2017 recruiting board
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There is no way that anyone knows what is being said behind closed doors, and whether or not CMP is charismatic enough or not. Pure speculation and arm chair quarterbacking going on here.
There's a lot of talk about how much Painter puts into recruiting these guys. My guess is that everyone else out there is working just as hard. The difference is less about effort and more about lack of results.
Sheesh. Again, not like he's that good of a player, but New Mexico? Let me guess, he likes cactus juice and going to rodeos?
It's not how important the recruit is, it just matters that you complain about it.
Yea, sadly that's a true statement. CMP is experienced in the art of the reach when it comes to recruiting.
I'd hope for waiting it out for high caliber recruits but he's not good at closing on them anyway.
We're very fortunate that he found Carsen .
And Vince and Haas and Cline and Dakota.... And was able to steal Biggie from MSU
You and others keep doing this. You complain when CMP doesn't get a recruit and then you use words like Lucky or fortunate when he does get one. If he is going to get beat up when we don't get a kid then he needs to get the same level of praise when he lands a good one.
Carsen, Haas, Caleb, Ryan, Dakota, Vince.... These are all very good players that Matt recruited. It's not luck any more than it's unlucky when we don't get one. Just asking for consistency not selective bitching.
Edit: I see Boiledsteel and I are on the same page.
Who's left???
-Eastern
-Epperson
-Wheeler
-Manley
Might be missing a few but my guess they aren't ranked very high if so.
4-5 open scholarships next year and that's who we have to pick from. I see more offers coming out till a commit.
-Eastern
-Epperson
-Wheeler
-Manley
Might be missing a few but my guess they aren't ranked very high if so.
4-5 open scholarships next year and that's who we have to pick from. I see more offers coming out till a commit.
I don't see it happening, but if Painter lands Eastern, Epperson, Wheeler, and Manley that would be a very solid class. Two top 100 and two players that are projects but could end up producing. At this point I think we would be lucky to land Manley and Wheeler. Right now I think we are a favorite for Manly, but his high major offers are flowing in. Purdue needs to put the pressure and go all in on Eastern and Manley to try and get early commits. Then they can focus on Epperson and Wheeler who will both likely sign later. Eastern would see some pretty big minutes unless Painter brings in a transfer next year, especially if Biggie leaves. Manley/Epperson would also see big minutes early as well. Wheeler would likely get a redshirt and wait for him to develop. For recruiting, Purdue could use Biggie having a huge year and showing he will go to NBA next year. If he stays around the same level of last year, he will likely be back for a third year. I expect him to improve on every aspect of his game and be more dominant. Edwards would move to the 4. J.T. Is the only backup for the 4-5. That means there will be lots of minutes and if they don't fill the minutes, they will have to play small. I would love to see Eastern, Epperson, and Manley sign. Wheeler would be more of a luxury for depth. I really think Purdue should have offered Bane last year. They could have red shirted him, and he would find playing time early. Instead, Purdue held onto the scholarships. I understood the gamble, but it didn't work out (unless somehow Painter finds a way to steal somebody who decomits). As a Purdue fan, I would still be very happy to land all 4 players that are still top priorities. Other than JJ, Eastern was the player I thought Purdue needed the most. He is unlikely to sign Purdue, but he is still in play. Painter should be doing everything legally he can to land him. Whatever it takes. Same with Manley. Painter can't let up on Manley because of all the big time offers he is getting.
Sorry to pick on you Nag, but this is the type of post that makes me crazy. You are speculating on what the dialog was between Painter and the recruit, and on what the assistants are doing. This sort of statement becomes a fixed idea in the minds of many. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are not right either. It is like that bull crap about point guards not wanting to play for Painter. I think you started that mess also. Sorry if that was not you. We need to examine these ideas, but not treat them as facts.
Epperson and Manley are both center prospects I believe, so it's unlikely they both sign...let alone either of them. Both look like solid players, I'd take either one.
Your insight is outstanding. So in how many meetings with painter and the recruits have been a part? Have you even met Painter.
you don't need to be sorry. Nag is a continuos source of extremely strong statements about topics he knows nothing about. Those who think similarly take it and run. Next thing you know our main fan board appears to be bashing the team yet again. Creating a negative narrative at every opportunity is at best contributing to a self fulfilling prophecy.Sorry to pick on you Nag, but this is the type of post that makes me crazy. You are speculating on what the dialog was between Painter and the recruit, and on what the assistants are doing. This sort of statement becomes a fixed idea in the minds of many. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are not right either. It is like that bull crap about point guards not wanting to play for Painter. I think you started that mess also. Sorry if that was not you. We need to examine these ideas, but not treat them as facts.
