Arizona admits that nearly 100,000 non-citizen 'voters' wrongly listed on voter rolls amid lawsuit
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Commandant K2 and Lt. Commandant Walz are Marxist to the core. Anyone who can't see that, read that, or know that are simply pawns in the destruction of this once great Republic.
No the grandpa's and grandma's were old enough to have lived without safe spaces. They grew up at a time where they were taught "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" and never considered it literally. It was a phrase to stay calm if someone called you a name and such and to not escalate things due to verbal abuse. Course, if there were one that meant it literally, grandpa and grandma were not strong enough to lift Mike up to the noose and trying to discern that person from the police yelling for them to come in probably distorted the ability to discern if one meant it literally. $25,000 is for special patriotic activity that is above and beyond the typical grandma and grandpa. Shoot those without the cell phones to get caught (similar to the mules with phones) probably went home and had old person sex later if walking around the outside didn't wear them out, let alone trying to hear each other if the hearing aid battery was low and the energy required for communication when so many were singing "God Bless America!".
No, nothing having the battle flag is special. There are a lot of those down south and considered myself if it were worth buying and preserving one for a future market after all the other history is erased. Nothing special there. The future value of money took a hit the last 3 1/2 years as far as compounding along with the huge inflation and so unlike Kamala's thoughts on money since she has never created it, my plans have a bit of belt tightening required.
I'm talking about special things like whistle blowers leading to firing some heads in the FBI and CIA and being transparent to the DEI hires that are hurting the country, but obscured by the media. Finding out which clerk leaked the Roe/Wade correct reversal to the states, who killed Epstein, where the money is going in Ukraine and how many terrorists they know have been let in the country are all things worth rewarding along with a few others, but you get the gist.
No those were people from California with many from San Francisco and were used to going where they were. They have been doing it for a few years under Gavin's leadership. Nancy wasn't about to punish those trained by Gavin relative to human excrement. Blood is thicker than water.
Obama was a community organizer as well. Being an organizer is nothing special. Hell, the local PTA has an organizer. Even in this forum there is an organizer. Again, it has to be something special of which I already listed a few
I give you credit for being consistent.
One more question; would you be happier if the Confederacy has won the Civil War, seceded, and still had slaves?
no biggie, just two days ago a lady called me (haven't given up the homeowners authority yet) to complain about a "new neighbor" that had two dogs (almost always in the house) and told me she carried bear spray in case the dogs came towards here. I told her to file a complaint with the cops. A couple of years earlier she complained that I had driven my truck where she mowed and she tried to keep it nice (the ground was hard and the grass was back to normal in a couple of hours. I told her I had to drive down to the pond to clean up growth there and didn't want to drive over some crops. She said she took care of it and I told her she didn't have to do that, but most do to keep the bugs down and that on the side of the ditch I was driving she apparently didn't know that was my land. This after her husband and her rapidly drove down my lane to see me. So no, a lot of people have bear spray...probably more now with the open borders
First of all there wouldn't be slaves. It would have ended not long after the war. Interesting, hypothetical question about had the south won the war and the effects today. I have NO certainty about how things would be today had the war success been reversed or as you say...secession was allowed. I'm sure there could be a lot of speculation, but it would just be speculation other than on the whole the military force and natural influence across the globe would be diminished most likely because whatever split took place there would not be universal leverage. What we do know is the German Hessians that ventured into the southern states in Antebellum were taken back by the lazy and redneck ways. A particular reference in Thomas Sowell's book
makes particular reference to the farmers plowing around stumps instead of removing them for year after year. Thomas mentions that the red neck ways of the south were taken up north by the blacks as they migrated. I have and read the book, but haven't listened to this video which I expect tells about this book. So, that migration wouldn't have happened to the extent it did. Interesting question that nobody knows exactly how different it would be .
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makes particular reference to the farmers plowing around stumps instead of removing them for year after year. Thomas mentions that the red neck ways of the south were taken up north by the blacks as they migrated. I have and read the book, but haven't listened to this video which I expect tells about this book. So, that migration wouldn't have happened to the extent it did. Interesting question that nobody knows exactly how different it would be .
First of all there wouldn't be slaves. It would have ended not long after the war. Interesting, hypothetical question about had the south won the war and the effects today. I have NO certainty about how things would be today had the war success been reversed or as you say...secession was allowed. I'm sure there could be a lot of speculation, but it would just be speculation other than on the whole the military force and natural influence across the globe would be diminished most likely because whatever split took place there would not be universal leverage. What we do know is the German Hessians that ventured into the southern states in Antebellum were taken back by the lazy and redneck ways. A particular reference in Thomas Sowell's book
makes particular reference to the farmers plowing around stumps instead of removing them for year after year. Thomas mentions that the red neck ways of the south were taken up north by the blacks as they migrated. I have and read the book, but haven't listened to this video which I expect tells about this book. So, that migration wouldn't have happened to the extent it did. Interesting question that nobody knows exactly how different it would be .
