2018 recruiting radar

[nagemj02]

Could someone more "in the know" on all of the 2018 Purdue prospects make a comprehensive list of which guys the Boilermakers still have a realistic chance of getting?

I know that they already have the Trevion Williams commitment.

Maybe someone could organize the prospects by their supposed positions. Thank you in advance.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Could someone more "in the know" on all of the 2018 Purdue prospects make a comprehensive list of which guys the Boilermakers still have a realistic chance of getting?

I know that they already have the Trevion Williams commitment.

Maybe someone could organize the prospects by their supposed positions. Thank you in advance.

You want actual offers or people we are looking at as well?

 

[Wolegib]

there is already a web site that has that information with top targeted players, interested and scouting looks and offers. and it also includes the players feelings about the school to include committed, warmer, warm, cool and no interest. that site is going to be as accurate as any single poster.

to date, we have 4 targets that reflect Purdue as warm - Hunter, Trapp, Dow, and Embery. of those 4, Hunter is the only one currently listed as a top target.

I noticed Dow moved up from 3* to 4*.

 

[Wolegib]

oooooops. I just noticed who the originator of this thread was. I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[boilerbusdriver]

there is already a web site that has that information with top targeted players, interested and scouting looks and offers. and it also includes the players feelings about the school to include committed, warmer, warm, cool and no interest. that site is going to be as accurate as any single poster.

to date, we have 4 targets that reflect Purdue as warm - Hunter, Trapp, Dow, and Embery. of those 4, Hunter is the only one currently listed as a top target.

I noticed Dow moved up from 3* to 4*.

Could you share that site?
Thanks Wole!

 

[Wolegib]

Could you share that site?
Thanks Wole!

no. it's not hammer and rails. But it is online 24/7.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

no. it's not hammer and rails. But it is online 24/7.

247 is fine but their information isn't always up to date and their "crystal ball" predictions are as accurate as those predicting elections.

There was a post from GBI https://purdue.rivals.com/news/gallery-summer-basketball-recruiting-events some we know and some new faces. Not sure if offers have been extended.

 

[Wolegib]

the problem is things change. and a site is only as accurate as the information provided. I can't believe 24/7 contacts every recruit on a daily basis It still lists both trapp and Dow as warm. I'm not sure if that's still accurate or not. but I've found it is just as accurate as all the insiders who claim to have knowledge.

And looking at the originator of this thread, and knowing it came from NAG, I believe that was the point of his post. i.e. he's tired of people saying they have insider info, when they don't know anything more than anybody else does.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

the problem is things change. and a site is only as accurate as the information provided. I can't believe 24/7 contacts every recruit on a daily basis It still lists both trapp and Dow as warm. I'm not sure if that's still accurate or not. but I've found it is just as accurate as all the insiders who claim to have knowledge.

And looking at the originator of this thread, and knowing it came from NAG, I believe that was the point of his post. i.e. he's tired of people saying they have insider info, when they don't know anything more than anybody else does.

It is a database - so garbage in garbage out. Honestly unless you are top 150 they aren't changing much in there.

 

[Wolegib]

NAG does make a point. how accurate are any of these recruiting sites as far as their information about the relationship a school has with a recruit? Where/who do they get their information from? I'm not talking about the rankings or talent evaluation. I'm talking about the warm and crystal ball predictions. i.e., Is Trapp still interested in Purdue? is Purdue still interested in him? At one time, he was the lone big man interested in Purdue. But where does he stand now?

24/7's crystal ball predictions sometimes seem like either a crap shoot or throwing darts. I realize those predictions are supposedly made by real scouts or media writers. but their accuracy is worse than mine. and they do this stuff for a living.

I have insider info on TE Luke Ford, but even Luke doesn't know where he's going to sign. he's got a ton of offers, but his mind changes every month. Sometimes I see all the other offers, and I say no way would a player turn down the Purdue offer, and poof, he signs with somebody else.

So what is the most reliable source? Insider on a pay for view site? a recruiting database site? following a player's twitter? or just being patient and waiting until they announce it?