Manley and Epperson can both shoot. Manley is athletic enough to play as a stretch four. It is unlikely we sign both, but it isn't impossible. Haas and Edwards will be a senior and Biggie is likely gone. The only center PF we will have on the roster is Taylor and he is more like a stretch four than a traditional Center, and he will even be a Junior next year. There are many minutes in the 4 and 5 opening up very soon. It's all about how you sell it. I'd rather sign Manley now than risk it all on a gamble from Epperson given our current luck.
I get your frustration but Albequerque is on a giant growth pattern and the pit is a awesome place to watch basketball. Not really a bad seat and close to as loud as Mackey.
....welcome haarms
Commits:
___ - Haarms
Offers:
(57) - Epperson (per 247)
75 - Eastern
NR - Manley
NR - Wheeler
74 - Obiagu (off list)
86 - Tillman (Michigan St)
96 - Roberts (Missouri)
143 - Battey (Colorado)
NR - Sodom (New Mexico)
Commits:
___ - Haarms
Offers:
(57) - Epperson (per 247)
75 - Eastern
NR - Manley
NR - Wheeler
96 - Roberts (Missouri)
""I have amazing trust in Coach (Matt) Painter and the entire coaching staff that they can make me as good as I want to be," Haarms said not long after finishing his call with Boilermaker associate head coach Jack Owens. "That's what they showed me on my visit. The entire coaching staff trusted me. I loved the staff, loved the guys."
Purdue's history of developing big men appealed to Haarms, who also talked a lot about trust.
When asked what resonated about his visit, Haarms said, "The way coach Painter talked about what we were about to do, the way they would develop me, the way he handles himself. Coach Painter is an extremely genuine guy. I believe everything he says. When he says something, you give a lot of value to what he's saying." I guess he liked the honest approach and THAT should say what the kid values...
On that note...
Got to see David Boudia speak last week at the Krannert event in Indy. Coming out of high school, he was getting heavily recruited by everyone, IU, Ohio State, Florida, etc, as you can imagine. But he picked Purdue.
Purdue's diving coach was the only coach who didn't promise to get him to the Olympics. He promised him a program that would prepare him for the Olympics, and that's it. Boudia appreciated the straight forward approach, and ended up bringing gold back to Purdue.
Commits:
NR 3 star - Haarms
NR 3 star - Wheeler
Offers:
(57) - Epperson (per 247)
75 - Eastern
NR - Haase
74 - Obiagu (off list)
86 - Tillman (Michigan St)
96 - Roberts (Missouri)
143 - Battey (Colorado)
NR - Sodom (New Mexico)
NR - Manley (north Carolina)
....take just one more and focus on '18?
NR 3 star - Haarms
NR 3 star - Wheeler
Offers:
(57) - Epperson (per 247)
75 - Eastern
NR - Haase
86 - Tillman (Michigan St)
96 - Roberts (Missouri)
143 - Battey (Colorado)
NR - Sodom (New Mexico)
NR - Manley (north Carolina)
....take just one more and focus on '18?
Someone posted in another thread, but I think wheeler is ranked around 127. Unless I read it wrong which I could have.
"Many?" What exactly does that mean?
The only place I see these claims are from some complainer who admits he's "guessing" and then a small group of people mindlessly agreeing with him.
http://247sports.com/Player/Aaron-Wheeler-86875
#204 is his Composite Rating. The 247Sports Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services.
#123 is 247 Rating.
Regardless, it's just a number. But, it does show that he is trending upwards. Which I see as a positive.
ondigo - still have an offer? rivals never listed but is still on a couple other places
eastern - any plans on another unofficial visit after cancelling last week's?
eastern - any plans on another unofficial visit after cancelling last week's?
I'm very consistent in my view of CMP.
He's a slightly above average head coach for Purdue.
Your astute observation has surely detected ,by now, that Painter's annual ritual of missing on high caliber talent continues.
What consistently holds back CMP from taking this program to a higher level is his lack of ability to close on the great players.
Yea, I'm glad that we have Vince, Caleb,Isaac and Carsen.
Here's the thing, you must have that caliber of player multiple times in every recruiting class or else we'll likely continue to be wannabes for lack of talent.
Of course we could rely on a run of fortuitous luck come post season.
Doesn't seem like a great strategy.
Of course even the Cubs can make a World Series once in a great while.
So Swanigan I guess was a miss right? This is why you on the negative side have no credibility. Every argument you pose has already been refuted with actual fact.
We get it, you hate Painter and blame him from everything from not getting to a final four to your erectile dysfunction, but at this point there is no new evidence you can provide that hasn't already been shot down.
My astute observation is that you are way too negative for me. I'm excited about the coming season and the recruits we have gotten so far. Your and others constant hand wringing has gotten tired.
