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All of you rich professionals are to blame for poverty

Are you speaking for them too, in addition to black people?

What is your view, if you dare to have one?
For years I have been listening to both sides. A take peak at right wing radio and Faux News. I’m not speaking from them. They all said collectively that when Russia took over Crimea, Obama did not do anything. Now, the same folks don’t like Biden trying to stop the current Russia aggression.

As far as my position, I don’t know the region well enough for definitive answer. However, I prefer any US policy that does not involve our troops whether not doing anything at all, or just sending money.
 
For years I have been listening to both sides. A take peak at right wing radio and Faux News. I’m not speaking from them. They all said collectively that when Russia took over Crimea, Obama did not do anything. Now, the same folks don’t like Biden trying to stop the current Russia aggression.

As far as my position, I don’t know the region well enough for definitive answer. However, I prefer any US policy that does not involve our troops whether not doing anything at all, or just sending money.
I doubt it is the same folks. Some right wingers have always supported the view Trump followed that we should stay out of stupid wars that don't directly involve us. Others always support the view that we should support our corrupt military-industrial-foreign policy establishment regardless of how stupid a war is - since they themselves will profit from it at no risk to their own safety and comfort. Dems are similarly split - but it seems a majority at this time support our involvement in Ukraine to help enrich themselves by way of their donor-owners.

All of the pro-war crowd are careful not to acknowledge that Ukraine will accept them and anyone else under age 65 to join the fight - thereby proving they believe in the cause right up to the point where it might discomfit or endanger them. Bob is one of those, with his virtual-signaling Ukrainian flag. He is all for others to fight and die - but apparently not willing to back up his virtue signaling by joining the Ukraine defense effort himself. Unlike Bob's fake virtue signaling, some sincere and brave Americans have joined Ukraine and paid the ultimate price.
 
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I doubt it is the same folks.
You must not listen to right wing radio or Faux News. Probably a good thing to be honest. Anyway, during the Obama admin it was nightly Obama bashing from O'Reilly, to Hannity to Ingrahm. Even the hard news folks to aim at him. They all said that Obama screwed up to let Russia take Crimea. Since the Russia invasion, literally these same folks are now saying that we don't need to stop Russia from taking the Ukraine.
 
No, we would blame wealthy European nations who, unlike the US, are on the same land mass as Ukraine and Russia. Those nations have the money to buy advanced weapons from US suppliers if they feel threatened by Russia's invasion of Ukraine - but why should they when our senile president can be so easily manipulated by the DC establishment to use US taxpayer money instead.
Lol. What does the same land mass have to do with anything?

Intelligent people learned from the first two world wars. A war in Europe will inevitably draw in the US……..unless of course you are a total isolationist and believe in rewarding invasions of sovereign countries and ignoring socialist expansion.
 
I doubt it is the same folks. Some right wingers have always supported the view Trump followed that we should stay out of stupid wars that don't directly involve us. Others always support the view that we should support our corrupt military-industrial-foreign policy establishment regardless of how stupid a war is - since they themselves will profit from it at no risk to their own safety and comfort. Dems are similarly split - but it seems a majority at this time support our involvement in Ukraine to help enrich themselves by way of their donor-owners.

All of the pro-war crowd are careful not to acknowledge that Ukraine will accept them and anyone else under age 65 to join the fight - thereby proving they believe in the cause right up to the point where it might discomfit or endanger them. Bob is one of those, with his virtual-signaling Ukrainian flag. He is all for others to fight and die - but apparently not willing to back up his virtue signaling by joining the Ukraine defense effort himself. Unlike Bob's fake virtue signaling, some sincere and brave Americans have joined Ukraine and paid the ultimate price.
You think because I support Ukraine and have their flag as an avatar I should go to Ukraine and fight? Are you fcking serious? So all Americans who support Ukraine should stop their lives and go risk them in Ukraine? We can’t support their fight against an authoritarian socialist (I thought you were against socialism) who invaded their country without going to fight for them? If I change my avatar do I still have to go?

Perfect example of how you MAGA punks take your grievance agenda to a ridiculous level. You place such importance on insignificant things, it makes you look like a petty fool who laughingly believes you’re making a valid point.