 

[nagemj02]

You want actual offers or people we are looking at as well?

both, if possible

wolegib, I wasn't being sarcastic in the original message: I just want to see who all the known prospects are (offers or mutual interest) in a way that can be laid out in detail on here. I think doing that would bring more clarity to who we want to see the staff offer and/or get (commitments from).

 

[Wolegib]

On a related note, I would like to see the names of the athletes that Lutz was either the first or the prime recruiter to be able to track his success as a successful recruiter.

 

[Dakota Girl]

NAG does make a point. how accurate are any of these recruiting sites as far as their information about the relationship a school has with a recruit? Where/who do they get their information from? I'm not talking about the rankings or talent evaluation. I'm talking about the warm and crystal ball predictions. i.e., Is Trapp still interested in Purdue? is Purdue still interested in him? At one time, he was the lone big man interested in Purdue. But where does he stand now?

24/7's crystal ball predictions sometimes seem like either a crap shoot or throwing darts. I realize those predictions are supposedly made by real scouts or media writers. but their accuracy is worse than mine. and they do this stuff for a living.

I have insider info on TE Luke Ford, but even Luke doesn't know where he's going to sign. he's got a ton of offers, but his mind changes every month. Sometimes I see all the other offers, and I say no way would a player turn down the Purdue offer, and poof, he signs with somebody else.

So what is the most reliable source? Insider on a pay for view site? a recruiting database site? following a player's twitter? or just being patient and waiting until they announce it?

Your last option, wait and see, is the only accurate method. I think you could build a fantasy hoops recruiter similar to a fantasy NFL GM game and be just as accurate as the experts. But if your really into it the fun is in the trying to figure it out and see how close you get.

 

[RFSNES]

Could someone more "in the know" on all of the 2018 Purdue prospects make a comprehensive list of which guys the Boilermakers still have a realistic chance of getting?

I know that they already have the Trevion Williams commitment.

Maybe someone could organize the prospects by their supposed positions. Thank you in advance.

Would someone out there answer the damn question
and make a list

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Position Offer Year
Duane Washington PG No 2018
Robert Phinisee PG Yes 2018
Jaelin Llewellyn PG Yes 2018
Keyshawn Embery PG Yes 2018
Neftali Alvarex PG Yes 2018
Romeo Langford SG Yes 2018
Eric Hunter SG Yes 2018
Louis King SF Yes 2018
Kaden Archie SF Yes 2018
Talen Horton-Tucker SF Yes 2018
Justin Ahrens SF Yes 2018
Warren Washington PF No 2018
Immanuel Bates PF Yes 2018
Jaxson Hayes PF Yes 2018
Colin Castleton PF Yes 2018
Shaq Cartter PF Yes JUCO
Michael Durr C No 2018
Bryan Penn-Johnson C Yes 2018
Emmanuel Dowuona C Yes 2018
Adam Trapp C Yes 2018

Some of the no offers I added based on the photos posted by Gold and Black from the summer recruiting session. Not sure if we are offering or just watching as of right now.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Added Llewellyn back because I saw some comments on Twitter that he is having second thoughts.

Full disclosure - I am not a premium member

 

[Schnelk]

Thanks CB.

 

[02Boilermaker]

I'm not sure if this is 2018, beyond, or both, but it's a recruiting question.

Coach Lutz took the trip to Estonia to scout the FIBA U18s. Has anyone seen any reports that Painter & Co. have specific targets in mind, or is it just the staff leaving no stone unturned?

 

[oldboiler52]

IMO any list is worthless . Nojel's mom indicated more than most readers picked up on when she said why Nojel picked Purdue . If you want to have a better insight to where a kid is going to go research the parents . Research the AAU program he plays for . Research the other offers he has . Research the current players on the roster in front of him. I will tell you this if you have an offer from Purdue regardless of where you're ranked you've earned it . Every parent I have spoken with say the same things they chose Purdue because of Painters honesty . It is easy to charm A 17 year old kid . Isaac went to WF they brought in Tim Duncan and Chris Paul he committed based solely on that . We all know the Swanigan story it was Barnes who convinced him Painter was the better coach for him not the best recruiter . I know of only two players we have offered that have Purdue at the top of their list and IMO that will probably change after we play Canada . Once all doubts are removed about Nojel's ability to play the point they will choose elsewhere . And many will blame Painter for not landing them . When in fact Painter did his job the year before by signing Nojel . We need another 4/ 5 and those who have an offer should commit to Purdue in 10 years Painter has converted 4 bigmen non McDonalds all stars into NBA level players Johnson, Landry, Hammons and Hummel . Add Biggie to that list and a responsible parent you maybe able to narrow the list . As for me I have no clue !

