B1G Expansion Thought...

[ghostoffatjack]

Question not worrying about the academic side that apparently is paramount or required to join the B1G...would adding 2 teams, one each in both divisions add any DOLLARS to what the schools earn in the TV contracts? While it seems to be football driven would adding, say for example Kansas and West Virginia one a basketball power and the other better that decent, make the 1) the money increase 2) create better traveling partners for all the other sports for the schools and make it balanced for scheduling? ( Not locked in to adding these two particular schools just provided as an example)

 

[IronChefBBQ]

Careful. It would mean realignment of the divisions and that would likely kill any chance of us every winning one...

 

[Fan4Life]

In general, it depends on the market you add. Kansas wouldn't bring that many TV sets to BTN - same with West Virginia. My guess is that further expansion would be targeted to either the east coast or south. Something near Boston or someone out of the SEC or Big 12 would add a large state and whole new area.

 

[TC4THREE]

Notre Dame
Texas
UNC
Virginia

I think these are the schools that could trigger B1G expansion. Could see a few others considered if they need someone to get one of these in on their own.

 

[TheBoris]

Oklahoma and Colorado should be added to that list. The Big XII is a train wreck and the Pac-12 Network is losing money.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Notre Dame
Texas
UNC
Virginia

I think these are the schools that could trigger B1G expansion. Could see a few others considered if they need someone to get one of these in on their own.

I agree. This is the list that would make the B1G move. You might add OU as a partner even though they aren't an AAU school (coming with UT for example). Georgia Tech is a remote possibility too.

 

[TheBoris]

The ACC schools just signed a 20-year Grant of Rights. Forget about UNC, UVA and GT. Unclear if ND is also on the hook with the GOR.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

I guess I don't know or understand adding the market since I live in Houston area and just about everyone in the 4th largest city in the US has the BTN on either ATTDirect TV or Comcast and we are not in the B1G footprint!

 

[TC4THREE]

The ACC schools just signed a 20-year Grant of Rights. Forget about UNC, UVA and GT. Unclear if ND is also on the hook with the GOR.

I don't pretend to know everything about those agreements but I've heard some people question how they would hold up in court. I would doubt any ACC team would challenge it in the near future since they just agreed and got ESPN to create an ACC Network. If there is a large revenue gap 5-10 years down the road I would expect the large schools to start looking around. UNC in particular could pick to go SEC or Big Ten.

 

[njm8845]

I guess I don't know or understand adding the market since I live in Houston area and just about everyone in the 4th largest city in the US has the BTN on either ATTDirect TV or Comcast and we are not in the B1G footprint!

It's not about if the btn is on tv...it's about what they can charge. If you're located in a home market, they can charge quite a bit more.

I also remember reading something where if ND joins a conference in the next X years, it must be the ACC. I think the ship has sailed for ND.

Seems like Oklahoma/Kansas is the most likely.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Do you think the Regents at Oklahoma would approve without Oklahoma State going along?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Do you think the Regents at Oklahoma would approve without Oklahoma State going along?

I would rather have Oklahoma and Texas.

 

[TheBoris]

It's not about if the btn is on tv...it's about what they can charge. If you're located in a home market, they can charge quite a bit more.

I also remember reading something where if ND joins a conference in the next X years, it must be the ACC. I think the ship has sailed for ND.

Seems like Oklahoma/Kansas is the most likely.

The ACC commish says that ND is obligated to join the ACC. However, the contractual agreement has not been made public and not one ND official has confirmed this.

 

[Cleanface]

Do you think the Regents at Oklahoma would approve without Oklahoma State going along?

That is a point of debate. KU and KSU are not joined at the hip, that has been confirmed. OU fans want OU to NOT be joined to OKST, but no one is sure.

• ACC schools are locked in w new GOR and (((promise))) of a network from ESPN. IMO no eastern expansion (NC, VA) unless it's UConn. Not 100% sure about ND bc of their NBC deal (exp 2025).
• I believe there will be a Power 4 with 16-18 per (B1G, SEC, PAC, ACC), and a final AAC type with current AAC and leftover BXII.
• I also think The Playoff will be expanded to six schools, with the P4 Conference Championships being a Semi-Final (8 schools playing for Champs) and the winners automatic qualifiers + two additional schools (AAC/BXII winner, or another P4).
• WV is the worst academic school in the P5. Never B1G.

