When Purdue played them they were very good, but at one point they were 4-6 in conference. Purdue got a bad break by not getting to play them early.
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Yeah no he hasn't. You might just want to stop with the rhetoric now because the data just doesn't support your claim.
Last year the Big Ten sent a boatload of teams to the tournament. Last year just didn't have a hyped team and Purdue was constantly shafted in ranking. This year, Purdue is underrated while several other teams are overrated. I expect Purdue as 1 or 2, but they have an inredibly difficult conference and non-con schedule. If they can win 2 games in Atlantis, and win at least the crossroads or ACC match, it will be impossible to deny them a top 10 spot. They also have to avoid losing to bad teams. I expect more success this year. There shouldn't be as many dominant teams as last year, and Purdue could be one of the dominant teams. I can't wait for the games to start!!!
You sound like you mad about what painter has or hasn't done however this team will be really good and compete for a big 10 title and a natl championship. At the end of the day the players have to execute plays painter can't put the ball in the basket for the players . Also the problem in that game wagner and Wilson had their best game and they shot the ball well knowing haas good not defend them near the 3 point line with this team this season these players can guard many positions whether the in the perimeter or inside bcuz this team has size , length and athleticism. It will be ok
There is all sorts of data splattered all over this forum. There was a chart posted in one thread with NCAA appearances that you should look at.
Basically you're out of line and you probably should just get used to Painter being here for some time to come. Demeaning the title we just won then turning around and using the BTT as some sort of gauge doesn't help your argument either.
It's quite fine to criticize Painter because he isn't perfect, but the fact you are taking is more trollish than constructive. But that is just my opinion and nothing more.
Wagner and Wilson were the type of bookends I prefer...bigs that can play inside and outside and put the ball on the court. When they were shooting well, Michigan was tough. That said, I think Purdue had chances particularly in the Big Tourney where Purdue could have easily won had a basket here or there taken place. Purdue has good kids and it will be difficult for some to see much time on the court this year when conference starts. I hope there is some maturity and understanding that next year is their big year...with Nojel excluded. Nojel brings quite a mismatch against any team playing man against Purdue and the height to see over some zones. A consistent threat to shoot the ball on the perimeter and he is NBA bound because he has a rare combination of ball handling (dribbling and passing) and vision with the desire to get it to the open person. He appears to be able to defend a smaller player and his height and rebounding potential in that arena can be a plus. He is a freshman and will make mistakes and learn this year, but he will also contribute this year to a senior laden team and that is a compliment for a freshman
Well said sir I couldn't have said it better. What will also help all the freshman and the team having been able to practice all summer to learn things earlier especially defensive responsibilities which tends to be the biggest adjustment for freshman to learn and the opportunity to play 11 games as a team will be huge moving forward as season approaches. Having that opportunity to bond together, learn each other strengths and weaknesses, build chemistry has helped in practice already bcuz of early practices and games. Also it was an opportunity for coaches to break down film of those games and work on things that needed to fixed. 1st day of practice started last Friday with what the team had an opportunity to do early b4 any games being played they all are way ahead of most teams who only got a month to get there team especially there freshman ready to play their 1st game and we all no it will take time for teams to get an understanding of who they are, for the freshman to get adjusted to the speed and physically of the game and much more that will take time for them to figure out. All in all this team got a jump start early in the season and 11 games against really good competition will pay dividends as season plays on. Now it's all about putting it all together bcuz of the earlier practices and games they battle tested and I believe they will be a very dangerous team to play against bcuz they were given that opportunity to play darn near an entire non conference schedule in 1 month. Painter now got an understanding of each of his new comers of what each can and cannot do and what each needs to improve on moving forward and with 2 extra months of practice time weight training for those who needs it and those freshman now all can learn that playbook that all should be ready to contribute when season comes. I'm excited and ready for the season and as I have stated many times this team has the pieces to be really really good and now painter has size, athleticism, length and speed to match any team in college basketball plus the experience of 6 returning players who all contributed to the success of a sweet 16 run and winning the big 10 title will be dangerous come march.
I feel really strongly about this year's team. I felt really strongly about the last 2 teams and they reach the heights I hoped so I,
How did you get be an "All-American" on here? I wouldn't even have you as the 6th man since you tell me to look at a chart about regular season performance when I'm talkin about how Painter does in elimination games
That's interesting because the chart that was posted showed NCAA appearances and then was expanded upon. So it goes directly to what you are talking about.