 

[Wolegib]

While not as obvious as Brohm's many football flips, Painter has proven with Haas and Swanigan, that he will keep after a player he wants until they have signed.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

While not as obvious as Brohm's many football flips, Painter has proven with Haas and Swanigan, that he will keep after a player he wants until they have signed.

Didn't Painter tell Haas to keep his commitment to Wake?

 

[Do Dah Day]

Didn't Painter tell Haas to keep his commitment to Wake?

ergo - honesty. and I deeply appreciate your insightful posts, this is not a bad comment.

 

[Wolegib]

Didn't Painter tell Haas to keep his commitment to Wake?

maybe he should try that tactic with Langford, Anderson and hunter.

 

[Boilerman1973]

The best reliable source is to wait until the kid signs and then you will know

 

[Boilerman1973]

Right now I wouldn't count AJ Hammons or Johnson as NBA players neither one of them are there.

 

[Boilerman1973]

Hammons is a D-League player Johnson's nowhere to be found. And I'm not trying to be sarcastic that's just the truth. I didn't put Robbie in there because he got hurt so I don't count him as not making it I truly believe he would have been an NBA player if he didn't get hurt.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Hammons is a D-League player Johnson's nowhere to be found. And I'm not trying to be sarcastic that's just the truth. I didn't put Robbie in there because he got hurt so I don't count him as not making it I truly believe he would have been an NBA player if he didn't get hurt.

Wow. You sir, are ignorant even by inbred southern Indiana hill jack IU fan standards.

 

[Boilerkid18]

Wow. You sir, are ignorant even by inbred southern Indiana hill jack IU fan standards.

Not that I'm supporting boilerman, but he kind of is right- Johnson is playing overseas, and Hammons will be a D-league player until he proves himself. He's stuck behind Whiteside, Kelly Olynkyk, and Adebayo until he proves he can play at a consistent level.

 

[arcb102000]

Johnson was a first round pick and got guaranteed money. He made it to the NBA. Staying in the NBA was on him.

Hammons was a second round pick, though early second. Again, he made a team. Staying with the team is on him.

Both players were not five-stars or McD AAs. They got into the NBA. Painter did them well. What more was he supposed to do?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Not that I'm supporting boilerman, but he kind of is right- Johnson is playing overseas, and Hammons will be a D-league player until he proves himself. He's stuck behind Whiteside, Kelly Olynkyk, and Adebayo until he proves he can play at a consistent level.

Yes, obviously, but all three of them were in the NBA for at least one season, drawing NBA paychecks.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Not that I'm supporting boilerman, but he kind of is right- Johnson is playing overseas, and Hammons will be a D-league player until he proves himself. He's stuck behind Whiteside, Kelly Olynkyk, and Adebayo until he proves he can play at a consistent level.

Perhaps a better way to put this in context is related to being drafted and getting an NBA opportunity. Each of JaJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore, AJ Hammons, and Caleb Swanigan all tested the draft waters to get feedback.....each returned to Purdue to get better and they did.....enough to get drafted, with JJ and CS being first-rounders. Kudos to all of them as many of us have pointed out, but CMP should get some credit for that too. In addition, RH and CL were drafted in the second round. Although not stellar, Carl Landry carved out a nice career with a little niche as a back-up forward and even made some contributions on play-off teams. Even with his injuries, I thought Rob Hummel might stick with Minnesota longer; he had some nice moments, but it also shows how tough it can be to stay in the league.

None of these players were considered sure-fire NBA players to my recollection.....great recruits, yes.....but nothing like expected lottery picks, etc.

CMP can certainly point to those players as showing how he can get you the opportunity if you have the talent and the desire to work hard....I can see how that could be a really good selling point, but I can see the limitations, too.