Our (B1Gs) next moves will come from the BXII as their GOR expires in 2025 and they are on a death spiral with rumors of looking around already starting (could happen sooner than 2025) OU, KU, TX. An additional school like OKST or Texas Tech (remember the "Tech problem" discussed between tOSU President E. Gordon Gee and TX Athletic Director/Pres in leaked discussions in/around the time of the NEB invitation), may come along with, to secure those three schools. If no "tag-along" needed, maybe UConn to the NYC/East. Doubtful ACC GOR will be challenged by current ACC members before that time, but again, not 100% sure about the Domers.

• OU President David Boren and admins favor the B1G (over SEC).
• KU favors the B1G.
• TX leans B1G (academics, prestige, $) with a very slight PAC lean as well.
• Most think B1G is #1 destination (for OU, TX, KU - or two of them) with PAC #2 for a larger group (OU, OKST, TX, TTech, KU, KSU, etc)
• TX will "never" go SEC (terrible academics, doesn't want to follow A&M, aligns itself academic/research with the UM, WI, PSU, PUR, CAL, UCLA, WASH of the world)
• OU (non-AAU) wants to upgrade academics, research, etc etc, along with rejoin NEB, etc. Currently on par with NEB and KU academically.
• Confirmed that OU and KU have been vetted by B1G as package move.
• TX Longhorn Network is a sticking point as they have deal with ESPN thru late 2020's. LHN logistics would have to be absorbed by BTN or similar, or ESPN would have to be cut into the BTN pie if they were to forfeit LHN rights. Could be that TX forfeits BTN monies until their LHN deal runs out, so they still get paid.
• 16-18 school conference could go to a "pod" system, or have split divisions; 4-4-4-4, 6-6-6. In 4-4-4-4 you would play the 3 in your "pod" every year, and two in each other pod, rotating opponents every other year. Or the B1G could go to 10 game schedule which has been discussed on BTN already.

I am kindof a conference expansion junkie, so I'd love to discuss.

 

[TC4THREE]

So you don't think Oklahoma not being AAU doesn't keep them out of the Big Ten?

 

[Cleanface]

No way.

OU and TX are probably the last two true football "blue-bloods" to ever be available thru expansion. OU is good enough academically. It's not like they're OKST, or WVU, or Louisville. They are ranked close to NEB and KU. NEB lost the AAU, so we are not 100% AAU right now. (edit; fun fact - MSU was not AAU when they joined in 1950 vs 1964 (AAU))

Notre Dame isn't AAU either, but I know we'd take them as a full member. But ND is top-notch and everyone knows it.

Jim Delany said this is 2010 (RE rankings and AAU);

Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany downplayed that Tuesday by saying: "I don't know about rankings in a magazine. I think AAU membership is an important part of who we are, an important aspect of what makes an institution a research institution that serves the public."

But Delany stopped short of saying it would be a requirement for entry — "I don't know what's mandatory because we are not there yet"

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...ten-expansion-commissioner-jim-delany-rutgers

And from what I've read elsewhere, AAU is not a "requirement", but like above, it's important. IMO it wouldn't keep OU or ND out.

OU is a Tier 1/R1 Carnegie Research University aka "R1: Doctoral Universities – Highest Research Activity" which is a prestigious marker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...sities_.E2.80.93_Highest_Research_Activity.22

The B1G would love to have the iconic Oklahoma vs Nebraska rivalry as the jewel of the Western Div, much like OSU v UM in the East.

 

[bled1720]

In general, it depends on the market you add. Kansas wouldn't bring that many TV sets to BTN - same with West Virginia. My guess is that further expansion would be targeted to either the east coast or south. Something near Boston or someone out of the SEC or Big 12 would add a large state and whole new area.

You say you don't want Kansas or West Virginia but someone maybe from the Big 12?

They are both in the Big 12...

 

[Cleanface]

I'm sure that poster meant an Oklahoma/Texas addition rather than Kansas/WVU.

Anway, Kansas is a national brand and BBall "blue-blood" ala NEB in FBall. Small market, but big brand. AAU, blue-blood, etc etc. KU is a no-brainer as it lifts the entire B1G BBall profile nationally (even tho we are damn good regardless). More overall eyeballs across the entire country. An OU pairing would be ideal (imo).

The other thing about KU is that it's contiguous to NEB > OK and TX, "a bridge" if you will. I think the powers of the B1G favor the Conf being contiguous very much, and if we want OU/TX, then KU might need to be the first piece. Anyway, that's up for debate.

