not this year or next year, but I saw the CBS article stating he raised the topic publicly recently. Seems worth discussing... What do you think that would that mean to Purdue and college hoops generally given the state to which each has evolved today?
Adam Silver talking about allowing HS graduates enter NBA draft...
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I'm on board 100% both philosophically (18 yr old adults free to pursue career and market value) and practically (this would improve the college basketball experience by reducing one and dones). I also think Calipari would retire from coaching.
I think it would level the playing feild somewhat. A few schools just recruit top 5 stars for the sole purpose of getting them to the NBA. The schools that make the 5 stars go to class has a disadvantage.
Don't think it changes the college game at all. It is completely idiotic for the NBA but if morons are watching it right now, they will still watch it afterwards.
I understand the viewpoint from an NBA prospective but the college game will take the biggest hit. It will also create a lot more Leon Smith and Korleone Young's as well. There will be so many kids coming out instead of college that have no business in the NBA. The NBA's decision is based on greed.
I had forgotten how big of an idiot I was for watching NBA basketball. Thanks for reminding me of how dumb I was for watching the best players in the world play sports. How could I be so stupid?
I can't understand how this hurts college whatsoever. It probably hurts the kids making bad decisions most of all but that's the NBA's problem to worry about. People are still going to watch college because they are fans of the various college brands and it will still be entertaining. On the other hand, the NBA would start bringing in more rookies who most fans have never seen play and have no connection to whatsoever.
I think the NBA benefits tremendously from having players getting known in college for a year. For example, if it weren't for the one year at UCLA, I wouldn't know that the Ball father is a complete douche. I wouldn't care at all what Caleb Swanigan does with his NBA career. If Miles Bridges had gone straight to the NBA, I'd never have watched him play in his entire basketball career. Now at least if he does something in the NBA and I happen to hear about it, I'll at least have an idea of who it is.
My initial thought is "Good...we don't get those top ten guys anyway" but then I take another step and see those one and done programs dipping down a bit further into the rest of the teams pool of four stars. It probably helps us in the tournament though as we would be hurt less than Kentucky Duke and Kansas are hurt.
Really! You come off as a condescending jackass to people who like the NBA and then say that? I'm not a big fan of hockey, although I enjoy it live at the game, but I don't criticize the people who enjoy it or call them morons.
To each their own.
But seriously you like the NBA? I never figured you to be that type of person.
I'm actually not a huge sit and watch sports fan anymore so my opinion doesn't matter. I will watch Purdue games and my grandchildren. Otherwise at my age I just don't care whether it's Colts, Pacers, White Sox. But when I was younger, yes, I watched a ton f NBA.
Many of those kids have no business in college either. They would be better served by some type of juniors system like hockey or euro soccer has.
I like the idea. Schools like Duke will probably still be a good basketball powerhouse because it is a good academic school. But many other schools will drop. People like ZO won't be able to sign a dad and his #1 son. Schools like Louisville that are not known for having a great academic program will drop. Schools like Kansas and Kentucky will drop because their players will actually have to go to "real" classes which I highly doubt Wiggins or Iimbid did. It's one thing to take a full load of easy classes to maintain your eligibility. It's another thing to take classes like chemistry, calculus and accounting that lead to a real degree.
When the dust settles, I believe college basketball will evolve into what college baseball is today. The college baseball world series is still a big draw. And I've noticed as far as baseball goes in the BIG 10, any team can enjoy success including Purdue.
When it comes to recruiting, I doubt it will effect Purdue. Because of the math requirement, there are a lot of recruits Purdue never pursues. If Kentucky goes after a 3 and 4 star, it won't be the same players Painter is recruiting. Ok, yes there are exceptions. Willis was an exception. and several players Painter is currently targeting have Kentucky on their mind. if a player wants to go to Kentucky, he will go to Kentucky. But I do believe schools like Kentucky will soon change their recruiting strategy and their talent level will also drop.