Vincent Edwards and Isaac Haas could be the next ones in line to add to that list....time will tell.

It's a program building process. JMHO

 

[Boilerkid18]

Yes, obviously, but all three of them were in the NBA for at least one season, drawing NBA paychecks.

Yes, you're right on that, not saying they aren't/were great players and representatives of Purdue, just agreeing with boilerman on one point based on their current spot in the present with their respective careers (can't believe I'm agreeing). Wouldn't it be nice to cash out on a couple million for shooting some hoops?

 

[Wolegib]

it's a matter of perspective. it's true Painter prepared them to go to the NBA and they were drafted, and what they do after that is on them. That's how I and many others see it. but when Painter talks to an 18 year old recruit, is that how they see it?

What if what you think should be a really big selling point of your program is really meeting with deaf ears? and what if rather than looking at all the bigs we've had drafted, they want to know about all the players who became all stars ? What is the real attraction of going to Kentucky or Duke?

I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking the question.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Yes, you're right on that, not saying they aren't/were great players and representatives of Purdue, just agreeing with boilerman on one point based on their current spot in the present with their respective careers (can't believe I'm agreeing). Wouldn't it be nice to cash out on a couple million for shooting some hoops?

From our perspective, hell yes! But from theirs...
We always want what don't have don't we.

 

[Dakota Girl]

it's a matter of perspective. it's true Painter prepared them to go to the NBA and they were drafted, and what they do after that is on them. That's how I and many others see it. but when Painter talks to an 18 year old recruit, is that how they see it?

What if what you think should be a really big selling point of your program is really meeting with deaf ears? and what if rather than looking at all the bigs we've had drafted, they want to know about all the players who became all stars ? What is the real attraction of going to Kentucky or Duke?

I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking the question.

I think all the high 5 stars are continuing to go to Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, and NC simply because they see them selves as one and done and if they have to spend a year in college then they want the best chance of winning a NCAA title. Add to it the fact that all the media attention is directed to those schools, the facilities, living quarters, and in some cases, shall we say, academic accommodation are top notch, it's not hard to see why they choose them.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Here is your list of semi realistic guys......of these we MIGHT land 1, two if we are VERY, VERY fortunate......
Robert Phinisee
Keyshawn Embery
Eric Hunter
Emmanuel Dowuona

Here are the Maybes....like if they visit or CMP visits them.......
Jaxson Hayes
Colin Castleton
Duane Washington

Other longshots until Purdue shows more interest or they show more interest in Purdue......rest of CB's list....plus Butler who was not on his list I believe.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

plus Butler who was not on his list I believe.

Thanks - forgot about him.

 

[StickPurdue]

Here is your list of semi realistic guys......of these we MIGHT land 1, two if we are VERY, VERY fortunate......
Robert Phinisee
Keyshawn Embery
Eric Hunter
Emmanuel Dowuona

Here are the Maybes....like if they visit or CMP visits them.......
Jaxson Hayes
Colin Castleton
Duane Washington

Other longshots until Purdue shows more interest or they show more interest in Purdue......rest of CB's list....plus Butler who was not on his list I believe.

I think Purdue has a shot at Ahrens, and he should at least be a maybe. THT is more like a long shot than a maybe, but I think Purdue would make his top 5 if he came out with one today. Embery was almost a lock, but he blew up this summer and added major offer after major offer. For whatever inexplicable reason he really likes Arkansas and Oklahoma hasn't offered him. I think Purdue is in his top 3, but I would be surprised if Embery chooses Purdue. Dowuana is holding out for better offers, but he didn't jump up much at all over the summer and Purdue is strongly in the mix.

I wouldn't be surprised if we land Washington or Castleton, but I think Hayes is more like a long shot. In the end, it's all conjecture though. I think he will end up getting some good pieces, but I don't know if he grabs another future star like Eastern, Edwards, and Biggie before him although a Williams has a chance to be that guy.

 

[Chuchumutha]

FWIW, We made Jeremiah Francis' top 10. Still a longshot but better than not making it.

 

[nagemj02]

Who is the biggest Purdue "lean" right now (of all the players mentioned)?