If the B1G snags OU/TX and skips the "contiguous" part, I still think KU ends up sitting pretty in the SEC with an OKST or WVU. SEC could use another AAU school, along with a BBlood BBall to go with Kentucky. And they would renew the Mizzou/KU boarder-war.

Overall, I think it's safe to say OU, TX, and KU will end up in fine homes. Not sure about the rest of the BXII (although WVU might be #4 safest as they may end up with SEC or ACC options (paired w UConn or ND if they ever join full)). The "other" TX schools, KSU, ISU, and OKST are hard to place as they are less desirable (unless the PAC wants to add them all for CST timezone and TX eyeball $$$ locales).

 

[TheBoris]

The worst academic school in the P5 is Louisville, not West Virginia.

 

[TC4THREE]

No way.

OU and TX are probably the last two true football "blue-bloods" to ever be available thru expansion. OU is good enough academically. It's not like they're OKST, or WVU, or Louisville. They are ranked close to NEB and KU. NEB lost the AAU, so we are not 100% AAU right now. (edit; fun fact - MSU was not AAU when they joined in 1950 vs 1964 (AAU))

Notre Dame isn't AAU either, but I know we'd take them as a full member. But ND is top-notch and everyone knows it.

Jim Delany said this is 2010 (RE rankings and AAU);



http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...ten-expansion-commissioner-jim-delany-rutgers

And from what I've read elsewhere, AAU is not a "requirement", but like above, it's important. IMO it wouldn't keep OU or ND out.

OU is a Tier 1/R1 Carnegie Research University aka "R1: Doctoral Universities – Highest Research Activity" which is a prestigious marker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...sities_.E2.80.93_Highest_Research_Activity.22

The B1G would love to have the iconic Oklahoma vs Nebraska rivalry as the jewel of the Western Div, much like OSU v UM in the East.

I had always assumed the exception he was leaving room for was only Notre Dame (obviously at least them because we have offered them before). I don't disagree that Oklahoma would be a fit otherwise but I have never really been convinced that the Big Ten would look past the AAU thing with them. They got Nebraska in before they lost that status.

Have you seen anything official about the Big Ten vetting Oklahoma?

 

[indianphil]

POTFIrish! They are just too good for us and they will never join a conference for football! That ship sailed years ago and it is still at sea where it needs to remain. In my mind the ACC falls apart because ESPN cant get a viable and profitable ACC Network together. tic and fwiw.

 

[Cleanface]

The worst academic school in the P5 is Louisville, not West Virginia.

Did they fall below WVU? My statement was based on 2014 or 15.

I know they are the bottom two pretty much every year.

 

[Cleanface]

Have you seen anything official about the Big Ten vetting Oklahoma?

Vetting, having a "look-see", "doing homework on" (KU, Vandy, OU), etc etc.

As a sidenote, two sources have told The World-Herald that the Big Ten has done prior “homework” on Oklahoma, Kansas and Vanderbilt among other schools who might some day be expansion targets. The Big 12 grant-of-rights deal didn’t stop a look-see for OU and KU.

From 2013.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...en-did-expansion-homework-on-oklahoma-others/

Yes, it is known that the B1G has vetted several schools, one of them being OU.

 

[TC4THREE]

Vetting, having a "look-see", "doing homework on" (KU, Vandy, OU), etc etc.

From 2013.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...en-did-expansion-homework-on-oklahoma-others/

Yes, it is known that the B1G has vetted several schools, one of them being OU.

This shows that they've been looked at but it doesn't say anything about what conclusions were drawn. I guess it's fair to say they've been vetted but I've still seen nothing that makes me certain they'd get an invite. Just to be clear, I'm not saying they wouldn't either. I'm just not sure how anyone can be so certain either way based on the things I've seen to date.

 

[Cleanface]

POTFIrish! They are just too good for us and they will never join a conference for football! That ship sailed years ago and it is still at sea where it needs to remain. In my mind the ACC falls apart because ESPN cant get a viable and profitable ACC Network together. tic and fwiw.

The ACC, IMO, is basically a creation of ESPN at this point. They destroyed the Big East, moved the pieces and uplifted the ACC. A hybrid-frankenstein-clusterF of mismatched schools that have no real identity or history. BBall schools, FBall schools, metros, Tobacco Road, Deep south, northern Boston, great public flagships (UVA UNC), small privates, religious schools (ND BC), terrible public schools (UoL). However, ESPN has fully hitched their wagon to the SEC and this ACC, so I don't think the ACC will be going anywhere.