You don’t like illegals coming over the border? Get off your ass and go volunteer to stop them. Oh, but since you don’t have an avatar of trump’s wall I guess you don’t have to.

I think of it as having a moral conscience. You support Putin, I can see how the idea is hard for you to understand.
 
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It IS scary that you and others repeat these lies and know so little about the topic, considering how much MAGA rants about it.

Wait and see what happens when there’s no one to build homes and commercial structures or pick the produce or work in the hotels or cut the grass.
Lol coming from the guy who has been repeating lies about Trump for almost a decade now and jeez, could you be a little more racist? Pick the produce? Work in hotels? Cut the grass? May be time for a reset, you wannabe bully.
 
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You think because I support Ukraine and have their flag as an avatar I should go to Ukraine and fight? Are you fcking serious? So all Americans who support Ukraine should stop their lives and go risk them in Ukraine? We can’t support their fight against an authoritarian socialist (I thought you were against socialism) who invaded their country without going to fight for them? If I change my avatar do I still have to go?

Perfect example of how you MAGA punks take your grievance agenda to a ridiculous level. You place such importance on insignificant things, it makes you look like a petty fool who laughingly believes you’re making a valid point.

You don’t like illegals coming over the border? Get off your ass and go volunteer to stop them. Oh, but since you don’t have an avatar of trump’s wall I guess you don’t have to.

I think of it as having a moral conscience. You support Putin, I can see how the idea is hard for you to understand.
Grievance agenda to a ridiculous level? What did you do every day during the Trump presidency, Bob? You’re exactly who you despise, like most warped Trump haters. Go get a new hobby, old man. Take your bullying elsewhere.
 
182 bil is a lot. Wait until you hear how much the Trump tax cuts add to the deficit.
This is a twist of facts. The Trump tax cuts actually started to bring in more money than before the cuts. The massive deficit came from Covid spending. Tax cuts don't bring in more revenue overnight, but they work.

 
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You must not listen to right wing radio or Faux News. Probably a good thing to be honest. Anyway, during the Obama admin it was nightly Obama bashing from O'Reilly, to Hannity to Ingrahm. Even the hard news folks to aim at him. They all said that Obama screwed up to let Russia take Crimea. Since the Russia invasion, literally these same folks are now saying that we don't need to stop Russia from taking the Ukraine.
I find it oddly coincidental that Putin only does things with there's a Democrat in the whitehouse. The difference between the geopolitical stability between when Trump was POTUS compared to when BOH or especially, Biden, is quite the contrast.
Why is that?
 
You think because I support Ukraine and have their flag as an avatar I should go to Ukraine and fight? Are you fcking serious? So all Americans who support Ukraine should stop their lives and go risk them in Ukraine? We can’t support their fight against an authoritarian socialist (I thought you were against socialism) who invaded their country without going to fight for them? If I change my avatar do I still have to go?

Perfect example of how you MAGA punks take your grievance agenda to a ridiculous level. You place such importance on insignificant things, it makes you look like a petty fool who laughingly believes you’re making a valid point.

You don’t like illegals coming over the border? Get off your ass and go volunteer to stop them. Oh, but since you don’t have an avatar of trump’s wall I guess you don’t have to.

I think of it as having a moral conscience. You support Putin, I can see how the idea is hard for you to understand.
You should change your avatar to the BLM flag.
 
You think because I support Ukraine and have their flag as an avatar I should go to Ukraine and fight? Are you fcking serious? So all Americans who support Ukraine should stop their lives and go risk them in Ukraine?
Lighten up, Bob, I was just joking. Of course I don't expect you to actually leave your couch to do anything for Ukraine beyond your usual virtue signaling.
We can’t support their fight against an authoritarian socialist (I thought you were against socialism) who invaded their country without going to fight for them? If I change my avatar do I still have to go?
If you change it to Lia Thomas you don't have to go. In fact, they won't want you in that case, except possibly for bomb disposal.
Perfect example of how you MAGA punks take your grievance agenda to a ridiculous level. You place such importance on insignificant things, it makes you look like a petty fool who laughingly believes you’re making a valid point.
It was a joke, Bob. Can't you see the humor?
You don’t like illegals coming over the border? Get off your ass and go volunteer to stop them. Oh, but since you don’t have an avatar of trump’s wall I guess you don’t have to.
Apples and oranges, Bob. It would be against the law for me to interfere in border law enforcement and control. I do not have the legal authority to do so. In contrast, it is not against any law for you to accept Ukraine's call for volunteers to fight Russians. If you do, take all the war-machine dems and repubs in Congress with you who give pompous virtue-signaling speeches about how they admire and support the 'fledgling democracy' of Ukraine .

