Bad Matchup (and other assorted excuses)

[tjreese]

wonder what pat riley thought about CS's game yesterday.

I doubt he learned anything new. Biggie is downgraded due to athleticism and his inability to finish sometimes with atheltic players is nothing new. He does work his butt off and will find the ball...and in the NBA most rebounds are still below the rim. I imagine Riley (boy did he age) was more impressed with the book ends of Michigan

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

I can't Really disagree with you. In defense of some of the short tempers here, we have been inundated with highly negative often emotional posters that seem absent after any win but show up in droves after the occasional loss.

Oddly most of the negative posters espouse wild theories as out why Purdue is not going to win another BB game. Like me, many regular posters here get tired of reading the bullshit and respond in kind.

Do you post after wins? I don't see you here unless we lose , at least that I can recall. Maybe it is reasonable to get you confused with those who are not Purdue fans? Sorry for the mistaken identity. No harm done, but you can easily see how the mistake could be made.

Don't confuse the timing of my posts with our wins/losses. I generally do not post on the basketball board, and our football record has been abysmal for several years. I may not post as frequently as you, but that doesn't diminish my support for our athletit's program. Malcontent isn't the opposite of content, it's apathy.

 

[lbodel]

I doubt he learned anything new. Biggie is downgraded due to athleticism and his inability to finish sometimes with atheltic players is nothing new. He does work his butt off and will find the ball...and in the NBA most rebounds are still below the rim. I imagine Riley (boy did he age) was more impressed with the book ends of Michigan

I always get sucked into this rabbit hole - people are so funny about Swanigan and the NBA - it's like they're offended if someone suggests he's not ready. Yesterday you saw him basically disappear for a half. He was pretty average and it's not like he had 8 offensive rebounds either. I just don't think he's seen a ton of "challenge" in terms of talent level that can match up with him....similar to how things were a little more sky high until he was involved with pre-draft workouts. I don't doubt he's going to get drafted if he went and he likely will leave - I don't think he's going to sniff the NBA anytime soon though.

No, it's nothing new that he doesn't match up well with athletic players and has an inability to finish in those situations a lot. But he's also not done developing. I think the glass half full people in terms of him staying see it as he can stay, continue to improve (and boy did he improve from last year to this, but there's still a lot to go), can be on a top 10 basketball team next year that returns everyone around him that can help him shine, he'd likely be a favorite for national player of the year, etc. Of course, it all depends on his draft stock. If he's told he'd for sure be a first round pick, then yeah I'd probably assume he'll leave. But if he doesn't have that (and right now he's teetering on first/second round it seems...and that's based on the best part of his year), then I don't think it's absurd to even discuss how he could come back.

Whatever happens, happens!

And yes, Riley...did not look good.

 

[tjreese]

I always get sucked into this rabbit hole - people are so funny about Swanigan and the NBA - it's like they're offended if someone suggests he's not ready. Yesterday you saw him basically disappear for a half. He was pretty average and it's not like he had 8 offensive rebounds either. I just don't think he's seen a ton of "challenge" in terms of talent level that can match up with him....similar to how things were a little more sky high until he was involved with pre-draft workouts. I don't doubt he's going to get drafted if he went and he likely will leave - I don't think he's going to sniff the NBA anytime soon though.

No, it's nothing new that he doesn't match up well with athletic players and has an inability to finish in those situations a lot. But he's also not done developing. I think the glass half full people in terms of him staying see it as he can stay, continue to improve (and boy did he improve from last year to this, but there's still a lot to go), can be on a top 10 basketball team next year that returns everyone around him that can help him shine, he'd likely be a favorite for national player of the year, etc. Of course, it all depends on his draft stock. If he's told he'd for sure be a first round pick, then yeah I'd probably assume he'll leave. But if he doesn't have that (and right now he's teetering on first/second round it seems...and that's based on the best part of his year), then I don't think it's absurd to even discuss how he could come back.

Whatever happens, happens!

And yes, Riley...did not look good.