And you not using me as the "6th man" based on your posting history is a compliment. So thanks for that, it means I am doing something right.
I'm an All American on here because I understand that reality is not what we perceive and differing viewpoints are a good thing and should be a thing we all encourage. However, there is a right way and a wrong way to post things and avoid coming off as a complete jackwagon. Something you still clearly need to learn.
But I shouldn't of brought attention to your rhetoric, that was clearly a mistake and from here out I'll scroll past you and let your content speak for itself.
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You really have nothing to add here other than trashing Painter do you. I posted the original chart and it undeniably disproves your garbage and just because CMP doesn't get to the FF on your timeline doesn't make him a bad coach.
I sure wish you boys knew how to treat a lady. Especially when she knows her stuff. Here's my chart.
Painter in elimination games
Finals: N/A
Final 4: N/A
Elite 8: N/A
Sweet 16: 0-3 (not even once within 10 points of other team)
Round of 32: 3-4 (losing record as you can see)
Round of 64: 7-3
Oh ya, Painter has been a great 1st round coach. Let's get excited. He needs to be canned if he can't be at least competitive in the Sweet 16 with this team.
Painter in elimination games
Finals: N/A
Final 4: N/A
Elite 8: N/A
Sweet 16: 0-3 (not even once within 10 points of other team)
Round of 32: 3-4 (losing record as you can see)
Round of 64: 7-3
Oh ya, Painter has been a great 1st round coach. Let's get excited. He needs to be canned if he can't be at least competitive in the Sweet 16 with this team.
And this is one of the many reasons you shouldn't be taken seriously. You don't know your stuff. That much is clearly evident, the real data shows you no grasp on reality.
He isn't getting canned any time soon. Get used to him being here and thankfully you aren't in charge. you'd completely ruin the program.
To be fair, the data she pointed out did support her opinion. She is saying she wants Painter to be better in the tournament (ie. improve the records she posted). It's a fair opinion. I don't agree with her opinion that Painter will be fired soon, however.
That really isn't the issue I am calling out, but I see what you are saying. The data supports that CMP is an excellent coach and in order to get a deep run, you have to make it to the NCAA Tourney to begin with. Which CMP does quite often and you don't do that unless you can win when it matters.
Her earlier posts of discounting the Conference crown and somehow CMP can only win that when the B1G is down, also makes it hard to take her seriously. It's such a ridiculous thing to say, that it can make your head explode from the nonsense.
You've provided literally no data that Painter is a good tournament coach. Which is proof positive that you're being a grade A jerk. I don't care about the regular season. How many NFL regular season champions can you name vs. how many Super Bowl champions can you name? Nobody cares about the regular season!
That's the rub I have with people on here. I have spent a lot of time 'calling people out' as it were because it has just gotten so ridiculous on here at times with some of the things that get posted. I don't really care if you like or dislike CMP but at least formulate a coherent message so that it can be talked about.
it's the ones that act like douches that I have a problem with because you end up just going in a circle of nonsense. And yeah I am guilty of it, but usually only in response to someone else.
You really didn't understand the chart then because I did exactly that. The chart specifically says NCAA Appearances. Not regular season. And comparing the NFL to NCAA basketball only further destroys your argument and shows you have no clue what you are talking about.
You're sound more and more like an IU fan pretending to be a Purdue fan. Your garbage is exactly the same time of stuff that comes from those that are eventually exposed as pretenders.
NCAA appearances are based on your regular season record! There is no way you got past 8th grade if you can't figure that out.
You have to get to the tourney to win it. Which means you have to be successful to get there in the first place. And as far as 'no one caring about the regular season', the NCAA selection committee certainly does.
There is no way you went to Purdue. You'd never last the first week there. I'm following BGG's sage advice and not going to respond to you any further. You clearly have had your head bounced off the headboard too much and lack the brain cells for basic comprehension. And not a Boiler anyway, so you're not worth the effort.
Lee Westwood has been in every major golf tournament I've ever seen and he's never won. That's like 0-100. You guys sure love your participation trophies. That's a loser mentality.
All three sweet 16 games came against #1 seeds. In all three cases, Purdue was playing a superior team, although in 2010, Purdue was right there with Duke prior to Robbie Hummel tearing his ACL.
One way to try to get over the “hump” is to try to upgrade the athleticism on the roster which is what I see Painter trying to do, while also maintaining Purdue culture and a satisfactory skill level.
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There’s a big difference between a participation trophy and a Big Ten regular season championship trophy.
