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9 man rotation prediction with minutes

I don’t know about that, but Biggie definitely played with Hammons with somewhat mixed results with Vince playing some at the 3. That said, there is no way that TKR plays at the 3, this season. TKR is a different kind of 4 than VE.
Good call sir. For some reason I forget, AJH came off the bench the first 15 games that season. Looks like Vince and Biggie started along with IH or AJH most games that season.

Completely agree on Vince vs Trey, my original point earlier in the thread was that a three big lineup doesn’t work with this roster.
 
Smith 35-40
Loyer 30
TKR 35
Cox 20
Jacobsen 20-25
Harris 20
Cluff 15
Burgess 15

Mayer and Murphy 5 each.
 
Bear in mind that Oscar Cluff has done all of his basketball heroics at South Dakota State. The Jackrabbits. Missouri Valley Conference. He's in the Big Ten now.
For sure, but there is plenty of proof that there are Big 10 players playing in every conference.(practically)
 
Bear in mind that Oscar Cluff has done all of his basketball heroics at South Dakota State. The Jackrabbits. Missouri Valley Conference. He's in the Big Ten now.
Jones did all his damage where again? There are B10 level players all over. The difference is that conferences like the B10 just have more of them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist outside the major conferences.
 
Smith 32, Cox 18, Loyer 24, Cluff 20, TKR 30 =124. Mayer 18, Harris 18, Jacobsen, 18, Murphy 10, Burgess 6, Benter 6.
 
Jones did all his damage where again? There are B10 level players all over. The difference is that conferences like the B10 just have more of them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist outside the major conferences.
Exactly. So many examples of guys from mid majors doing very well in B1G.
 
Exactly. So many examples of guys from mid majors doing very well in B1G.
Jones was at Illinois State right? Bruce Williams was at Charlotte for 3 years before Nebraska. Ja'kobi Gillespie was at Belmont. John Tonje went from Colorado St, averaging 2ppg at Mizzou and then to Wisconsin. Goldin and Wolfe were from FAU and Yale. M
 
I think that Loyer could dip if Mayer is as good as he looks in the video I have watched. We’ll find out soon enough.
Where Loyer could dip I suppose is endgame situations if the following two things are true:

Mayer provides close enough offense to Loyer
Mayer provides better defense than Loyer

So just like Loyer sat out the final play this season bc it was a defensive possession, in a close game at the end, Painter might roll with Mayer IF he thinks Mayer provides similar scoring and better defense for that last say minute or so of play as opposed to trying to finagle offensive defensive subs on the fly.

If course I don't know anything about Mayer on defense. That's the real question mark on when and how much he plays. Obviously he's going to get minutes but if his defense isn't any better than Loyer then Painter isn't playing him over Loyer and he's probably not pulling out Cox in last minute situations where he needs defense.
 
Where Loyer could dip I suppose is endgame situations if the following two things are true:

Mayer provides close enough offense to Loyer
Mayer provides better defense than Loyer

So just like Loyer sat out the final play this season bc it was a defensive possession, in a close game at the end, Painter might roll with Mayer IF he thinks Mayer provides similar scoring and better defense for that last say minute or so of play as opposed to trying to finagle offensive defensive subs on the fly.
Not disagreeing but what’s interesting is that typically, when Braden would jump the passing lane to cut off the cutter/open man (cryer) like he did on that last play, fletch would slide down and take the inbounder (Braden’s man in this case). But yeah we know what happened next 😞
If course I don't know anything about Mayer on defense. That's the real question mark on when and how much he plays. Obviously he's going to get minutes but if his defense isn't any better than Loyer then Painter isn't playing him over Loyer and he's probably not pulling out Cox in last minute situations where he needs defense.
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Where Loyer could dip I suppose is endgame situations if the following two things are true:

Mayer provides close enough offense to Loyer
Mayer provides better defense than Loyer

So just like Loyer sat out the final play this season bc it was a defensive possession, in a close game at the end, Painter might roll with Mayer IF he thinks Mayer provides similar scoring and better defense for that last say minute or so of play as opposed to trying to finagle offensive defensive subs on the fly.

If course I don't know anything about Mayer on defense. That's the real question mark on when and how much he plays. Obviously he's going to get minutes but if his defense isn't any better than Loyer then Painter isn't playing him over Loyer and he's probably not pulling out Cox in last minute situations where he needs defense.
In Tre Williams’ senior year, he entered the season as one of the best centers in the country, but by mid-season he was backing up Edey. As good as Loyer is, Mayer will have the opportunity to impact his minutes if he earns it. I don’t know if Mayer is that good, but I think that there’s a good chance. I will be very surprised if Loyer doesn’t start, however.
 
Where Loyer could dip I suppose is endgame situations if the following two things are true:

Mayer provides close enough offense to Loyer
Mayer provides better defense than Loyer

So just like Loyer sat out the final play this season bc it was a defensive possession, in a close game at the end, Painter might roll with Mayer IF he thinks Mayer provides similar scoring and better defense for that last say minute or so of play as opposed to trying to finagle offensive defensive subs on the fly.

If course I don't know anything about Mayer on defense. That's the real question mark on when and how much he plays. Obviously he's going to get minutes but if his defense isn't any better than Loyer then Painter isn't playing him over Loyer and he's probably not pulling out Cox in last minute situations where he needs defense.
I don't see Mayer walking in and being the offensive threat as a 45% 3pt shooter that Loyer is. Defense is the only area he can catch him. Unless Mayer walks in and is immediately Kasparas Jakucionis.
 