A far better answer would have been “No!”
But for you to say “no” first before your long diversion, it would have required you to be dishonest.
you knew the future of a person living in the north with the thousand of hypotheticals in an evolving culture...I should have figured Kreskin. You should try Sowell sometime, he might broaden your understanding as he has mine.
Katscratch fever, you are free to project where we would be had the two different outcomes existed over 150 years later or something more recent like the difference in the USA had Japan not bombed the USA...or how Hitler and Germany might have responded had the Versailles treaty not been as harsh as it was? Go ahead if you desire Kreskin? I should not be amazed, but the hits keep coming
You are the one who isn’t bothered by the Confederate flag being marched through the Capitol by people who wanted to hang the Vice President and overthrow the Presidential Election. In fact, you stated that those who did so should get a taxpayer funded reward.
So I was wondering if you are a fan of the Confederacy and its policy of the enslavement of black people.
It was a very simple question. Yet you still aren’t able to answer in a straightforward way.
You are the one who isn’t bothered by the Confederate flag being marched through the Capitol. So I was wondering if you are a fan of the Confederacy and their policy of enslavement of black people.
It was a very simple question. Yet you still aren’t able to answer in a straightforward way.
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Did he actually answer any of your questions? Old person sex? Human excrement? Cleaning out the pond?
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Sadly, he did.
He was reasonably clear in stating that he is in favor of giving a $25,000 taxpayer-funded payment to each convicted felon that stormed the Capitol at the command of Donald Trump.
He stated that he would support giving that reward to the following categories of convicted felons, whom he considers patriots:
- If they were carrying a Confederate flag while doing so,
- Defecated in the halls of Congress,
- Assaulted law enforcement,
- he carved out an exception for those who assaulted law enforcement at the behest of law enforcement -- so, literally no exceptions.
- Screaming that the Vice President should hang, or
- Were part of the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers greater conspiracy,
I bet you that tjreese and others, who seem to embrace the confederate flag and monuments, is the same person that was against the NFL football players kneeling during the National Anthem. People that still own and display the confederate flag is more egregious than the football players kneeling.
What's your contention about the article? That there is only 1 out of the 97,000 registered voters that can vote in Arizona elections? I think we can all agree that Federal elections are the main concern here and all of those "voters" could vote in Federal elections.
My contention is that the article doesn't say that ANY of the 97,000 referenced, save for the 1, are actually non-citizens.
I've answered it several times over the years and it shouldn't be that hard to grasp, but apparently is. So I will state again. First, as I have repeated many times slavery wrong wrong and a wart on all that practiced it. In the early 1700s John Adams and his wife were proponents of ending it. Thomas Jefferson struggled writing the Bill of Rights that loses BNI with his take...which is a whole other discussion on "why" the privilege allowed to Sally Hemings to go to Europe and stay if she chose to be free and other things? Somewhat similar is why there are 60,000 denominations that all say are led by the bible many times due to looking with 20th century eyes in addition to choosing what is literal and what is figuratively.
Then you asked a futuristic question that couldn't be correctly answered such as if I would be better if the south won or there was an allowed succession. What I told you, and showed in video that you discounted, and was an attempt by you to divert what I said and call me out for diversion, when that is not true. What I said was nobody knows how the culture will evolve over time. I told about the rednecks in the south and how Hessians described them in Antebellum. I said had those things happened as your question implied, then probably the redneck ways and culture known to the field slaves from the white slave owners in the south wouldn't have migrated so deeply up north. A book was referenced and a video on such to help those struggling...which apparently in your sanitary little world was hard to compute.
As an attempt to show the future question you asked, I asked you to tell me how the USA would be different if Japan didn't bomb us or had the Versailles Treaty not been so harsh on Germany...or the difference in dropping napalm in the center of Japan instead of two atomic bombs. What if the British won in 1812 or the south won Antietam with the French ready to help finance the south with another victory. You, nor I, have any idea how things would have evolved had those events been different and it shouldn't be that hard to understand. Therefore, you either never paid attention or chose to be dishonest.
Again, you got it wrong. I said they were not worthy of the $25,000 doing what normal people do and specified examples of what would be worthy. This shouldn't have so much reading remediation required.
old person sex was an accusation made by Katscratch with the fever in an earlier thread when you were on a sabbatical. Human excrement was linked to California and San Francisco in particular. Reading is not that difficult, but do understand you were physically away for some time
Van living must really be having a negative impact on your mental health, judging from your comment here.
btw, still waiting for you to reply to my entry in the fun game you suggested to see which of the two candidates is dumber.
I opened with prices controls and free sex changes for convicts. Your silence indicates you can't top that, which is no surprise.
Does ‘believing every hair brained conspiracy theory on the internet, including rampant pet eating’ qualify as incredibly dumb?
How about, ‘encouraging, and supporting insurrection against the United States’? That seems incredibly dumb.
Doesn't mean they are either. It says that they don't have proof of citizenship. So the possibility is still there that they ALL are non citizens just as much that they are ALL citizens.
