What's the problem? Is it the OC? Are the WR not seeing opportunity? Something is happening we don't know about. - Does anyone inside the program know?
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Sheffield was a grad transfer. I dont really expect anyone who has graduated to stay.What's the problem? Is it the OC? Are the WR not seeing opportunity? Something is happening we don't know about. - Does anyone inside the program know?
I was wondering too but the other day I noticed that even nd has lost 4 wr's and they may play their bowl game w/ only 4 scholarship wr's on the roster, so it happensWhat's the problem? Is it the OC? Are the WR not seeing opportunity? Something is happening we don't know about. - Does anyone inside the program know?
the problem as I see it is that it appears as if our entire receiver corp left. and they didn't leave to get a better NIL offer. they didn't leave because they were not going to get playing time. they just all left. it's not a matter of being able to replace them. it's a matter of why did they all leave?I don't really see a problem, only Burks is a B1G caliber player, or healthy enough to show it. And in this environment, every team is going to lose guys who you would think stay.
This is kinda where I am at. We can turn this around with 2-3 good wr transfers but I honestly don’t see us getting that. These guys committed to a team that had one of the best passing offenses in the Big and we for sure don’t look like that now. Hard to argue that there isn’t some sort of issue with this many leaving no matter what you thought of their talent level.If you were a WR here would you want to play under Harrell? He was absolutely terrible calling the plays.
I see a problem. The story this year was that we were outmanned at nearly every position. Next season we'll start with few players with any knowledge of the current system. It is highly unlikely that we will add high quality players in sufficient quantities to be an upgrade. So after a first season that was mediocre at best, the Walter's regimes second season will feature more of the same inexperience and quality if players. The portal will doom 90% of programs to ongoing mediocrity going forward. Building continuity will be a thing of the past.I don't really see a problem, only Burks is a B1G caliber player, or healthy enough to show it. And in this environment, every team is going to lose guys who you would think stay.
Yep. Getting 4-5 wrs will be challenging. I am worried now that McCulley seems to have shot down the rumors. Walters seems to be able to bring in talent, at least this class seems to say do, so I am hoping it translates to the portal. As you say though, even with talent, losing all those guys who have been here for years hurts if for no other reason than leadership and continuity in the locker room.The problem may be the offense. As si boiler points out, it’s going to be hard for Walters to develop any type of continuity with the entire receiver corp leaving.
As someone pointed out mc Culley was rumored to be visiting. And then it said he denied it, so I’m not sure where we stand with him.
As Beorik pointed out, maybe it’s our offense that has turned our receivers away.
My concern is if our own receivers don’t like our offense and don’t want to stay, how easy is it going to be to attract other receivers. Via the portal? The guys who left were basically all 4 star receivers. If they don’t like it here, what caliber /talent of receiver would actually want to come here?
It’s one thing to find 1 wr via the portal. But Walters is now faced with finding 4-5 receivers!
I see a problem. The story this year was that we were outmanned at nearly every position. Next season we'll start with few players with any knowledge of the current system. It is highly unlikely that we will add high quality players in sufficient quantities to be an upgrade. So after a first season that was mediocre at best, the Walter's regimes second season will feature more of the same inexperience and quality if players. The portal will doom 90% of programs to ongoing mediocrity going forward. Building continuity will be a thing of the past.
Depth IMO.So far, Kpaka is the only player to enter the portal and get a P5 offer (dont know about Burks yet). How is losing G5 and lower players dooming our program?
Depth IMO.
Putting a lot of pressure on Walters and Harrell to have to grab 2-3 P5 level contributors with no NIl money.
Not looking great
Only a fraction of players in the portal even find a new home. Much less ones who get NIL.Depth IMO.
Putting a lot of pressure on Walters and Harrell to have to grab 2-3 P5 level contributors with no NIl money.
Not looking great
Mediocre? Dude that’s like calling Holly Rowe mediocre. This year was abysmal that was only outdone by Hazell.I see a problem. The story this year was that we were outmanned at nearly every position. Next season we'll start with few players with any knowledge of the current system. It is highly unlikely that we will add high quality players in sufficient quantities to be an upgrade. So after a first season that was mediocre at best, the Walter's regimes second season will feature more of the same inexperience and quality if players. The portal will doom 90% of programs to ongoing mediocrity going forward. Building continuity will be a thing of the past.