When the dust settles, I believe college basketball will evolve into what college baseball is today. The college baseball world series is still a big draw. And I've noticed as far as baseball goes in the BIG 10, any team can enjoy success including Purdue.
When it comes to recruiting, I doubt it will effect Purdue. Because of the math requirement, there are a lot of recruits Purdue never pursues. If Kentucky goes after a 3 and 4 star, it won't be the same players Painter is recruiting. Ok, yes there are exceptions. Willis was an exception. and several players Painter is currently targeting have Kentucky on their mind. if a player wants to go to Kentucky, he will go to Kentucky. But I do believe schools like Kentucky will soon change their recruiting strategy and their talent level will also drop.
Honestly, how many players would get drafted straight out of high school? Maybe 6-8 a year? If you're not a projected lottery pick you're going to enroll in school. Then, if you are a borderline stud that didn't get drafted out of HS and you don't make a quantum leap your freshman year, you probably come back for a second year, maybe a third year, possibly a fourth. The effect on the overall college game IMO would be minimal other than teams like UK who would have to recruit multi-year players like everyone else. On the plus side, fewer freshman studs means more upperclassmen stars, which means more years for star players to stick around and become (marketable) household names, which is a good thing for the college game.
The NBA of "our" youth is not the NBA of today. They actually played something called basketball back then.
That is true. But it is also true of almost every sport I know. Certainly the NFL has changed with the rules to protect the players from devastating hits. Baseball has changed with the changing of the strike zone and other stuff. Young kids today are almost never able to use their heads to protect their brains in soccer. Golf clubs have evolved to the point where some guys can hit the ball 400 yards. Auto racing is completely different. Everything evolves.
Yes, everyone who watches NBA basketball is stupid and their opinions are wrong. Those kinds of people should not be taken seriously.
Adopt the MLB rules of drafting players 1) first coming out of HS 2) after two years in college and 3) after the 4th year....it seems to work for college baseball and why would it not work for college basketball?
The real question is how many kids will THINK they're going to get drafted out of high school because that number will be greater than the number that actually do.
I think a lot of kids get bad advice and would come out with no chance of getting drafted. Also, making 20k a year in the D-League isn't better than college IMO. Go overseas I guess.
If they revert I think you could see Calipari wind up back in the NBA considering his sales pitch would be that since players now HAVE to go to college why not take the year to prep for the NBA?
Probably similar to the number that currently think they are going to get drafted after 1 year in college.
Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, and Arizona would be dipping of course. The difference is, they won't be going after 4-6 kids every year. And the top kids might not want to wait 2-3 years to play. It will likely all even out. There likely isn't more than 10 kids that will forgo college. Maybe another 5 or so will go after one year. Keep in mind, the one and dones existed before and Purdue still did fairly well back then. Purdue is luckily trending upward. Continue to make sweet sixteens and that will help win the occasional battle against blue bloods when we can offer playing time.
I will catch a few finals games - that's top level hoops. But the season is WAY too long.
Simple solution:
Use the model the NCAA and MLB currently use. If a player is drafted out of high school but doesn't sign, he is able to retain his amateur status and play at a college or university. However, once he steps foot on a campus, he is required to stay in college (or away from the NBA) until two years post high school graduation. This is essentially the same model that the NCAA and NFL use with the exception of allowing high school players the ability to go directly pro.
This gives kids the chance to not forfeit their ability at an education because they have a ton of crappy people around them telling them they should go directly to the pros. I also think the NBA should expand the draft to three rounds and expand their developmental league a bit more. Instead of having the dumb Fort Wayne Mad Ants...why not allow a teams to operate out of Indy/Chicago/New York/Salt Lake/etc and have them essentially be direct feeders for the professional team. My thought process is essentially a JV/Varsity concept that you have in high school.
Use the model the NCAA and MLB currently use. If a player is drafted out of high school but doesn't sign, he is able to retain his amateur status and play at a college or university. However, once he steps foot on a campus, he is required to stay in college (or away from the NBA) until two years post high school graduation. This is essentially the same model that the NCAA and NFL use with the exception of allowing high school players the ability to go directly pro.