The recent ACC GOR and promise of a network (after ESPN told the BXII that a network wasn't an option), has put the bulls-eye fully on the back of the BXII, and it seems to be working as the BXII is completely unstable. The fact that Texas won't give up their LHN network, and has politicians making demands about expansion (WE WANT HOUSTON!!!), doesn't help matters.

That's one thing that scares me about adding a Texas is, would they be able to take marching orders from Chicago?? Play nice with the rest of the B1G, whereas they have been able to run the show and throw their weight around in the SWC and BXII forever?? Not sure. Most OU and other fans think they are a complete cancer, and warn against anyone adding TX.

There are other thoughts/scenarios with TX going to the ACC as a partial member like Notre Dame, then folding their LHN into the new ACCN as they are both ESPN ventures. ND and TX could work together to secure themselves as FBall independents, and still play their rivals every year (TX could still schedule OU, TX schools, etc), but neither ever have to join a Conf fully. Another reason the ACC is a joke. This is an outside shot, but I could see it as ND and TX are two of the biggest brands/blue-bloods in the history of CFB. If any two schools could do something like this, it would be ND and TX.

Many TX leaks confirm the B1G as #1 destination, but there are always scenarios. I could do a whole thread on Texas.

 

[Cleanface]

This shows that they've been looked at but it doesn't say anything about what conclusions were drawn. I guess it's fair to say they've been vetted but I've still seen nothing that makes me certain they'd get an invite. Just to be clear, I'm not saying they wouldn't either. I'm just not sure how anyone can be so certain either way based on the things I've seen to date.

Well first, you probably won't see anything "certain" as, unlike the BXII, the B1G is insanely tight-lipped about these things. I think with many things like; them being vetted (even tho the B1G knew they weren't AAU), being a blue-blood national brand, good academics regardless of AAU, history with NEB (and many say Tom Osborne is involved dealing with Old Big 8 schools (KU and OU)), and things like this, one can safely assume they'd be invited.

But you're right, there is nothing 100% certain or said in stone. Delany always stops himself short. And with current BXII GOR etc, they aren't going to touch the subject publicly as OU could then be sued and accused of breaching the GOR by expressing they are looking to leave Conf. Especially with what's been going on with the BXII recently. TOXIC. This will all be hush hush for the next few years, IMO, then we will begin to see some movement.

 

[IndyRider]

That's one thing that scares me about adding a Texas is, would they be able to take marching orders from Chicago?? Play nice with the rest of the B1G, whereas they have been able to run the show and throw their weight around in the SWC and BXII forever?? Not sure. Most OU and other fans think they are a complete cancer, and warn against anyone adding TX.

Texas had a lot to do with the start of the collapse of Big 12 to begin with. With their Texas sized ego, I don't think they can play well in any conference as they refuse to look at themselves as equal partners with the rest of any conference. So I'd prefer the BIG passes on them. Texas maybe the one school that can truly compete with ND in the ego department, though I think if ND did decide to join a conference they would play nice. I don't think Texas is ever capable of that and will instantly cause tension and expect preferential treatment where ever they join because they are used to controlling what ever conference they are in.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Well first, you probably won't see anything "certain" as, unlike the BXII, the B1G is insanely tight-lipped about these things. I think with many things like; them being vetted (even tho the B1G knew they weren't AAU), being a blue-blood national brand, good academics regardless of AAU, history with NEB (and many say Tom Osborne is involved dealing with Old Big 8 schools (KU and OU)), and things like this, one can safely assume they'd be invited.

But you're right, there is nothing 100% certain or said in stone. Delany always stops himself short. And with current BXII GOR etc, they aren't going to touch the subject publicly as OU could then be sued and accused of breaching the GOR by expressing they are looking to leave Conf. Especially with what's been going on with the BXII recently. TOXIC. This will all be hush hush for the next few years, IMO, then we will begin to see some movement.

I think OU needs a stronger academic profile school to come with them as a partner. UT certainly fits the bill. Or one of the ACC schools. FlugEmpire on Twitter was posting a bunch of stuff a few weeks ago. He claims he has a high level source at OU and they are absolutely leaving the B12 ASAP with UT. No clue if true or not. As always, I always plug www.frankthetank.me as my one stop shopping location for all things realignment related.

