26 turnovers so far for Baylor

[gelesen]

7 minutes to play yet.

 

[Frankie611]

I really wish the NCAA would put some focus on officiating the press. They are hammering the shit out of Baylor on some of these with the official standing right there. Obviously as a Purdue fan I have no problem with smothering D, but it seems some games they let teams do a press while others they call fouls. Just would like some consistency.

I don't want to take away from what press Virginia does either. It is a very impressive system.

 

[DG10]

I really wish the NCAA would put some focus on officiating the press. They are hammering the shit out of Baylor on some of these with the official standing right there. Obviously as a Purdue fan I have no problem with smothering D, but it seems some games they let teams do a press while others they call fouls. Just would like some consistency.

I don't want to take away from what press Virginia does either. It is a very impressive system.

Commentators made more or less the same point, as they said WVU plays with the mindset that they simply won't be called every time, and that officials get "taxed" with trying to know what to call a foul and what not to so as to draw a line (hint...if it is a foul...it should be called (but unfortunately it is not).

WVU is good...no doubt about it...but they flat out foul and get away with it, and do so over and over and over.

On a side note...outcomes aside...pretty cool to watch Scott and his Baylor team on one ESPN channel and Bryce and his Vanderbilt team on another.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Memories of Arkansas' 40 minutes of hell ... national champions in 1994 ...

 

[Dakota Girl]

Commentators made more or less the same point, as they said WVU plays with the mindset that they simply won't be called every time, and that officials get "taxed" with trying to know what to call a foul and what not to so as to draw a line (hint...if it is a foul...it should be called (but unfortunately it is not).

WVU is good...no doubt about it...but they flat out foul and get away with it, and do so over and over and over.

On a side note...outcomes aside...pretty cool to watch Scott and his Baylor team on one ESPN channel and Bryce and his Vanderbilt team on another.

Playing WVU would require a very special practice plan. If you can get your guys to be able to deal with that contact and play through it, you have a chance. I wonder how if having the ball handler move into the defender as he attacks to make the foul more of pronounced would help the refs? Kind of like you would do to a shot blocker when taking him to the basket. It would be an ugly game.

 

[punaj]

Kind of hard to be upset with WVU. Hard nosed defense (where most opposing fan bases would call that lots of fouling) has been our staple. Kramer in particular probably wouldn't get away with half of what he did in today's game. But being a boiler fan I loved every minute of watching Purdue play that way and still enjoy a good 5 second call, even though it is a dying thing with all the rule changes.

 

[DG10]

Kind of hard to be upset with WVU. Hard nosed defense (where most opposing fan bases would call that lots of fouling) has been our staple. Kramer in particular probably wouldn't get away with half of what he did in today's game. But being a boiler fan I loved every minute of watching Purdue play that way and still enjoy a good 5 second call, even though it is a dying thing with all the rule changes.

That is the thing though...the game is not played that way any longer, as rule changes don't allow for it...except apparently in Morgantown, WV.

I (and others seemingly) simply don't understand how/why only they are allowed to play that way.

I loved every minute of it as well when it was allowed, and loved how Kramer played (and loved watching him play)...but, the game changed, and changed pretty dramatically in terms of how it had been played...like say, I just don't get how/why it is not the same set of rules for basically a single team, as it just does not make sense.

 

[punaj]

That is the thing though...the game is not played that way any longer, as rule changes don't allow for it...except apparently in Morgantown, WV.

I (and others seemingly) simply don't understand how/why only they are allowed to play that way.

I loved every minute of it as well when it was allowed, and loved how Kramer played (and loved watching him play)...but, the game changed, and changed pretty dramatically in terms of how it had been played...like say, I just don't get how/why it is not the same set of rules for basically a single team, as it just does not make sense.

Good points.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Kind of hard to be upset with WVU. Hard nosed defense (where most opposing fan bases would call that lots of fouling) has been our staple. Kramer in particular probably wouldn't get away with half of what he did in today's game. But being a boiler fan I loved every minute of watching Purdue play that way and still enjoy a good 5 second call, even though it is a dying thing with all the rule changes.

kramer wasn't as handsy as people like to think. He got his steals by smothering the guy when he picked up his dribble and forcing the pass out higher and wider than the other team was wanted. He wouldn't have been able to run under people to get those charge calls, but his on ball defense was very good and methodical.