..all true, but the other side of the coin is that I doubt he improves his stats much if he stays. I think if he can get drafted reasonably high he goes, but I have nothing other than his comments last year and his family situation to make me think that. Biggie is a self made player and sometimes if you just watch him posting inside...he works his butt off...but he his stats have went down a bit. Course guarding Michigan away from the bucket does tend to lower your stats. Teams know he is the rebounder and keeping him off teh boards requires others to pick it up . Everything can change if he is a monster in the tourney. If he goes he will outwork those that don't bring their lunch bucket for whatever that is worth and if he returns...Purdue will have a LOT more versatility with added length and athleticism to go with the skill already their. Purdue could really be VERY good.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I always get sucked into this rabbit hole - people are so funny about Swanigan and the NBA - it's like they're offended if someone suggests he's not ready. Yesterday you saw him basically disappear for a half. He was pretty average and it's not like he had 8 offensive rebounds either. I just don't think he's seen a ton of "challenge" in terms of talent level that can match up with him....similar to how things were a little more sky high until he was involved with pre-draft workouts. I don't doubt he's going to get drafted if he went and he likely will leave - I don't think he's going to sniff the NBA anytime soon though.

No, it's nothing new that he doesn't match up well with athletic players and has an inability to finish in those situations a lot. But he's also not done developing. I think the glass half full people in terms of him staying see it as he can stay, continue to improve (and boy did he improve from last year to this, but there's still a lot to go), can be on a top 10 basketball team next year that returns everyone around him that can help him shine, he'd likely be a favorite for national player of the year, etc. Of course, it all depends on his draft stock. If he's told he'd for sure be a first round pick, then yeah I'd probably assume he'll leave. But if he doesn't have that (and right now he's teetering on first/second round it seems...and that's based on the best part of his year), then I don't think it's absurd to even discuss how he could come back.

Whatever happens, happens!

And yes, Riley...did not look good.

The reality is, he won't improve his NBA stock much in the next year, if at all, and the cost of finishing his degree isn't a factor, so he might as well go and start making money and being a full-time basketball player.

 

[TC4THREE]

That's really all he does. Then when he gets called out for the ridiculousness (especially during football season, because he can't grasp statistics and doesn't know shit about the game), he twists himself into a pretzel in order to save face. It's obvious that all he has in life is this board, as evidenced by the sheer frequency of his posts.

You are the epitome of everything that is wrong with Purdue fans in general. You trumpeted all the imaginary benefits of firing Hazell midseason just because you are an angry, bitter person and you wanted him fired. I told you there were no benefits to firing him in the middle of the year other than to satisfy angry, bitter people like yourself and you tried to make a bunch of things up. Just because you got embarrassed when your hero Parker didn't win a game (before getting arrested for drinking and driving), you can't get over it. That's fine. I understood everything completely except for I didn't think Bobinski would fire him as early as he ended up doing it. You understood absolutely nothing but try to cling to the early firing as your one thing you got right when in actuality you just kinda got what you wanted. In reality, you were a proponent of firing him just about every week along the way and eventually you got it. I was a proponent of either firing him before the season or waiting until the season played out to a point of no return to do it and I still think there was absolutely no benefit in getting rid of him at 3-3 as opposed to waiting 4 more games.

Anyway, your arguments are tired and lame and always devolve into your lame schtick of "fixed it for you" so I don't usually put much time in responding to you and give you the 5 seconds copy and paste response that you deserve because I know it drives you crazy and you'll try to keep responding.

 

[lbodel]

The reality is, he won't improve his NBA stock much in the next year, if at all, and the cost of finishing his degree isn't a factor, so he might as well go and start making money and being a full-time basketball player.

Well, let's agree to disagree. He changed his draft stock in the last 365 days, so not sure why he couldn't in the next. He's still the equivalent of a freshman in age. Again, I'm not saying he's not going to go, but I can see both sides to it.

 

[ghost_of_d.]

Man if I had a quarter for every time someone said "that teams a bad matchup for us" come tourney time, well let's just say I would have payed someone to perform my housebitch tension relieving pregame chores today. To wax nostalgic, remember back in the keady days, it was the committee dissing us by making us travel too far or too close to the other teams campus. Of course the ref excuse has always been a staple. Anyone have a favorite we've beat to death over the years?
I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but still keeping the faith. Hope the week off gives us a chance to recharge and come out on fire next week

After the particularly poor March performances in '95 and '96, another popular excuse was that the B10 didn't have a conference tourney, therefore the Boilers were at a disadvantage playing those teams that had been in that "tournament mindset" for a whole week already. I seem to remember that being Gene's go-to line after those losses, along with needing better athletes!