I think of it as having a moral conscience. You support Putin, I can see how the idea is hard for you to understand.
I can see that you don't understand. I support wealthy EU nations with vastly more resources than Russia putting up their own funds to support the fledgling democracy if that is what they think is in their best interests. What I don't support is US taxpayers being shaken down by political hacks like Biden to pay for it instead, while the Europeans save their money and no doubt laugh at us.
 
Very cool, still way less than the trillions added to the deficit with the Trump tax cuts.

And sure, I'll do that right now.
Hmmm. CBO disagrees

The government now expects to bring in $3.8 trillion in corporate tax revenues between 2018 and 2027, almost identical to the $3.9 trillion forecasted prior to the tax cuts. Moreover, since taxes don’t exist in a vacuum—and the corporate tax reform propelled higher income growth and therefore higher income taxes and payroll taxes—the corporate tax reform likely paid for itself.

 
Lighten up, Bob, I was just joking. Of course I don't expect you to actually leave your couch to do anything for Ukraine beyond your usual virtue signaling.

If you change it to Lia Thomas you don't have to go. In fact, they won't want you in that case, except possibly for bomb disposal.

It was a joke, Bob. Can't you see the humor?

Apples and oranges, Bob. It would be against the law for me to interfere in border law enforcement and control. I do not have the legal authority to do so. In contrast, it is not against any law for you to accept Ukraine's call for volunteers to fight Russians. If you do, take all the war-machine dems and repubs in Congress with you who give pompous virtue-signaling speeches about how they admire and support the 'fledgling democracy' of Ukraine .


I can see that you don't understand. I support wealthy EU nations with vastly more resources than Russia putting up their own funds to support the fledgling democracy if that is what they think is in their best interests. What I don't support is US taxpayers being shaken down by political hacks like Biden to pay for it instead, while the Europeans save their money and no doubt laugh at us.
No, the Euros and everybody else laughed at trump. Yet another example of MAGA trying to project trump’s failures and circumstances onto Biden.

As a percentage of GDP, some European countries have spent as much or more to support Ukraine. What does EU wealth vs Russia have to do with anything?

Nobody is shaking down. Public support for the war is still around 60%. Do you know what shaking down means?

Apparently you haven’t checked your facts.

You say your virtue signaling remarks is just your way of joking, only to bring it up again…….twice. It’s part of your vernacular. You can’t help yourself.

None of you want to talk about the history of the US in modern wars in Europe. It’s isolationists like you that don’t seem to understand how wars are on the continent invariably invoke the US. Neither do you want to stand up and embrace the moniker of leader of the free world that we spent trillions of dollars and lost hundreds of thousands of lives to achieve.

As for me fighting for Ukraine, you and bone seem to share the same intellectually dishonest approach. Supporting green initiatives to him means I have to ride a bike to work. To you, supporting Ukraine means I have to go risk my life…….or it’s just virtue signaling. Complete horseshit. You support trump. Why don’t you give all your money to his campaign and live in a box on the side of the road?
 
No, the Euros and everybody else laughed at trump. Yet another example of MAGA trying to project trump’s failures and circumstances onto Biden.
Right, they laughed at Trump when he told Merkel and the others they were foolish to become so dependent on Russian energy. They don't laugh about that anymore.

As a percentage of GDP, some European countries have spent as much or more to support Ukraine. What does EU wealth vs Russia have to do with anything?
It means the countries most 'threatened' by Russia have the money collectively to buy the weapons they need to protect themselves. I ask you again, how is the US threatened by Russia's invasion of Ukraine or their invasion of any country on the Euro landmass? How does it benefit the US for Ukraine to be in NATO?
Nobody is shaking down. Public support for the war is still around 60%. Do you know what shaking down means?
It is now below 50% according to gov-sponsored media (that is pbs, not nbc, cbs, cnn, etc). Are you deliberately misstating that percentage?