 

[Cleanface]

Yes, I'm familiar w those guys. I don't follow them on Twitter (actually I do follow FtT) but I pick up what they Tweet on other message boards, and interact w them on occasion.

"ASAP" could = the end of the BXII GOR, which would mean 2025. Could be a while.

Or, if the BXII dissolves, could be next week. That would mean 75% (8 members) would have to agree to leave so they could dissolve the Conf. Doubtful anytime soon, IMO.


edit; I really hope B1G academic hubris wouldn't keep OU out. We have great schools! Everyone knows it! Enough already! OU is a jewel of expansion IMO that would strengthen our weaker B1G West, add the NEB rivalry, and also bring solid hoops among other sports. OU with KU IMO is a natural feeling home-run add, that would close out expansion nicely for decades. With TX, certainly.

OU to the SEC would vault them even higher RE CFB. I'd like to see the B1G add that OU firepower to our West.

 

[TC4THREE]

Setting aside the AAU factor for a minute, what's your opinion of UCONN? Strong basketball brand but what do they do for the conference? Do we need further penetration into the Northeast?

 

[Cleanface]

Not necessarily. UConn would be a Delany/Presidents decision. Would UConn lock NYC and further penetrate the Northeast into the Boston area?? Probably. Does that make them worth it?? Not sure. There are no other major flagship Universities that bring decent athletics in that part of the country, so if we do want further NE/Boston penetration, UConn would be it.

If we need a #18 (after TX, OU, KU are approved) I'm sure the Presidents would rather have a UConn than a OKST or TTech type. UConn is ranked #60 this year in US News (and I know US News ranking sucks, but whatever), which is tied with Purdue and Maryland. But, no AAU.

If we completely strike out on OU and TX, and we MUST GET TO 16, KU & UConn would be great for B1G BBall. One to the east, one to the west.

 

[Cleanface]

Overall IMO Texas is the prize. Talk about adding $$$$$$ like the OP asked, it's Texas and then everyone else. HUGE $$$$$$ for all in the B1G. Texas and the B1G have been in talks many times in the past 20+ years, so it is not that far-fetched. TX is most like a B1G school, more like B1G than any other Conf.

If B1G can get TX and OU > we done. If it means TX gets to bring a TTech along, the B1G may still be willing. Most say it would still be a no-brainer. This is where KU would come along too, and with the 18 or 16 "pod" system, a BXII/Western pod of the B1G - 6 schools (along with Central pod (6), Eastern pod (6)).

The scenarios and combinations are endless when you start factoring in all the different schools.

 

[TC4THREE]

I'd hate to see us go past 16. 14 already feels too big for one conference. 18 is damn near just having 2 conferences under the same umbrella.

 

[Cleanface]

I agree 100%. 18 sounds crazy. I'd go back to 11 school B1G if I could.

I am not pro-expansion at all, I just like to follow it bc it is a constant topic, and it is the state of college athletics today. I gave up resisting and fighting it long ago.

This is also why the OU/KU pair is my preferred choice.

I'd actually like to see Texas and the rest (TTech, OKST, KSU, ISU, TCU or Baylor) head to the PAC to make the PAC 18. The PAC dosn't have many options overall. That large area of the country can handle an 18 school conf., and that, IMO would be the best balance for all of CFB.

Plus the B1G and PAC are friendly, so we can pair up and maybe re-try that scheduling alliance. Let ESPN owned ACC and SEC be butt-buddies.

The again, many say the powers at TX and OU don't want to split. Which goes back to rumors about them moving together to B1G. GUESS WE'LL SEE.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Not necessarily. UConn would be a Delany/Presidents decision. Would UConn lock NYC and further penetrate the Northeast into the Boston area?? Probably. Does that make them worth it?? Not sure. There are no other major flagship Universities that bring decent athletics in that part of the country, so if we do want further NE/Boston penetration, UConn would be it.

If we need a #18 (after TX, OU, KU are approved) I'm sure the Presidents would rather have a UConn than a OKST or TTech type. UConn is ranked #60 this year in US News (and I know US News ranking sucks, but whatever), which is tied with Purdue and Maryland. But, no AAU.

If we completely strike out on OU and TX, and we MUST GET TO 16, KU & UConn would be great for B1G BBall. One to the east, one to the west.

UCONN's value in NYC is overstated. They bring nothing we didn't already get with Rutgers. Honestly BC is probably worth more for Boston versus Hartford. But I see no reason to go into that part of the country (and I live in New England). Our growth will be into the coastal southeast or plains/TX. That's the only place it makes sense.