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

You are the epitome of everything that is wrong with Purdue fans in general. You trumpeted all the imaginary benefits of firing Hazell midseason just because you are an angry, bitter person and you wanted him fired. I told you there were no benefits to firing him in the middle of the year other than to satisfy angry, bitter people like yourself and you tried to make a bunch of things up. Just because you got embarrassed when your hero Parker didn't win a game (before getting arrested for drinking and driving), you can't get over it. That's fine. I understood everything completely except for I didn't think Bobinski would fire him as early as he ended up doing it. You understood absolutely nothing but try to cling to the early firing as your one thing you got right when in actuality you just kinda got what you wanted. In reality, you were a proponent of firing him just about every week along the way and eventually you got it. I was a proponent of either firing him before the season or waiting until the season played out to a point of no return to do it and I still think there was absolutely no benefit in getting rid of him at 3-3 as opposed to waiting 4 more games.

Anyway, your arguments are tired and lame and always devolve into your lame schtick of "fixed it for you" so I don't usually put much time in responding to you and give you the 5 seconds copy and paste response that you deserve because I know it drives you crazy and you'll try to keep responding.

Triggering you is so easy.

 

[TC4THREE]

Triggering you is so easy.

Making EastCoastTrash look like a fool is easy.

 

[TC4THREE]

Except for the part where we got tight and lost the lead late. THAT'S the only concern I really have.

Believe me that is obvious. Don't want to spend much time figuring out reasons. You just know you didn't like the outcome so you try to find a simple-minded explanation to assign the blame the same way each time.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

Making EastCoastTrash look like a fool is easy.

When you make up your own "facts," anything is possible.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Believe me that is obvious. Don't want to spend much time figuring out reasons. You just know you didn't like the outcome so you try to find a simple-minded explanation to assign the blame the same way each time.

Incorrect. I was on record before the game predicting the loss, because it's an awful matchup for us.

Its just alarming the way it unfolded in such a similar fashion as the last 2 NCAA losses.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Well, let's agree to disagree. He changed his draft stock in the last 365 days, so not sure why he couldn't in the next. He's still the equivalent of a freshman in age. Again, I'm not saying he's not going to go, but I can see both sides to it.

There's a difference between improving your game, and improving your NBA stock. For whatever reason, NBA execs tend to view juniors and seniors as finished products, whereas freshmen and sophomores still have "upside".

In other words, if he were to stay, he would have to improve significantly over the next year just to maintain his late 1st/early 2nd round projection, as next years frost and soph classes would be considered as having more upside.

 

[lbodel]

There's a difference between improving your game, and improving your NBA stock. For whatever reason, NBA execs tend to view juniors and seniors as finished products, whereas freshmen and sophomores still have "upside".

In other words, if he were to stay, he would have to improve significantly over the next year just to maintain his late 1st/early 2nd round projection, as next years frost and soph classes would be considered as having more upside.

That's a black and white look - even though he'd be a junior, age wise he's still a sophomore and this year's draft class is considered loaded. So those are also factors.

I get what you are saying and I'm not saying Swanigan is going to stay, I would doubt it. But I also don't think you can dismiss what he could do next year with an even better team - a Wooden award winner would not be put aside because his classification as a junior, even though he's a sophomore in age.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That's a black and white look - even though he'd be a junior, age wise he's still a sophomore and this year's draft class is considered loaded. So those are also factors.

I get what you are saying and I'm not saying Swanigan is going to stay, I would doubt it. But I also don't think you can dismiss what he could do next year with an even better team - a Wooden award winner would not be put aside because his classification as a junior, even though he's a sophomore in age.

Your point about the loaded freshman class is on point. That may help to mitigate the inevitable "upperclassman slide" down the draft board.

He turns 20 next month, so he is a young sophomore, but is sophomore-aged. And his relative lack of size and athleticism will work against him.