 

[Boiler Wolf]

I was surprised by a comment on the Badgernation forum about Purdue being "handsy" in their game with us as "Purdue always is". I was surprised at this as I don't think we've played that way for 3 or 4 years with the rule changes for freedom of movement. I've heard this from Illinois fans as well. Reputations die hard.

 

[DG10]

kramer wasn't as handsy as people like to think. He got his steals by smothering the guy when he picked up his dribble and forcing the pass out higher and wider than the other team was wanted. He wouldn't have been able to run under people to get those charge calls, but his on ball defense was very good and methodical.

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Kramer had incredible footwork, and was a very good athlete...and he was competitive, relentless and took tremendous pride in his ability to defend. He was physical, but not to a point that he was "handsy" as you had alluded to, or, that he was as good as he was because he was physical and/or fouled whoever he was guarding.

 

[DG10]

I was surprised by a comment on the Badgernation forum about Purdue being "handsy" in their game with us as "Purdue always is". I was surprised at this as I don't think we've played that way for 3 or 4 years with the rule changes for freedom of movement. I've heard this from Illinois fans as well. Reputations die hard.

You are right in that teams are not allowed to be "handsy" any longer, and Purdue was called for a couple of seemingly cheap fouls on Sunday actually for using their hands allegedly.

 

[Dakota Girl]

I was surprised by a comment on the Badgernation forum about Purdue being "handsy" in their game with us as "Purdue always is". I was surprised at this as I don't think we've played that way for 3 or 4 years with the rule changes for freedom of movement. I've heard this from Illinois fans as well. Reputations die hard.

You nailed it. It's old reputation. If they bothered to see our low foul numbers they would see how it conflicts with their narrative...or maybe they wouldn't

 

[Dryfly88]

WV was called for 20 fouls and Baylor 21. They had 1 player with 4 fouls and everyone else 3 or less. Huggins played 9 guys double digit minutes and another player 9 minutes. Playing at home with that few fouls called they would be hard to beat by anybody. Couple that with Baylor shooting terrible from the floor and the FT line and you get a blowout.

If WV is allowed to play with that kind of contact/physical play they can beat anyone. They get a game where the officials are willing to grind it to a halt calling every foul and they could get beat by virtually any decent team. As someone earlier said, Huggins banks on the fact that you simply aren't going to blow the whistle that much and all it takes is a couple big runs and they have the game won.

I admit I like watching them play. You just don't see teams play like that especially now with the rule changes. They are different and makes for entertaining game (as long as it's not your team getting "beat up")!!

 

[DG10]

WV was called for 20 fouls and Baylor 21. They had 1 player with 4 fouls and everyone else 3 or less. Huggins played 9 guys double digit minutes and another player 9 minutes. Playing at home with that few fouls called they would be hard to beat by anybody. Couple that with Baylor shooting terrible from the floor and the FT line and you get a blowout.

If WV is allowed to play with that kind of contact/physical play they can beat anyone. They get a game where the officials are willing to grind it to a halt calling every foul and they could get beat by virtually any decent team. As someone earlier said, Huggins banks on the fact that you simply aren't going to blow the whistle that much and all it takes is a couple big runs and they have the game won.

I admit I like watching them play. You just don't see teams play like that especially now with the rule changes. They are different and makes for entertaining game (as long as it's not your team getting "beat up")!!

I generally like watching them play as well, as I enjoy the style of play...at the same time, it gets to a point though that I dislike it in that per what has been discussed, they are the only team allowed to play that way seemingly.

When they are allowed to play that way...as you said, they are capable of beating anyone...yet, if they are in a game in the NCAA tournament and are not allowed to play that way, they could be out in a hurry (as was the case a year ago). While it is a disservice to other teams to allow them to play the way that they do, it is potentially an equal disservice to them in that regard.