I threw UConn in just to add two and someone to the East so we can keep Purdue in the West. Houston would bring in revenue and I think UT is toxic and can't think of another Texas school that would be of any interest.
B1G Expansion Thought...
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I threw UConn in just to add two and someone to the East so we can keep Purdue in the West. Houston would bring in revenue and I think UT is toxic and can't think of another Texas school that would be of any interest.
Colorado remains a possibility. They're losing money in the Pac-12, have huge travel costs and the Pac-12 Network is a train wreck. Their main rival for many years was Nebraska.
http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-colle...lorado-athletics-facing-5-6-million-shortfall
http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-colle...lorado-athletics-facing-5-6-million-shortfall
I am sure Colorado would love to join the B1G. But I doubt the feeling is mutual.
This article is a few years old but at the time explained their separation
http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.c...homa-and-oklahoma-state-really-a-package-deal
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Plus the BTN and the B1G's TV contract would solve their revenue problems.
That won't happen very often. They'd be in the West Division.
Plus the BTN and the B1G's TV contract would solve their revenue problems.
This. No matter how much of a stink T. Boone raises, Okie State is going to get left behind. There's no way we would take OU and OSU. I think OU is marginal without a UT or maybe UVA to offset them.
Good discussion here. I'm an expansion junkie also.. it's like a real life game of Risk. My go-to source on it is Frank the Tank's Slant.
It seems like ND and Texas are the two crown jewels. B10 has always wanted ND, but various sticking points, notably the B10's requirement that ND has to join the conference in every sport, kept the two sides from joining.
On the one hand I'm glad the B10 didn't bow to ND's wishes. On the other hand, didn't the ACC win this battle? ND plays 6 games against ACC schools a year. Maybe with a big fish like ND, you need to slowly reel them in.
My concern is that Texas is the same way. If we truly want Texas, should the B10 do something creative with them in order to secure them in the future? And not be so stuck on the fact that they have their LHN...
But a secondary point is that, like other posters, I'm not completely convinced I want Texas. Yes, they are a powerhouse in every way. But they seem like a conference cancer. I want the school, but not all the Texas politics that come with it. A&M would have been ideal IMO.
I would much rather have UNC and Virginia - expand east - instead of getting more stagnant midwest states. But with the way the B12 is collapsing, I can see Oklahoma and Kansas being available much sooner... and I think the B10 HAS to pick them up.
It seems like ND and Texas are the two crown jewels. B10 has always wanted ND, but various sticking points, notably the B10's requirement that ND has to join the conference in every sport, kept the two sides from joining.
On the one hand I'm glad the B10 didn't bow to ND's wishes. On the other hand, didn't the ACC win this battle? ND plays 6 games against ACC schools a year. Maybe with a big fish like ND, you need to slowly reel them in.
My concern is that Texas is the same way. If we truly want Texas, should the B10 do something creative with them in order to secure them in the future? And not be so stuck on the fact that they have their LHN...
But a secondary point is that, like other posters, I'm not completely convinced I want Texas. Yes, they are a powerhouse in every way. But they seem like a conference cancer. I want the school, but not all the Texas politics that come with it. A&M would have been ideal IMO.
I would much rather have UNC and Virginia - expand east - instead of getting more stagnant midwest states. But with the way the B12 is collapsing, I can see Oklahoma and Kansas being available much sooner... and I think the B10 HAS to pick them up.
No, the B10 is bigger and better than any one school. It's what has made the conference what it is from a stability and success stand point. Making exceptions for a new school to get them to join is only going to cause issues. You don't think OSU would then went some exceptions and preferential treatment or Michigan. And Texas throwing it's weight around and demanding exceptions from the rest of the conference is what has caused the Big 12 to slowly implode. Only way a conference can survive is for all members to be treated equal.
Pass on Houston and UConn. Wouldn't increase the size of the pie enough, per team revenue shares would go down. Hmmm 4th largest city and metro area in the US would also probably get you into San Antonio and Galveston that's a lot of subscribers Almost like adding another Chicagoland area!