Draymond Green is a great example of an upperclassman who was better than just about everyone in the draft, but fell out of the first round due to a perceived lack of upside. Idiotic, but that's the NBA mentality now.

 

[TC4THREE]

Incorrect. I was on record before the game predicting the loss, because it's an awful matchup for us.

Its just alarming the way it unfolded in such a similar fashion as the last 2 NCAA losses.

It didn't. The past two seasons when lost in the NCAA tournament on things that were our Achilles heel all season long. We lost to Michigan because we faltered at something that was not just a strength for us, but something we were historically good at in the conference season.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

It didn't. The past two seasons when lost in the NCAA tournament on things that were our Achilles heel all season long. We lost to Michigan because we faltered at something that was not just a strength for us, but something we were historically good at in the conference season.

Getting tight at the end is what cost is the game, not just going 6-13 from the line. We were lucky it even went to OT.

 

[TC4THREE]

Getting tight at the end is what cost is the game, not just going 6-13 from the line. We were lucky it even went to OT.

Going 6-13 is what cost us the game. Not even in question.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Going 6-13 is what cost us the game. Not even in question.

You don't think getting tight contributed to that, or the missed bunnies?

You take out a lucky halfcourt heave and 9-13 doesn't even get it done.

 

[tjreese]

It didn't. The past two seasons when lost in the NCAA tournament on things that were our Achilles heel all season long. We lost to Michigan because we faltered at something that was not just a strength for us, but something we were historically good at in the conference season.

Additionally, you could feel Purdue losing a grip on the win the last two years in the NCAA, but with 30 seconds left I felt good about PJ hitting the FTs and so that game was nip and tuck with Purdue in great shape with 30 seconds left and the other...the clock couldn't wind down quick enough

 

[Wolegib]

yes, it was a disappointing outcome, and yes it followed a trend of previous losses by Purdue in a tournament game. We had the lead, a FT would clinch the win and we missed. But throughout the game, Purdue proved it was the better team, and it was a good game plan. but Purdue missed so many easy buckets. The key to our future is simply execution of the simple things. That is why Butler is so successful. We have the talent! Now, go out and do it!

 

[TC4THREE]

You don't think getting tight contributed to that, or the missed bunnies?

You take out a lucky halfcourt heave and 9-13 doesn't even get it done.

Oh good grief. Now we're taking away made baskets just so it will take more free throws to win.

Guess what? He hit it so it counts. Therefore our downfall was free throws. Not hard to understand.

 

[BoilerAndy]

After the particularly poor March performances in '95 and '96, another popular excuse was that the B10 didn't have a conference tourney, therefore the Boilers were at a disadvantage playing those teams that had been in that "tournament mindset" for a whole week already. I seem to remember that being Gene's go-to line after those losses, along with needing better athletes!

Before that, the justification for the B10 doing well in the NCAA tourney was that they DIDN'T play a championship tournament, so they weren't tired and beat up going into the NCAA.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Oh good grief. Now we're taking away made baskets just so it will take more free throws to win.

Guess what? He hit it so it counts. Therefore our downfall was free throws. Not hard to understand.

I'm just going along with your "well if we hit our normal percentage" rationale.

If we hit our normal percentage on 40+ foot shots, we lose. Goes both ways.

 

[samcboiler]

Man if I had a quarter for every time someone said "that teams a bad matchup for us" come tourney time, well let's just say I would have payed someone to perform my housebitch tension relieving pregame chores today. To wax nostalgic, remember back in the keady days, it was the committee dissing us by making us travel too far or too close to the other teams campus. Of course the ref excuse has always been a staple. Anyone have a favorite we've beat to death over the years?
I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but still keeping the faith. Hope the week off gives us a chance to recharge and come out on fire next week

After the particularly poor March performances in '95 and '96, another popular excuse was that the B10 didn't have a conference tourney, therefore the Boilers were at a disadvantage playing those teams that had been in that "tournament mindset" for a whole week already. I seem to remember that being Gene's go-to line after those losses, along with needing better athletes!

I loved Gene K. However, every time we / he lost in the tournament, he said "we need better athletes". he threw the team under the bus and in reality he was unknowingly criticizing himself. I forgot about this.... thanks for reminding me. Painter would NEVER do this to his team.

