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I dont really have a problem with it as long as sees a minimum of 25 minutes. Maybe he's using it as a motivational tool to keep his fire lit. If so seems to be working and can also help manage early fouls. Also keeps him a little fresher down the stretch if he plays more in the 2nd half.
Maybe I'm looking too much into it though
Maybe I'm looking too much into it though
They've lost 1 game with him coming off the bench. Starting him could lead to him getting in foul trouble earlier in the game. That would be worse than him getting an early block or two. I say, continue starting IH and let AJ come in from there.
Or, he starts, gets 4 points in 3 minutes, to go along with 2 early fouls, and we have Haas, and only Haas for the remainder of the first half. Not something that bodes well for success.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. This starting lineup, primarily Haas/Hammons, seems to be working the best for both centers. Hammons is going to get the majority of the minutes. Painter knows it, Haas knows it, Hammons knows it. He's the much better player, but Haas knows how to get into position with his big body and draw early fouls on the opposing bigs, making life much easier for Hammons when he comes in.
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Merry Christmas anyway people
Merry Christmas anyway people
C'mon, really? The idea that starting will potentially cause foul problems? There are only so many minutes in a half. If he collects early fouls, how is that different than sitting the bench right away? He's starting off on the bench, so it's 6 or a half dozen. JMHO, he should be starting. He's our best player. Um, maybe we'd see better starts?
How 'bout Haas draws a foul or two on the other teams best post and now AJ can come in and be aggressive and the other post has to be careful. Start Hammons and Haas will look better. Another thought is that AJ is not a notoriously fast starter. Maybe watching a few minutes gets the flow of the game into his veins. I know I always struggled when I started, but felt and played much better when coach put me in at the first whistle.
Why change something that is not broken?
This is the plan and it has worked several times. It also offers an opp to see how the refs will call fouls on the bigs. One never knows until it happens. Better to find out with Haas.
This. I'm not sure why people are getting so bent out of shape overy it, it's working and working well. Ajh still gets the majority of the minutes and his points. So as many others have said, if it isn't broke don't fix it we are 12 and 1 using this method for crying out loud.
Good Lord some on here are either really fickle or just like to complain.
We've played 1 game against a ranked opponent and got pounded (the final score was not indicative of the blowout that occurred). You can't say it isn't broken as we haven't played good enough competition to say that. Florida, Pitt, etc. are ok teams, likely borderline NCAA teams, but Butler is the only top 20ish team we have played and they rocked us. Maybe if AJH would have started, our D would have been a bit more set and not let them get out to a great start. It's not like Haas contributed much on either end in that game, so it couldn't have hurt. Start AJH, let AJH finish, and let him get as many minutes between as he can handle.
So basically you want to break/mess with something that is working to try and get the same result we are already getting using a method that has gotten us to 12 and 1...
And let's look at the Butler game from your example, starting AJH and not starting AJH wouldn't of made much (if any) difference because we lost that game thanks to 18 turnovers. But even with that, that game actually supports bringing AJH off the bench because if I recall, he had 2 fouls in the first half with a lot of time left.
.For the most part, AJH comes in rather quickly, like around the first TV timeout I do believe. So really if that is the case, then the only thing he is missing out on is the jump ball. I have to pay attention to it more to see, but I do believe that is the case.
I know you write off the near comeback and every team we played outside of Butler, but the fact remains we are 12 and 1 and as of right now, it ain't broken. If the time comes and that changes, then I'm all for the switch .. but for now .. you just don't "fix" what doesn't need fixing.
At any rate we aren't going to agree, so Merry Christmas.
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Painter knows he's going to lean on AJ in the second half. So Haas' minutes in the first half are important both from a foul and fatigue standpoint. It allows AJ to play completely uninhibited in the second half. And a free AJ is a very effective AJ.
From an opposition view. After the Pitt - Purdue game. I went over to the Pitt Post Gazette newspaper site to read their take on the game. A Pitt fan posted "Why doesn't Purdue start AJ". My point is basketball fans outside the Purdue fan base question why your BEST player is not starting.