I agree with you it is not shaking down. There is no need for it. Biden just hands over the billions while the Euros laugh at his bumbling stupidity.

Apparently you haven’t checked your facts.
I just did and you are wrong and/or dishonest, right?
You say your virtue signaling remarks is just your way of joking, only to bring it up again…….twice. It’s part of your vernacular. You can’t help yourself.
Twice? You bring it up with your avatar every time you post a message?

None of you want to talk about the history of the US in modern wars in Europe. It’s isolationists like you that don’t seem to understand how wars are on the continent invariably invoke the US. Neither do you want to stand up and embrace the moniker of leader of the free world that we spent trillions of dollars and lost hundreds of thousands of lives to achieve.
You are like an IU hoops fan, stuck in the last century. With modern weaponry, there is no reason for wars on the continent to invoke the US - other than a desire by the mil-industrial-foreign policy complex to rev up the war machine for their profits. Russia's inept land army has proven it can't even invade a much smaller country on its border, showing there is no longer any need for the US to be in Europe at all - except for war machine profits.

As for me fighting for Ukraine, you and bone seem to share the same intellectually dishonest approach. Supporting green initiatives to him means I have to ride a bike to work. To you, supporting Ukraine means I have to go risk my life…….or it’s just virtue signaling. Complete horseshit. You support trump. Why don’t you give all your money to his campaign and live in a box on the side of the road?
What is dishonest about expecting virtue signalers to back up their proclaimed virtue? John Kerry and Al Gore flying around in their private jets are two obvious examples of major vs hypocrites.

I will support anybody who runs against the corrupt and totally incompetent crooked Joe. If I were a repub, I would support DeSantis right now as having a better chance than Trump to beat Joe.
 
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there is no reason for wars on the continent to invoke the US - other than a desire by the mil-industrial-foreign policy complex to rev up the war machine for their profits. Russia's inept land army has proven it can't even invade a much smaller country on its border, showing there is no longer any need for the US to be in Europe at all - except for war machine profits.

Yep. And there you have it....why we are involved.....
$ for the war machine.....resulting in kick backs for Politicians.

Old school greed, corruption, paid off politicians.....EVIL, wrapped in a nice little red,white & blue bow.
 
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You roasted Obama for doing almost nothing to stop Russia from taking Crimea. Biden is leading the world in opposition to them doing the same thing to Ukraine. Can you pick a lane…….or do you just want to stop Russia without spending any money?
If he is leading the world why our so many of our “friends” still buying their energy? I told you from the start that all that embargo shit would go away once winter came and these European leaders were not going to lose their jobs (or lives) over a freezing and hungry populace.

As for “authoritarian”? More than one in this fight.
 
If he is leading the world why our so many of our “friends” still buying their energy? I told you from the start that all that embargo shit would go away once winter came and these European leaders were not going to lose their jobs (or lives) over a freezing and hungry populace.

As for “authoritarian”? More than one in this fight.
They aren’t buying oil, diesel imports are heading down and they are buying more LNG from other nations. Do you expect them to let their people freeze? Gotta be all or nothing? Russia is still SELLING Europe energy despite their arms sales to Ukraine. Why the hell would Russia sell energy to countries who are supplying its enemy? Sure they need cash but they are assisting the allies of their enemy.

Sanctions are hurting Russia but they were never going to cause them to stop the war. There are ways around them, always have been.

What does energy supplies to Europe have to do with Biden leading the world against Russia’s attack on a sovereign country? The alliance is holding. Russians are now joining the fight with Ukraine. Finland has joined NATO since the war began and Sweden is in the process. F-16s are coming. Russia had one old T-34 at its annual Victory Day parade. They’re putting conscripts and criminals on the front lines.

The Republican Party I voted for used to stand up to communist aggression. Now they want to hide under the covers.
 
The Republican Party I voted for used to stand up to communist aggression. Now they want to hide under the covers.
Time for you to quit hiding under the covers and prove your virtue signaling is real:

 
Perfect example of how you MAGA punks take your grievance agenda to a ridiculous level. You place such importance on insignificant things, it makes you look like a petty fool who laughingly believes you’re making a valid point.

