are all either in the NFL or are going to be.

DeBord's system isn't the same as Wilson's.

IU being better has no correlation to being "better for everyone". Horrible argument.
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Fact check: Saffold was not a Wilson recruit. Wilson first year was 2011. Saffold was in 2010 NFL draft.

Just trying to help you out...
 
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The talk over there is that Brohm will be gone to an SEC team in 2 years.
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Why wouldn't Purdue match any offer from any SEC school? We no longer have a star gazer as president and a penny pincher as AD, we've got a president and an AD who have clearly made a committment to bringing Purdue back to the Big Time. It's not lip service, they've already done it.

So, once again, why would Purdue allow a Tennessee or an Arkansas to out bid Purdue for Brohm? Per the Indy Star, Purdue had attendance improve by 13,433 this year - best in the nation. We'll probably have a similar bump next year. I think Daniels and Bobinski will fight tooth-and-nail to keep that going.
 
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TheBoris said:
Why wouldn't Purdue match any offer from any SEC school? We no longer have a star gazer as president and a penny pincher as AD, we've got a president and an AD who have clearly made a committment to bringing Purdue back to the Big Time. It's not lip service, they've already done it.

So, once again, why would Purdue allow a Tennessee or an Arkansas to out bid Purdue for Brohm? Per the Indy Star, Purdue had attendance improve by 13,433 this year - best in the nation. We'll probably have a similar bump next year. I think Daniels and Bobinski will fight tooth-and-nail to keep that going.
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Stats are just that....numbers based on previous numbers. A 13K improvement this year after a 15K downturn last year doesn't mean much in and of itself, other than a 2K net loss.

UT has a rabid fan base...huge with a lot of money to donate. I'm guessing Brohm will be offered any number of jobs where money from the fan base isn't the option it is at Purdue.

That being said, I like Mitch and know that he'll do what he can to make the program better because he understands.
 
TwinDegrees2 said:
Stats are just that....numbers based on previous numbers. A 13K improvement this year after a 15K downturn last year doesn't mean much in and of itself, other than a 2K net loss.

UT has a rabid fan base...huge with a lot of money to donate. I'm guessing Brohm will be offered any number of jobs where money from the fan base isn't the option it is at Purdue.

That being said, I like Mitch and know that he'll do what he can to make the program better because he understands.
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You want nothing more than this to be true - but it isn't and won't be. Brohm actually likes the situation he has at Purdue. Coaching in the BIG West is an easier path to the Playoffs than playing in the SEC East, especially after Florida and Tennessee fix their programs (with someone other than Brohm), and you know they eventually will. Granted, the SEC West is tougher than the SEC East.
 
TwinDegrees2 said:
Stats are just that....numbers based on previous numbers. A 13K improvement this year after a 15K downturn last year doesn't mean much in and of itself, other than a 2K net loss.

UT has a rabid fan base...huge with a lot of money to donate. I'm guessing Brohm will be offered any number of jobs where money from the fan base isn't the option it is at Purdue.

That being said, I like Mitch and know that he'll do what he can to make the program better because he understands.
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This isn't true. The attendance pretty much went down every year after D-Haze became the coach. The improvement with Brohm is real and he's only just starting at Purdue. Purdue is going to start selling out games routinely, and will eventually add seats back into Ross-Ade. I think it'll go back to around 62,500.
 
SDBoiler1 said:
You want nothing more than this to be true - but it isn't and won't be. Brohm actually likes the situation he has at Purdue. Coaching in the BIG West is an easier path to the Playoffs than playing in the SEC East, especially after Florida and Tennessee fix their programs (with someone other than Brohm), and you know they eventually will. Granted, the SEC West is tougher than the SEC East.
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As I said, Brohm needs to go where he's happy, and where his family is happy. I could care less where he winds up after that.

If what so many are saying about an AD and Prez who will spend the bucks, if Brohm leaves they'll find someone else.
 
SDBoiler1 said:
This isn't true. The attendance pretty much went down every year after D-Haze became the coach. The improvement with Brohm is real and he's only just starting at Purdue. Purdue is going to start selling out games routinely, and will eventually add seats back into Ross-Ade. I think it'll go back to around 62,500.
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The AD, Mitch, and the BOT's appreciate your optimism.:)
 
SDBoiler1 said:
IU recruited a number of excellent skill position players and OL under Wilson. Cobbs, Jordan Howard, Tevin Coleman, Dan Feeney. Cody Latimer, Shane Wynn, Roger Saffold, Jason Spriggs, Stephen Houston are all either in the NFL or are going to be.

DeBord's system isn't the same as Wilson's.

IU being better has no correlation to being "better for everyone". Horrible argument.
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Jordan Howard was not recruited but a one year rental landing spot when UAB folded.

Not Wilson's system? DeBord is a pro style, two-back, run system. He ran some spread at Tennessee with a mobile QB which Lagow is not.

Here is a quote from August... "The up-tempo system under former Coach Kevin Wilson is gone. In its place will be a more pro-style offense under new associate head coach and offensive coordinator Mike DeBord."

Yesterday was all uptempo and chucking it deep. It will be interesting to see what they look like in Year 2.
 
RegionWarrior101 said:
Jordan Howard was not recruited but a one year rental landing spot when UAB folded.

Not Wilson's system? DeBord is a pro style, two-back, run system. He ran some spread at Tennessee with a mobile QB which Lagow is not.

Here is a quote from August... "The up-tempo system under former Coach Kevin Wilson is gone. In its place will be a more pro-style offense under new associate head coach and offensive coordinator Mike DeBord."

Yesterday was all uptempo and chucking it deep. It will be interesting to see what they look like in Year 2.
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I'm telling you. DeBord's system isn't the same as Wilson's. Just because an OC goes "up-tempo" doesn't mean they run the same system. Wilson ran an Air Raid-style of offense that used more downhill running than most Air Raid offenses (think Mike Leach, Kliff Kinsbury, or Art Briles), especially as his time at IU went by, because the BIG DCs got wise to the chuck the ball every down philosophy.

DeBord's system is more like Joe Tiller's than Wilson's. Allen and DeBord both know that a true pro-style, two-back system will not work at IU.
 
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