Aw don't be butthurt bro just because you've ended up looking so ignorant. Trust me it didn't shock anyone.
You're not going to start crying like Izzo does now are you?
And so here we go again, MSU...
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You're not going to start crying like Izzo does now are you?
Disciplined for what? An accusation? Having sex while in college? Please tell me you don't believe there aren't Purdue athletes who don't participate in 3Ways? I totally get disciplining/suspending players had they actually been charged with a crime while their due process played out, but they were never actually charged with a crime? How do you discipline somebody that is never charged with a crime unless you're Duke University. Did you see how much money Duke University and the City of Durham shelled out in settlement pay? You're ridiculous, there's due process for a reason.
I think you're all losing sight of the fact that she's not suing the athletes. She's suing the university for the way her complaint was handled and the way she was discouraged from pursuing a case by employees of the university. This goes back 4 years. MSU was still actively protecting the good doctor at that time. I'm guessing all complaints of sexual assault were deflected aggressively at that time. Was Izzo complicit? Who knows? One wonders how quickly he would have been forced to address reports IF his team's didn't contain to win.
I totally get that. Protocol at MSU sucks although she should have never consulted legal advice by a Title IX counselor in the first place. That isn't their job or area of experise either. That shouldn't be the first step in reporting a rape complaint. It should be a mandatory occupational requirement that any Title IX counselor submits a formal report ANY time a rape or sexual assault complaint is made to the proper authorities. It should be out of the hands of the victim on whether or not the case should be investigated as it should be for a counselor to try and persuade/dissuade a victim of pressing charges.
And unfortunately for her, her case likely won't hold up in court. She sought legal advice from a counselor who isn't licensed or trained in that expertise to make that decision. I don't doubt at all that she was likely discouraged from reporting it because of the media attention it would have garnished, and while it may cross some moral boundaries it doesn't cross any ethics is she was simply looking for legal advice in the wrong place.
Upon further reading, looks like MSU responded to the lawsuit and I'm guessing was purposely left out by the OP because it doesn't fit a narrative
"We have confirmed that, in April 2015, Jane Doe did visit MSU Counseling Center and that our records show that appropriate care and relevant information for a rape victim was provided to the student. We have not found any evidence or indication that she was discouraged in any way to make a Title IX complaint or a complaint to the police department. On the contrary, the student said she was then too distraught to discuss her circumstances. The counselor also suggested she visit the Sexual Assault Program unit on campus.
"In February 2016, Jane Does visited the Sexual Assault Program unit to receive additional services. She was provided appropriate services, including group counseling sessions, participating in a consultation with a sexual assault advocate, and scheduling an initial appointment with a sexual assault program therapist (an appointment which she did not appear for).
"In October 2015, Jane Doe’s father contacted her academic advisor to discuss concerns over academic performance. Through that conversation, the advisor learned about the alleged sexual assault. Academic advisors are mandatory reporters under MSU’s policies and the academic advisor promptly took the appropriate step of notifying the MSU Police Department about the potential assault.
"The MSUPD Special Victims Unit took the report seriously and tried to reach Jane Doe to start the investigation and gather more information, but Jane Doe did not respond to their outreach. An informational email was sent to her that outlined resources available to her, including Title IX information, options to contact the Office of Institutional Equity and relevant counseling services.
"Jane Doe never revealed the names of her alleged assailants nor, until she filed her lawsuit, did she publicly assert that an assault had occurred. To date, she has yet to exercise her right to make a Title IX complaint or contact the MSUPD or respond to the effort of the Special Victims Unit to learn information about the assault her father brought to the academic advisor’s attention.
"Any information shared during meetings with MSU counseling and psychiatric services is private and confidential. When attempting to investigate the issue, MSUPD did not have names or any information about possible assailants as Jane Doe never responded to their inquiry. At no point was MSU Athletics Department or the Basketball Program or Head Basketball Coach aware of or notified of the existence of a Jane Doe’s sexual assault allegation."
https://statenews.com/article/2018/04/msu-statement-on-federal-lawsuit
"We have confirmed that, in April 2015, Jane Doe did visit MSU Counseling Center and that our records show that appropriate care and relevant information for a rape victim was provided to the student. We have not found any evidence or indication that she was discouraged in any way to make a Title IX complaint or a complaint to the police department. On the contrary, the student said she was then too distraught to discuss her circumstances. The counselor also suggested she visit the Sexual Assault Program unit on campus.