Painter says he has the best Center in America with AJ/Haas combined. This is true BUT one problem is if AJ is your best player and Haas is one of your best players. You cannot play both on the court at the same time. I understand why but when one is out there. One of your other best players is sitting on the bench.
I still think Painter has not settled on a starting 5 long term for this season. He has already made it clear he will play other players if the starters are not playing hard.
If Haas starts and AJ gets in foul trouble. Haas should be in shape to finish out the half. Matt thought Haas was fatigued in one game and took him out and we went small ball. Every time we go small ball, we lose out. I think in the future Matt will bring AJ back even with two fouls.
However, I do wish Matt would have taken the non-conference to play AJ with Haas together. If they started the game, AJ would get the tip and we can dictate a physical game for the refs. The opp will also get used to helping down low and patience opens up our 3 point game. If not there, we easily reverse the ball and try the other side. Have AJ come out after around 3 minutes and rotate through the half. Then start Hass 2nd half and have AJ clean up. If we get into a shooting slump go back to the twin towers for 3-5 minutes. The goal is to let AJ play ~28 minutes and Haas ~20 minutes.
However, I do wish Matt would have taken the non-conference to play AJ with Haas together. If they started the game, AJ would get the tip and we can dictate a physical game for the refs. The opp will also get used to helping down low and patience opens up our 3 point game. If not there, we easily reverse the ball and try the other side. Have AJ come out after around 3 minutes and rotate through the half. Then start Hass 2nd half and have AJ clean up. If we get into a shooting slump go back to the twin towers for 3-5 minutes. The goal is to let AJ play ~28 minutes and Haas ~20 minutes.
He is the best player when wired. I can go either way, but understand that many refs set the tone early and it is possible that perhaps AJ could draw one early as the refs establish the way it is going to be called. How many refs feel pressure on the first fouls called...early bonus might bring that about, certainly unquestionable bad calls can do that, a dramatic shift in fouls called by half may. IMO, it is only a factor if it bothers AJ. That said I'm thinking 28/12 or so is about the right ratio for AJ. Interesting when Jones (#30) for Vandy got 2 Kevin did play him again the first half and never picked up another that half but still fouled out. coaches see practices and have a feel on the players better than fans typically. Anyway, my main concern is that AJ get more minutes per game and especially against quick handed athletic front lines
Ha, true storyMerry Christmas to you as well! A lot more important than anything we are talking about here
Why?Merry Christmas to you as well! A lot more important than anything we are talking about here
...and more often than not, he's now going up against opponent's big(s) who are rapidly tiring (and/or in foul trouble) from pushing/pounding on H&H in the first 3/4 of the game. It's no wonder AJ has shown so much in the final minutes of most games this season.
The latest Mock draft has AJ in the first round, Purdue is 12-1 and ranked in the top 15 headed into the B1G schedule. Isaac starting has been a key, not a detriment to the record thus far. Why change and take AJ out of the rythym of watching the flow of the game and then coming in, many times against the second team big man and get going offensively and defensively? Why, with all the success to this point and AJ finally being in 1st round NBA discussions do so many on this board continue to pound the start AJ drum?
From a "practical" point of veiw, I understand where the start ajh idea comes from. However, from a tactical point of view, wit has Haas starting it has worked very well for what you and others have said.
Hey, there worse things to argue over
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yeah, like discussing whether Purdue should have won by 15 rather than 9.From a "practical" point of veiw, I understand where the start ajh idea comes from. However, from a tactical point of view, wit has Haas starting it has worked very well for what you and others have said.
Hey, there worse things to argue over
But that's not what happened in the Butler game. When AJ Hammons entered the game against Butler, Purdue was winning 8-6. It's not like Butler got out to some amazing start and we were down big early. When AJ Hammons committed his 2nd foul, Purdue was up 18-16.
That being said, I don't know why it matters so much why anyone starts or doesn't start. AJ didn't start against Vandy, yet played 28 minutes (Haas 11 minutes). If these guys are comfortable with it (I believe AJ has said he actually likes coming off the bench), why does it matter? Having a capable back-up like Haas start a game and be aggressive only helps AJ in the long-run.
Not an unfair question at all.
Haas starts because he probably has a better chance at winning the opening tip
Haas starts because he probably has a better chance at winning the opening tip
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