It ain't just football traveling, ALL the sports have to travel to the Eastern Teams in all the other sports, ND still has big travel budgets like they did in the East Coast Conference since they now play in the ACC. Colorado's would be large as would Houston and Texas if they joined...that's what started me thinking about the geographical extensions like Kansas and WV!
wonder if Delaney has ever made a run at A & M. Similar money, easier path to playoff.
Thinking greedy and longer term,
I still think a complete separation of power program football from the NCAA is likely
With that separation and media ever changing, there may not even be a need for current conference alignments, so expansion talk could turn to contraction/inclusion - who is included in the 'power football league'
An expanded playoff seems imminent.
And power teams could schedule even more marquee matchups throughout a season with high revenue pay per view options different than today.
A small positive is that traditional conferences could be retained (even reset) for all other sports which could benefit cost control (less travel), traditional rivalries, etc
I still think a complete separation of power program football from the NCAA is likely
With that separation and media ever changing, there may not even be a need for current conference alignments, so expansion talk could turn to contraction/inclusion - who is included in the 'power football league'
An expanded playoff seems imminent.
And power teams could schedule even more marquee matchups throughout a season with high revenue pay per view options different than today.
A small positive is that traditional conferences could be retained (even reset) for all other sports which could benefit cost control (less travel), traditional rivalries, etc
I don't see a break in conference affiliation as the strong conferences (SEC, BIG 10, PAC) will be focused on protecting their members for inclusion. But I could see them working together to get more freedom from the NCAA but they all kind of look down on each other now, so no way will any of them let members get left behind.
ACC extended their GOR through 2036. 20 more years.
Read all about their new deal w ESPN, ACCN, GOR extension here...(and ND info)
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...year-rights-deal-lead-2019-launch-acc-network
At this point, I don't consider anyone from the ACC or PAC as options. I know VA and NC are/were the big pieces that both the B1G (UVA, UNC) and the SEC (VT, NCST) were hoping to acquire for markets, etc, but IMO they are no longer a possibility. At least, there will be BXII options long before anyone from the ACC would challenge their GOR.
CO is a nice thought but from what I can gather they enjoy being in the PAC with their liberal CA friends, and others on the West Coast. And I don't think they offer anything we couldn't get from possible BXII schools. Plus the B1G and the PAC are longtime friends and Rose Bowl partners, I don't see the B1G raiding the PAC unnecessarily.
Mizzou is an outside chance as they wanted to be B1G before we rejected them for NEB, but I also think they are a long-shot. If a goal is to reassemble the four flagships of the old Big 8 (OU, KU, Mizz, NEB), then they would be someone the B1G would go after. I don't think there are any other schools from the SEC we would want (unless we could get Florida, which isn't happening).
Otherwise, I think B1G expansion options are limited to those we have discussed. Best of the BXII and UConn.
And yes, there was talk of the B1G approaching TX A&M during the same time we approached NEB. Vetting, etc etc, but they were never seriously pursued. Texas brings ALL of TX, including Houston. Hell they already have their own network they are so popular in the state (altho is hasn't done well overall.) Houston aka "Cougar High" would be a non-starter based on their academics alone (imo).
Swofford has repeatedly said that ND is contractually obligated to join the ACC but the contract itself has not been made public and not one person at ND - president, AD, coach, no one - has confirmed this.
A little history here. When ND was in the Big East for everything but football, Big East Commish Mike Tranghese said again and again and again that ND was contractually obligated to pay the $5 million exit fee if they departed just like other conference members. When ND actually left the BE, they didn't pay a dime.
A little history here. When ND was in the Big East for everything but football, Big East Commish Mike Tranghese said again and again and again that ND was contractually obligated to pay the $5 million exit fee if they departed just like other conference members. When ND actually left the BE, they didn't pay a dime.
I didn't think ND had to join the ACC as much as the ACC was guaranteed first shot to land them, so basically they have to listen to the ACC pitch for them to join or something stupid like that.
I'm still not convinced the ACC network will ever get off the ground. And if it doesn't, the GOR can definitely be challenged and beat in courts. But you're right, otherwise it makes the ACC off limits for probably 10 years.
It don't forget our contract we just signed is a short one (6 years?). That's not a coincidence.