Are you an IU fan and a Purdue fan?This is kinda where I am at. We can turn this around with 2-3 good wr transfers but I honestly don’t see us getting that. These guys committed to a team that had one of the best passing offenses in the Big and we for sure don’t look like that now. Hard to argue that there isn’t some sort of issue with this many leaving no matter what you thought of their talent level.
Harrell runs an Air Raid offense. Should be great for WRs. What I have seen is guys that can't run routes and can't shake coverage. For as fast as Burkes was supposed to be, he rarely got open. Was he dogging it or did he just not know how to run a route?What's the problem? Is it the OC? Are the WR not seeing opportunity? Something is happening we don't know about. - Does anyone inside the program know?
He's a sprinter. Not a route runner. He just runs as fast as he can. Most of the time he's open downfield was because his defender fell over.Harrell runs an Air Raid offense. Should be great for WRs. What I have seen is guys that can't run routes and can't shake coverage. For as fast as Burkes was supposed to be, he rarely got open. Was he dogging it or did he just not know how to run a route?
McCulley has a visit set to Kentucky next weekend and Yaseen has offers from Minn, So Car and some others so farYep. Getting 4-5 wrs will be challenging. I am worried now that McCulley seems to have shot down the rumors. Walters seems to be able to bring in talent, at least this class seems to say do, so I am hoping it translates to the portal. As you say though, even with talent, losing all those guys who have been here for years hurts if for no other reason than leadership and continuity in the locker room.
Here, let me chart out the pff for our best receivers in the pff era so you can see where these guys stack upI don't see any of these players individually as any great loss.
My concern is how many of them all decided to leave at once. You would be led to believe once one left, 1-2 would see they have a chance to start and would stay.
My other concern is timing. it's doubtful any high school receiver recruit will arrive before Summer and will miss Spring practice. I'm unsure as to when to expect a portal transfer to arrive. if they are not signed before the start of next semester, they will also miss Spring practice.
Walters is going to have a very hard time bringing in quality replacements in a timely manner. McCulley was rumored to be interested, and had supposedly planned a visit. But the current rumor is that was a false rumor and he has no interest. The latest rumor about him having zero interest came after 2 more receivers left.
I find it very odd that our Offensive Coord was known for his air raid offense, yet that was not close to what he ran this year. it also seemed very odd that QB Card was their big portal signing last year at QB. Card is a running, option style QB. he's not a pro drop back passer type of QB. he definitely didn't see to be the right style of QB to run an air raid offense. Why would a pass happy coordinator even recruit an option style QB? Was it because all the other Qbs in the portal turned Walters down, and he felt he needed to make a splash in recruiting news by signing a QB from Texas? Nothing against Card, but he sure doesn't seem to fit the offense many fans and analysts thought Purdue would be running this year. and I don't see with Card, that offense changing next year.
the running oriented option style offense with Card at the helm is probably why all our receivers left. But in saying that, If I'm an elite receiver, I wouldn't want to be part of a running offense unless it's Notre Dame or some top 10 team that will go to a new years Day bowl game, and provide an opportunity for exposure.
While none of the receivers that left were all american candidates, or made a huge impact, I doubt Walters told them or suggested to them that they should leave. he may have said, this is the offense we're going to run next year, and their reply was Ci Ci Ci you later. I'm outta here.
I think you e missed the boat and point here. Guys SHOULD perform better when they get starters reps.Here, let me chart out the pff for our best receivers in the pff era so you can see where these guys stack up
Rondale Moore 2018 88.8
David bell 2021 87.5
Charlie Jones 2022 81.6
Milton Wright 2021 74.9
Anthony mahoungou 2017 70.1
Milton Wright 2020 67.1
Abdur-Rahmaan Yaseen 66.8
Jackson Anthrop 2021 66.7
Danny anthrop 2016 66.6
Terry Wright 2018 65.3
Deion Burks 64.7
Dominique young 2016 64.5
Isaac Zico 2018 64.2
Deangelo Yancey 2016 64.1
Tyrone Tracy 2022 63.5
TJ Sheffield 62.4
Can you see? These guys, all of whom Harrell got to perform better than last year (FAR better in the case of Yaseen and Burks) were all worse than a raw Milton Wright and in the range of guys like the anthrops, Terry Wright, Isaac Zico and hazell guys.