This gives kids the chance to not forfeit their ability at an education because they have a ton of crappy people around them telling them they should go directly to the pros. I also think the NBA should expand the draft to three rounds and expand their developmental league a bit more. Instead of having the dumb Fort Wayne Mad Ants...why not allow a teams to operate out of Indy/Chicago/New York/Salt Lake/etc and have them essentially be direct feeders for the professional team. My thought process is essentially a JV/Varsity concept that you have in high school.
The reason the the minor league teams are in smaller markets is because that's the only way to get people to go see them. If the Mad Ants were in Indy why would anyone go see them when they have the better product already there? The same goes for baseball. That's why there isn't a minor league team for the Cubs or White Sox in Chicago.
Some minor league teams draw very good crowds because they are the "only game in town". If that same team was located where the big club is they wouldn't get nearly as many people to come see them.
I agree with your baseball analogy for basketball. I think that model would be good for the college game. I don't think it will happen though because the NBA doesn't want these kids coming right out of HS. They like having the college/international teams being their "proving ground". They get a chance to see the product in a more competitive environment before buying.
Nothing says championship basketball like the month of June!!
Yes. I was trying to be as ridiculous sounding at TC4. Hope it worked.
You're missing basketball history. GS is probably going down as the greatest ever. They are playing insane right now. Amazing to watch.
Maybe Lebron will opt out and go play with the Warriors next year so you can marvel at them again!
There is a new independent minor league basketball league that is in 19 different communities - some big as big as Dallas, some as small as Carbondale, IL. I'm not going to compare it to the D league, or baseball minor leagues. I'm also not going to say what the salary structure is or the talent level. A lot of the players came from junior colleges. My guess, is the players are hoping for one last chance to be recognized.
I bring this up for only one reason. this independent semi-pro league didn't exist several years ago, and within 2 years has expanded into a lot of major markets, and it's getting pretty good sponsorship deals. With the right marketing, this league could develop into a viable independent basketball minor league. And the goal of all independent leagues is to one day be par of a major league franchise.
I know very little about this league other than it now exists! This appears to be a semi-pro league. And with all semi-pro leagues, 2-3 of the star players get try-outs.
http://www.sipharaohs.com/stats#/136/standings?season_id=515
I bring this up for only one reason. this independent semi-pro league didn't exist several years ago, and within 2 years has expanded into a lot of major markets, and it's getting pretty good sponsorship deals. With the right marketing, this league could develop into a viable independent basketball minor league. And the goal of all independent leagues is to one day be par of a major league franchise.
I know very little about this league other than it now exists! This appears to be a semi-pro league. And with all semi-pro leagues, 2-3 of the star players get try-outs.
http://www.sipharaohs.com/stats#/136/standings?season_id=515
Then you're missing the absolute pinnacle of the sport. I'll watch the Utah Jazz play the Memphis Grizzlies over Ohio State v Minnesota or some random out of conference game. Purdue games and top 10 matchups are all I'll watch of overly officiated college games. I wana see the elite vs the elite.
I do not watch the NBA. I avoid it because I do not agree with the refs decision not to call fouls on stars and to give them wider latitude offensively and defensively relative to other players. In college, they foul out All-Americans if warranted. remember the NBA ref who scouted out mistresses for MJ? Far too much bend-over-backwards treatment.
Well that's your opinion. Mine is that the NBA isn't real basketball, let alone the pinnacle of it, and I don't think I've voluntarily watched a game in probably 4-5 years. Unfortunately I'll sometimes get stuck at a family event or a sports bar where it is on and others are watching it. I'd much rather watch Murray State and Belmont play than the Warriors and Cavs in the NBA finals.
Tim Donaghy. Enough said.
Also they should make the players dribble the basketball every now and again.
Have they changed the rules to protect players that can't hit free throws yet? The fact that they were even discussing this says a ton.