Excuses. Loser mentality. Was VCU, the same VCU that Butler beat a couple rounds later, that embarrassed us a #1 seed? You eventually have to beat a #1 seed to make the Final 4. This is a make or break year for Painter. He has to finally put it all together or the AD has to do his job. There are resources at this school and in this state to have the kind of success Butler, Notre Dame, and Indiana have had this millennium.
So do you really think painter trying not to get there to a final 4. So you suggest a coach who has made 10 NCAA tournament be canned bcuz in his 13 seasons he hasn't reached a final 4 when many coaches in the same position don't even make the NCAA tournament but you want him fired interesting. Boy Being on this board there are things being said about that man I find truly harsh and not deserving why bcuz he isn't a perfect coach but I promise this if he thought about taking that job at Louisville my son will follow that is how high I am on him as a coach. He wants what you want trust me he talks to his players about getting past the sweet 16 and the team he has this season might actually make a deep run to a national championship. If you think painter is happy to just getting to the NCAA no he want to win it all and he is doing all he can to get there and not I think he feels he has the team that can make a deep run in the NCAA tournament. Boy boy truly your words are harsh of a man who is bringing pride back to a program that is on the rise.
Be very careful what what you ask for bcuz if he left and the next coach they bring in don't get the team to a final 4 than what have that coach fired too. As a woman I see your passion bcuz I have have it too but wanting a man fired is a bit extreme. My son came to this school bcuz of painter and I feel painter gonna help my son get to wear he is trying to go and my son gonna do all he can to help this team get to that place we all want purdue to get too and this year I can see that happening.
Boy, you sound like you don't want to play against a team coached by Matt Painter.
You think Painter doesn't pass the sweet 16 wth a healthy Hummel? I don't think there is any way they don't make atleast 2 elite 8s and they were a favorite to win it all one of those years. Yet, you want to hold Painter accountable for Hummel's knee?!
Last year, Purdue ran into a red hot Kansas that couldn't miss anything. Just looking at the numbers without understanding them is downright silly. Would I like Purdue to have a final four by now? Sure. But the tournament is so dependent on luck and draws. MSU had one of the best teams in the nation 2 years ago and got bounced early. Every year the tournament is loaded with upsets. Purdue lost to Cincinnati and ALR in overtime. ALR had to hit some crazy shots to win that game. Cincinnati also got very lucky. Then their was Kansas when Hummel was all that was left of the baby Boilers. Some bad beats in there. I think Purdue will make the tournament for the 4th straight year. They will compete for a Big championship and have the pieces to make a deep run if everybody stays healthy.
More loser mentality excuses! Problem with your version is that we had the Kansas game won because Hummel put on an amazing performance. Painter made bad coaching calls down the stretch that lost it. So painful to watch. Same with the ALR game. That's why so many people cried 'off with his head' after that one. If our new AD isn't happy with participation trophies either I hope he sees through the regular season wins and considers this a make or break year for Painter too.
I wouldn't say they were bad calls by Painter, but outstanding calls by Self. He had his defense force Purdue to put the ball in Johnson's hands and he didn't know what to do because the called play was broken up. Turnovers followed and we couldn't keep up.
If you feel that painter has a looser mentality why you watching a team with a coach with that attitude. You seem pissed off and down right out mad that painter hasnt delivered more than just a big 10 title for participating. Painter will never live up to your expectations but I feel he lives up to mine and I'm ok with what he has done so far no matter what happens this season even though I feel this team this season will be very good. This team with this coach might not be the school or program you want to watch this season.
The reality you live in is a very sad one. I am sorry you are a miserable person. It's also very clear that you are neither a girl or a Purdue fan. At least now, dismissing your posts and opinions is easy. Thanks for that.
I've put that person on ignore, but more and more I am not sold they are a Purdue fan at all. Every post they make is degrading either CMP, pretty much every fan that interacts with him and doesn't comprehend actual data thrown their way.
All of which define a IU fan to the letter.
I'm a woman thank you very much. Not to be confused with girly men who are content with folding in big games.
I am guessing you are a boy, 19-27 years old. Failed out of IU (or never got accepted which is not good considering the low standards they have. It's still a toss up to which one at this point) but still support them (and Notre Dame football). Likely living at the parents house who support you while you work part time in retail or food service. The truth is out kid. Nobody here is fooled. It is %100 certain you are not a Purdue fan.
In one post you insult a woman,19-27 years old boys, and retail and food service workers. Hell must be more appealing when the weather gets cool?
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