So you agree with me on the article content. Good.
That said, I agree the possibility exists that all could be non-citizens and the possibility exists that all could be citizens; but I disagree that those two possibilities are equal in probability. I suggest, based on the fact that non-citizens make up only about 12% of Arizona's population, that the vast majority of the 97,000 are, indeed, citizens who simply were marked as having proven citizenship when they hadn't, in actuality, done so. In fact, I'd suggest it's probable that the vast majority of Arizona's non-citizens know they are not eligible to vote and, thus, don't attempt to register, so it's likely that the 97,000 are disproportionately citizens (meaning, greater than 88% of the 97,000). But, the only way to know for sure would be to check each one, which I (and I'm guessing you) don't have the resources to do.
Either way, while this situation seemed to be presented by the OP as an example of voter fraud, there seems little to no evidence that it actually represents that in any significant numbers, and even less that it represents an attempt by Democrats, specifically, to cheat in Arizona.
I'm glad we can come to some sort of agreement, but I find your reasoning about the 97,000 to be lacking. I think it's more likely that those are illegals that were given I.D. and mistakenly registered as a citizen. Anyone that is an actual citizen typically shows proof of citizenship when they get their I.D. A non citizen cannot obviously.
Before you get all worked up about what I just wrote, when I say more likely I'm saying something like 55%, not 90%. I'm sure there was a good number of citizens that just didn't prove their citizenship, however, there have been trends in multiple swing states where there were massive attempts at voter registrations every two weeks, many of which were denied. This looked like an attempt at getting people to be able to vote that otherwise shouldn't.
I just did a search to see what it requires to get an I.D. in Arizona and this was what was listed:
Types of records are listed below with examples.
- Bring One Document: Proof of Identity or who you are (Birth certificate; U.S. Passport; Passport Card). Visit the Vital Check website (link is external) to apply if you need a certified copy of an Arizona birth certificate.
- Social Security Number (you will need your complete Social Security number)
- Visit the Social Security Administration website (link is external) and set up an account to order a replacement Social Security card.
- Bring Two Documents that show you live in Arizona. For example, you can bring utility bills, credit card/bank statements, or an insurance policy. You must complete an Arizona Residency Affidavit if you do not have documents that prove you live in Arizona. It can be found on the Arizona MVD website (link is external).
- You must show legal proof of name change if your current legal name is different from the one shown on a document. For example, you can bring a marriage certificate, divorce decree, adoption papers, or court order.
The first two bullet points alone would prove your citizenship. Any US citizen would have these documents.
OTOH here's what is required if you're a non citizen:
Foreign Applicants
Gather identification documents (Bring them with you to MVD). This documentation may include:
- Employment Authorization Card
- USCIS form I-94
- Permanent Resident
I think it's more likely that someone either mistakenly (or on purpose) checked that these people were citizens when they went for their I.D.
It is cute that you are trying to cover for your lib soulmate while he hides in his van.
By conspiracies, are you including the really big ones like Russian collusion, Covid did not start in a nearby Wuhan high-grad lab where it was being 'researched', Covid is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, Ukraine is a 'young democracy' (Bob's fave), and Hunter's laptop was a Russian plant - that is, the big ones you and your lib soulmates choked on?
Supporting insurrection would be incredibly dumb. Even dumber would be to support it while trying to arrange for 10,000 National Guard troops to prevent it, as proven by Peloci's video in which she took responsibility . Do you think the corrupt Jan 6 committee knew about that video?
It is clear Bob would be better at this game of his if he would come out of hiding. Not saying much, but obviously true. Why don't you hide in his van while he gets the courage to speak for himself?
Your take is just as valid as mine, as we're both just speculating, but you have even less evidence for your estimate than I do mine, unless you've got some statistics about how likely it is for a non-citizen to attempt to register which could support their disproportionate representation in this group. I don't know how we'd go about figuring out how often an illegal (note that I do recognize you're using the term "illegal" which doesn't mean the same thing as "non-citizen," so you're already showing your bias) is "given" an ID.
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This is only relevant if these were the procedures in place when the registrations in question were completed. But regardless, we're both just talking about an error that is in the process of being corrected. Even presuming a certain percentage of the 97k are non-citizens, we still don't have any information about the following:
- Of the as-yet undetermined number of non-citizens who are registered, how many are in error and how many were deliberate?
- Of the as-yet undetermined number of non-citizens who are registered, how many actually cast a vote while ineligible?
And to get to the point where one could make the case that this is a deliberate attempt by a political party to "cheat" in an election, we'd also need to know:
- Of the as-yet undetermined number of non-citizens who are registered and who voted, who did they vote for? (of course, we can never know this, given we have secret ballots)
- Of the as-yet undetermined number of non-citizens who are registered, how many were "given" fake credentials by said political party for the purpose of boosting vote turnout?
- Of the as-yet undetermined number of non-citizens who are registered, and who were "given" fake credentials, which political party supplied said fake credentials?