You don’t like illegals coming over the border? Get off your ass and go volunteer to stop them. Oh, but since you don’t have an avatar of trump’s wall I guess you don’t have to.

I think of it as having a moral conscience. You support Putin, I can see how the idea is hard for you to understand.
RE importance on insignificant things…sounds like @BuilderBob6 and the liberals who b!tched up a storm about everyone not wearing masks.

Mask mandates!!! Mask mandates!!! Even after vaccines were available.

Oh, vaccine mandates!!!
 
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Well-paid professionals like me benefit as consumers from the poverty wages paid to others in an economy where Uber is a verb and surveilled and squeezed gig workers respond to —and deliver — our every need.


Nevermind the continuous feed of immigrants who are being put into hotels by our federal government and having meals delivered to their room so Democrats can have enough cheap labor in the fields to feed their Democrat cities.


Maybe take all of the funds that are being consumed by immigrants and give them to the poor. $182B is a lot of money. (That’s $4k for every poverty stricken citizen 45MM)



And from the first article….That would amount to an estimated $175 billion annually; those resources would then be allocated to expand broadly popular programs, like the Earned Income Tax Credit, that directly alleviate poverty. He also advocates for structural reforms that reverse the practices that deny poor people choices in housing, banking and employment.

So the first article acknowledges that supporting immigration is the core reason poverty exists
When the Democratic Party was taken over by IV leaguers between 68 and 72 that was the beginning of the end. Workers were their main constituency. Then it became suburban professionals who virtue signal and act like they care about others.

Buckley v valejo solidified what you see today.
 
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They aren’t buying oil, diesel imports are heading down and they are buying more LNG from other nations. Do you expect them to let their people freeze? Gotta be all or nothing? Russia is still SELLING Europe energy despite their arms sales to Ukraine. Why the hell would Russia sell energy to countries who are supplying its enemy? Sure they need cash but they are assisting the allies of their enemy.

Sanctions are hurting Russia but they were never going to cause them to stop the war. There are ways around them, always have been.

What does energy supplies to Europe have to do with Biden leading the world against Russia’s attack on a sovereign country? The alliance is holding. Russians are now joining the fight with Ukraine. Finland has joined NATO since the war began and Sweden is in the process. F-16s are coming. Russia had one old T-34 at its annual Victory Day parade. They’re putting conscripts and criminals on the front lines.

The Republican Party I voted for used to stand up to communist aggression. Now they want to hide under the covers.
The reason it matters is because your “allies” are funding your enemy. And no. Oil imports are not going down. They are simply washing it through India. Of course your are the same person who didn’t understand that a lot of the money the States were spending on housing feeding and caring for the migrants was federal money via grants and programs.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/05/31...vasion-high-but-which-countries-are-buying-it

As for standing up against communism? I want accountability of all the money and weapons we Americans are funding. I want to know why we are continuing to deplete our weapon supplies and at risk should we be attacked. And because I got my own brain and know the other guy is an authoritarian as well who has jailed journalist, political opponents and has a bit of an issue of being ok with neo Nazi militias running areas of Ukraine. So save your dumb ass moralizing and get a brain and read international news and realize this is not some binary choice of us supporting the savior of European democracy. And if you want to stand up against a real communist threat think bigger.
 
You think because I support Ukraine and have their flag as an avatar I should go to Ukraine and fight? Are you fcking serious? So all Americans who support Ukraine should stop their lives and go risk them in Ukraine? We can’t support their fight against an authoritarian socialist (I thought you were against socialism) who invaded their country without going to fight for them? If I change my avatar do I still have to go?

Perfect example of how you MAGA punks take your grievance agenda to a ridiculous level. You place such importance on insignificant things, it makes you look like a petty fool who laughingly believes you’re making a valid point.

You don’t like illegals coming over the border? Get off your ass and go volunteer to stop them. Oh, but since you don’t have an avatar of trump’s wall I guess you don’t have to.