As far as the GOR for B12, FlugEmpires consulated scheme was the B12 members proactively letting OU and TX out (with 4 new members coming in) and new guaranteed TV contract. Sounds nuts, right? But the logic is virtually every other school could get left out of the P5 if the B12 dissolves. After UT and OU, Id only put good money on KU finding a decent home. So there was a self preservation component to it. No P5 conference would want KSU, OSU, ISU, TT, or Baylor.

 

[Cleanface]

UCONN's value in NYC is overstated. They bring nothing we didn't already get with Rutgers. Honestly BC is probably worth more for Boston versus Hartford. But I see no reason to go into that part of the country (and I live in New England). Our growth will be into the coastal southeast or plains/TX. That's the only place it makes sense.

As far as the GOR for B12, FlugEmpires consulated scheme was the B12 members proactively letting OU and TX out (with 4 new members coming in) and new guaranteed TV contract. Sounds nuts, right? But the logic is virtually every other school could get left out of the P5 if the B12 dissolves. After UT and OU, Id only put good money on KU finding a decent home. So there was a self preservation component to it. No P5 conference would want KSU, OSU, ISU, TT, or Baylor.

1st paragraph - agreed about Rutgers. They got us the NYC carriage rates for the BTN, and sealed up most of NYC. And RE BC, they are locked into the ACC so I don't consider them an option. They don't fit the B1G profile anyway, where UConn does (flagship, public, large enrollment, not religious). I think UConn would deliver if the B1G powers want to further lock down NYC (since UConn has large fanbase/presence there), and penetrate further into the NE/Boston, but that will be a decision made by the powers that be. I think UConn does have a lot of potential tho, both academically and athletically.

2nd - that could be a play, and that Conference would make up an AAC/BXII type that I noted above. Leftover 8 BXII schools + BYU, Houston, Colorado State, Cincy, or UConn would be solid for sure. Add another like New Mexico or UCF and you could have a solid 14. However, I do think the PAC may be forced to get involved if others are going to 16 members. Like I said, they don't have many options, and altho their network is struggling, it does have a HUGE upside if it takes off (PAC owns it 100%). An add of TX + others that I noted above could help that happen.

I also agree about the plains/TX for the B1G. OU and TX are the big fish fasho. Lots of potential options tho.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Keeping with the flow, if getting UT gets you all of Texas as a home state for TV rights then that's huge, but if it does not include the Houston metro area then you lose half or more of Texas. OU or Kansas would bring about the same per state populations. Still not convinced OU would could move without OSU though. Athletically UT, OU and Kansas are great fits...it would be interesting to watch this over the next few years and to see if it it viewers, travel partners, academics and or continuous footprint drives this! And these 3 plus UH to get the Houston footprint and other than the AAU factor but financially a homerun!

 

[IndyRider]

The problem with OU is they are tied to Ok State, that is the biggest issue with OU as no one wants Ok St.

I don't know what Houston is like academically, but that would be an interesting one as it would be an easy one to possibly get and that keeps you from potentially getting locked out of Texas. At this moment given the Okie State issue, I'd say go get Houston and UConn (to keep things balanced) and then wait for the Big 12 falter to see what you can pick up.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

The problem with OU is they are tied to Ok State, that is the biggest issue with OU as no one wants Ok St.

I don't know what Houston is like academically, but that would be an interesting one as it would be an easy one to possibly get and that keeps you from potentially getting locked out of Texas. At this moment given the Okie State issue, I'd say go get Houston and UConn (to keep things balanced) and then wait for the Big 12 falter to see what you can pick up.

Pass on Houston and UConn. Wouldn't increase the size of the pie enough, per team revenue shares would go down.

Delaney is dealing from a position of strength: he can wait for the right schools to come to him, or stand pat with an incredibly strong roster of schools.

 

[TC4THREE]

Pass on Houston and UConn. Wouldn't increase the size of the pie enough, per team revenue shares would go down.

Delaney is dealing from a position of strength: he can wait for the right schools to come to him, or stand pat with an incredibly strong roster of schools.

Tend to agree with this which is why I put my list at ND, Texas, UNC, and Virginia earlier in this thread. Not saying others couldn't be added but I think it would be to facilitate one of the above. And everyone talks about the ACC grant of rights but the Big Ten can wait that out if they want to before making a move. Nothing says they have to move in the next 5-6 years.