In Tre Williams’ senior year, he entered the season as one of the best centers in the country, but by mid-season he was backing up Edey. As good as Loyer is, Mayer will have the opportunity to impact his minutes if he earns it. I don’t know if Mayer is that good, but I think that there’s a good chance. I will be very surprised if Loyer doesn’t start, however.
If Mayer is a 2x NPOTY in waiting, then he should def play more and loyers mins should decrease. However, I’m not sure that’s the case but would 100% love to be wrong.
 
If Mayer is a 2x NPOTY in waiting, then he should def play more and loyers mins should decrease. However, I’m not sure that’s the case but would 100% love to be wrong.
Nobody knew that Edey would be a 2 time NPOTY at the time. Point is that Painter doesn’t play favorites. It is all about merit.

Loyer is a very good player but he is not so great that it’s far fetched that his PT could be impacted by Mayer. I definitely don’t think that he’ll lose his starting job, but I don’t see that 30+ minutes is guaranteed.
 
Nobody knew that Edey would be a 2 time NPOTY at the time. Point is that Painter doesn’t play favorites. It is all about merit.

Loyer is a very good player but he is not so great that it’s far fetched that his PT could be impacted by Mayer. I definitely don’t think that he’ll lose his starting job, but I don’t see that 30+ minutes is guaranteed.
And I’m saying it’d be awesome if Mayer could be that impactful for 20 min a game like Zach was.

Loyer prob won’t get 30+ but he’s more than likely getting close to 30.
 
Nobody knew that Edey would be a 2 time NPOTY at the time. Point is that Painter doesn’t play favorites. It is all about merit.

Loyer is a very good player but he is not so great that it’s far fetched that his PT could be impacted by Mayer. I definitely don’t think that he’ll lose his starting job, but I don’t see that 30+ minutes is guaranteed.
I think Painter sees himself in Loyer. I think 30 is guaranteed even if Mayer is POTY quality (although I don't see that being the case).

But I CAN see 30 being the most helpful usually plays IF Mayer brings 80 percent of his offense and much more defense.

And the caveat is also Loyer does go through streaks of non contribution. So if he's having one of those games where he's just not doing much, then I can see having more options means you can see if Mayer is hot or run 2 guards with Murphy and two bigs more in that particular game.
 
I don't see Mayer walking in and being the offensive threat as a 45% 3pt shooter that Loyer is. Defense is the only area he can catch him. Unless Mayer walks in and is immediately Kasparas Jakucionis.
One of top international scouts believes he is a better prospect than KJ.
 
In Tre Williams’ senior year, he entered the season as one of the best centers in the country, but by mid-season he was backing up Edey. As good as Loyer is, Mayer will have the opportunity to impact his minutes if he earns it. I don’t know if Mayer is that good, but I think that there’s a good chance. I will be very surprised if Loyer doesn’t start, however.
I wouldn't consider him to be backing up Edey. From what I recall, they basically split 40 minutes. Sometimes Trevion started, sometimes Zach started. It went back and forth.
 
I wouldn't consider him to be backing up Edey. From what I recall, they basically split 40 minutes. Sometimes Trevion started, sometimes Zach started. It went back and forth.
No that was definitely a direct split. I would go so far as to say Trevino was the nominal starter but they both played about the same minutes and brought different things to the position depending on who we were playing.
 
Who would you play at the 3?
Considering we haven't seen West, Mayer, or Benter play with the team, and that we have a completely different front court scheme this year it's almost impossible to predict. It's fun trying, but trying to figure out if one of the above 3 are better than Cox or Loyer is complete guess work.

I think Painter will put together the squad that plays to Braden, TKR, and maybe Jacobsen's strengths the most similar to how he has formed teams around his stars in the past. I do think our style of play will change greatly from last year since we have 2 solid actual centers on the roster. Cluff can play inside out ball like our traditional play style and Jacobsen can stretch the floor and play pick and roll ball.

Given the above, I think quick decisions, fast hands, ball movement, and tenacious D would be the best fit around the above 2-3 stars. That would seem to favor Mayer and Cox for the last 2 spots from the little I have seen from the new guys. Painter is loyal to his players, but he has and will shift from a starter to a bench player even if they are good if someone compliments his stars better.
 
A 2nd "primary" ball handler on the court is really big. If that guy can also shoot it as well as Fletch he'll be playing.
If the other ball handler can shoot 45% from 3/be a top 5-10 shooter from 3 in the country on same volume like Fletch, he def should be playing over him. Not sure who that would be though.
 
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I think Painter sees himself in Loyer. I think 30 is guaranteed even if Mayer is POTY quality (although I don't see that being the case).

But I CAN see 30 being the most helpful usually plays IF Mayer brings 80 percent of his offense and much more defense.

And the caveat is also Loyer does go through streaks of non contribution. So if he's having one of those games where he's just not doing much, then I can see having more options means you can see if Mayer is hot or run 2 guards with Murphy and two bigs more in that particular game.
But Painter has shown in the past that he will bench/lower PT for "his" guys, if it makes the stars around that guy better. Gillis and Morton in recent teams for example. Now usually the players aren't nearly as good as Loyer, so it will take Mayer playing EXTREMELY well to eat through too many minutes, but Painter has done it in the past.
 
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