I think of it as having a moral conscience. You support Putin, I can see how the idea is hard for you to understand.
So where was all your bravado before this conflict started? You know when your guy sat on his hands and did nothing while Putin amassed his offensive units on the border? When British intelligence said it was inevitable and said this was a the result of his disastrous Afghan pullout? Why do you skip over all this? Now we the American tax payer and Ukrainian people pay for his F ups?

When those tanks rolled into position there was a simple option and that was to lend-lease Ukraine a portion of the retiring A10 Warthog fleet. Here is something from early on pleading to do so. Biden rejected a formal plan and thought his tough guy rhetoric who prevent the invasion. (Oh, not ware of this?) But our great MSM is to brain dead and people like your just cut and paste “supports Putin” to anyone who asks questions.
https://www.defensenews.com/opinion...three-a-10-aircraft-squadrons-to-ukraine-now/

So you know what the first act of supporting Putin was? Not accepting the recommendation to provide A10s which would have been the deterrent to invade because Putin’s armor would have been chewed apart in the first 5 kilometers. But instead dumbasses don’t blame those who allowed thing thing to start and simply put out some lawn sign to show their lack of knowledge.
 
The reason it matters is because your “allies” are funding your enemy. And no. Oil imports are not going down. They are simply washing it through India. Of course your are the same person who didn’t understand that a lot of the money the States were spending on housing feeding and caring for the migrants was federal money via grants and programs.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/05/31...vasion-high-but-which-countries-are-buying-it

As for standing up against communism? I want accountability of all the money and weapons we Americans are funding. I want to know why we are continuing to deplete our weapon supplies and at risk should we be attacked. And because I got my own brain and know the other guy is an authoritarian as well who has jailed journalist, political opponents and has a bit of an issue of being ok with neo Nazi militias running areas of Ukraine. So save your dumb ass moralizing and get a brain and read international news and realize this is not some binary choice of us supporting the savior of European democracy. And if you want to stand up against a real communist threat think bigger.
Joe may as well deplete our weapons supply to go along with our strategic oil reserve.
 
It’s not semantics lol. It’s lies. They only get emergency health care. They don’t get free lodging. I don’t where you get the idea they get free clothes. Some get snap benefits but not much more. If they get a phone it’s only to be used to contact federal authorities about their status. Their children do get free schooling.

It’s important that we deal in facts if we’re going to solve the damn problem. You read or heard those lies and just pass them on. That doesn’t help.

And before someone freaks out and and starts giving examples of what you say, some states assist illegals in other ways.

RE They don’t get free lodging. (It’s important that we deal in facts).

You do realize that in several sanctuary cities the illegal immigrants do get free lodging correct? Just wanted to make sure we are all dealing with the FACTS
 
RE They don’t get free lodging. (It’s important that we deal in facts).

You do realize that in several sanctuary cities the illegal immigrants do get free lodging correct? Just wanted to make sure we are all dealing with the FACTS
The federal government does not have policies to provide the benefits skydog laid out. As I said, individual states may do it and they may take their federal money and provide some benefits.

But making broad statements that imply our government is giving all kinds of freebies to illegals is false and simply promotes the lies for other intellectually dishonest to repeat.

AGAIN, if the people that live in sanctuary cities don’t like the policies then they get the opportunity to vote against their officials in the next election.
 
The federal government does not have policies to provide the benefits skydog laid out. As I said, individual states may do it and they may take their federal money and provide some benefits.

But making broad statements that imply our government is giving all kinds of freebies to illegals is false and simply promotes the lies for other intellectually dishonest to repeat.

AGAIN, if the people that live in sanctuary cities don’t like the policies then they get the opportunity to vote against their officials in the next election.
So we have established that state and local govts are providing housing. Now, how many of those sanctuary cities have asked for federal support to provide assistance to illegal immigrants?
 
So we have established that state and local govts are providing housing. Now, how many of those sanctuary cities have asked for federal support to provide assistance to illegal immigrants?
How many states? Which ones? Do they provide assistance to every illegal that crosses their state border?
I’m not going down this rabbit hole with you. This issue is very low on my list of concerns. I’m simply pointing out the lies being told about it. You want to scramble to find links that show free cell phones, health care, a place to live, education, food and clothing are being provided, I’m sure you can find an instance where it happened, this proving the point in your mind.
 
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