 

[TC4THREE]

I'm just going along with your "well if we hit our normal percentage" rationale.

If we hit our normal percentage on 40+ foot shots, we lose. Goes both ways.

This is dumb. We lost because we went 6-13 from the ft line in an overtime game. You can try to avoid that reality all you want. It won't make it any less true.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

This is dumb. We lost because we went 6-13 from the ft line in an overtime game. You can try to avoid that reality all you want. It won't make it any less true.

You don't think getting tight contributed to any missed free throws or missed bunnies?

 

[tjreese]

You don't think getting tight contributed to any missed free throws or missed bunnies?

Ill lean that way to FTs, but the bunnies were missed due to length and athleticism and/or quickness inside imo

 

[TC4THREE]

You don't think getting tight contributed to any missed free throws or missed bunnies?

No

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

No

Just further evidence that you don't know shit about sports...it's painfully evident you didn't play them either.

 

[TC4THREE]

Just further evidence that you don't know shit about sports...it's painfully evident you didn't play them either.

I played when I was younger and I do pretty well gambling on them now. It's painfully obvious to me that you're just an angry, bitter person whose happiness depends entirely on his sports teams because your life sucks otherwise. That's why you are probably the most vile, disgusting human being I've ever seen post here. And since you think I live on these boards due to many posts over 15 years, that really means something!

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

I played when I was younger and I do pretty well gambling on them now. It's painfully obvious to me that you're just an angry, bitter person whose happiness depends entirely on his sports teams because your life sucks otherwise. That's why you are probably the most vile, disgusting human being I've ever seen post here. And since you think I live on these boards due to many posts over 15 years, that really means something!

Pray tell, why were you posting at 1:30 this morning? Did you just wrap up the late shift at McDonald's?

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

I pretended to play when I was younger and I act like a know-it-all to compensate for my envy of real athletes. It's painfully obvious to everyone here that I'm just a mediocre, insignificant person whose happiness depends upon pontificating on this sports board because my life sucks otherwise. That's why I'm the biggest "little man" you've ever seen post here. And since you can see that I live on these boards due to many posts over 15 years, that really means something!

Fixed to reflect perfect reality.

 

[TC4THREE]

Pray tell, why were you posting at 1:30 this morning? Did you just wrap up the late shift at McDonald's?

I have a college degree and my job is in that field. That said, if I was employed at McDonald's, would there be anything wrong with that? Do you just look down on everyone in the service entry? Funny because at the grocery store the other day there was some angry old lady causing a scene at the customer service desk about something ridiculously insignificant. Didn't think much about it at the time other than how everyone was looking at her like me and thinking, "Man this angry, bitter, old lady needs to get a life." Now I realize this is probably exactly how you are. Some marginal, angry, bitter person who only feels good about their own life when they can wield what little power they have over people they can FEEL superior to.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

I have a college degree and my job is in that field.

Sure you do...not.

 

[TC4THREE]

Sure you do...not.

OK. You would know better than me!

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

OK. You were right yet again!

Fixed.

 

[mathboy]

Just further evidence that you don't know shit about sports...it's painfully evident you didn't play them either.

For crying out loud. Take a break East Coast. We missed FTs throughout the game. Nothing to do with getting tight at the end. FT shooting is concentration. We were not focused on this game for what ever reason. We did not get tight at the end. We lost the game throughout both halves.

As for your stupid feud with TC3, get control of your emotions and stop being such a little bitch on these boards. Take it from me, a neutral party, you are not looking good here. Reset and return. No need to pick a fight in every thread. We love ya, but not when you haven't had your first cup of coffee!

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

For crying out loud. Take a break East Coast. We missed FTs throughout the game. Nothing to do with getting tight at the end. FT shooting is concentration. We were not focused on this game for what ever reason. We did not get tight at the end. We lost the game throughout both halves.

As for your stupid feud with TC3, get control of your emotions and stop being such a little bitch on these boards. Take it from me, a neutral party, you are not looking good here. Reset and return. No need to pick a fight in every thread. We love ya, but not when you haven't had your first cup of coffee!

I'll agree to disagree re: the sequence of events at the end our BTT game.

Re: bullying the bully, the little man deserves it for the asinine tone in his posts.