"In February 2016, Jane Does visited the Sexual Assault Program unit to receive additional services. She was provided appropriate services, including group counseling sessions, participating in a consultation with a sexual assault advocate, and scheduling an initial appointment with a sexual assault program therapist (an appointment which she did not appear for).
"In October 2015, Jane Doe’s father contacted her academic advisor to discuss concerns over academic performance. Through that conversation, the advisor learned about the alleged sexual assault. Academic advisors are mandatory reporters under MSU’s policies and the academic advisor promptly took the appropriate step of notifying the MSU Police Department about the potential assault.
"The MSUPD Special Victims Unit took the report seriously and tried to reach Jane Doe to start the investigation and gather more information, but Jane Doe did not respond to their outreach. An informational email was sent to her that outlined resources available to her, including Title IX information, options to contact the Office of Institutional Equity and relevant counseling services.
"Jane Doe never revealed the names of her alleged assailants nor, until she filed her lawsuit, did she publicly assert that an assault had occurred. To date, she has yet to exercise her right to make a Title IX complaint or contact the MSUPD or respond to the effort of the Special Victims Unit to learn information about the assault her father brought to the academic advisor’s attention.
"Any information shared during meetings with MSU counseling and psychiatric services is private and confidential. When attempting to investigate the issue, MSUPD did not have names or any information about possible assailants as Jane Doe never responded to their inquiry. At no point was MSU Athletics Department or the Basketball Program or Head Basketball Coach aware of or notified of the existence of a Jane Doe’s sexual assault allegation."
https://statenews.com/article/2018/04/msu-statement-on-federal-lawsuit
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Disciplined for conduct. No due process required. Disciplined for being a dumbass that needs to learn a lesson. Disciplined because his judgement affected others. Izzo doesn’t need a reason to bench a player. He doesn’t even need to explain why he decides Payne and Appling are sitting in street clothes for the balance of the season. There is some validity that Izzo acting responsibly may have impacted both Payne and Appling in a positive manner.
Gather around everybody. We are about to be mansplained on how to react to a gang rape.
Wait a minute, are we talking about the Payne/Appling rape cover up...……..or the Travis Walton rape cover up...….or...….damn, it's hard keeping up with all of these "incidents". Disgusting on every level. Hall of Shame coach.
Why are you given a voice? How can you call a rape allegation (Payne/Appling) that was reported and investigated a cover up? That is literally the complete OPPOSITE of a cover up. If there was a cover up it wouldn’t have been reported and it sure as hell wouldn’t have been investigated.
What exactly is your definition of “cover up” because I don’t think we have the same definition.
I’m with you.
Assistant DA assigned a case against two basketball stars from a certain university decides not to press charges. Same Assistant DA gets hired by said university. Same Assistant DA now university employee is tasked to investigate a certain university doctor amid Title IX complaints. After a cursory investigation that does not include any interviews with any complaintants said employee declares there is nothing to see here and said doctor is cleared to continue on.
This all smells of cover up. If you are asking me who I believe more, it is definitely the victims and not the University or the local DAs. Also, how could anyone question why these assaults don’t get reported?
The universal definition of covering up a crime? Attempting to withhold or conceal evidence so that a crime doesn’t go unreported or investigated.
The Asst DA decided not to press charges for these reasons:
1) an administered rape kit didn’t show bruising or scratches which are suggested signs of a struggle
2) the accusers story started to change. What she told investigators and what she told the prosecutors office aren’t the same thing and she admitted to not being able to recall everything because she was intoxicated
3) she didn’t cooperate with the DA. She wasn’t fully willing to testify in court.
Without strong evidence that suggests a rape occurred and the victim changing her story on top of not willing to testify means no case for the DA. They didn’t press charges because they didn’t have a case. Simple as that, that isn’t a cover up. Decisions like that happen every single day.
4) continue to send the message that rape/sexual assault is acceptable at M$U
They have a great slogan: "Come to M$U, where felonies are part of who we are".
And then the ad would fade to izzo crying.