BFD
Also if Moore’s 2018 was only an 88, the scale is off a whole 10 points in general.Here, let me chart out the pff for our best receivers in the pff era so you can see where these guys stack up
Rondale Moore 2018 88.8
David bell 2021 87.5
Charlie Jones 2022 81.6
Milton Wright 2021 74.9
Anthony mahoungou 2017 70.1
Milton Wright 2020 67.1
Abdur-Rahmaan Yaseen 66.8
Jackson Anthrop 2021 66.7
Danny anthrop 2016 66.6
Terry Wright 2018 65.3
Deion Burks 64.7
Dominique young 2016 64.5
Isaac Zico 2018 64.2
Deangelo Yancey 2016 64.1
Tyrone Tracy 2022 63.5
TJ Sheffield 62.4
Can you see? These guys, all of whom Harrell got to perform better than last year (FAR better in the case of Yaseen and Burks) were all worse than a raw Milton Wright and in the range of guys like the anthrops, Terry Wright, Isaac Zico and hazell guys.
BFD
I'm not a fan of pff but that's not how it works. Your score doesn't go up just because you get starter reps and starter volume. It's what you do with the reps that makes your score go up.I think you e missed the boat and point here. Guys SHOULD perform better when they get starters reps.
They they didn’t is on Walters and Harrell IMo.
Sheffield started last year. Burks got 321 reps in 2022. That’s more than enough to show your value. He was terrible. Because Garrick McGee is garbageI think you e missed the boat and point here. Guys SHOULD perform better when they get starters reps.
They they didn’t is on Walters and Harrell IMo.
Mahoungou in 2017 was a 70. None of these guys, all improved from last year, was even that good.Also if Moore’s 2018 was only an 88, the scale is off a whole 10 points in general.
Pff isn’t perfect. It’s better than someone named Ron with a clear bias saying that they thought player X was dope last yearI'm not a fan of pff but that's not how it works. Your score doesn't go up just because you get starter reps and starter volume. It's what you do with the reps that makes your score go up.
The problem I have with it is that it's too subjective. How can 600 different "analysts" look at thousands of snaps a week and look at 22 players at the same time equally, uniformly, and without bias?
What about IU Scott’s player personnel expertise?Pff isn’t perfect. It’s better than someone named Ron with a clear bias saying that they thought player X was dope last year
Burke was open a lot more than you give him credit for Card seemed to ignore him at times.Harrell runs an Air Raid offense. Should be great for WRs. What I have seen is guys that can't run routes and can't shake coverage. For as fast as Burkes was supposed to be, he rarely got open. Was he dogging it or did he just not know how to run a route?
I disagree. Getting back to the oc....we needed to find ways to get our playmakers the ball more imo. Burk and the two tailback in open space. Screens, motion, wheel routes. That being said our oline was patchwork and it's difficult to have a consistent anything on offense if you can't keep 3 and 4 man fronts from disrupting plays in the backfield.Burke was open a lot more than you give him credit for Card seemed to ignore him at times.
Not familiarWhat about IU Scott’s player personnel expertise?
Or just maybe they were just lazy and weren't buying into the program. Our receivers a good majority of time were not getting separation...and just maybe weren't coachable...who really knows...I have to believe when your top 5 receivers all decided to leave there is a problem that nobody wants to air publicly! I’m not sure if it’s the qb, the receivers coach or the offense. I don’t believe all these receivers are leaving just because we had a losing season. And it’s definitely not about future playing time.
I made the statement that when Sheffield announced his intentions to transfer before the biggest game of our season That he did so for a reason! And there was a problem somebody is trying to hide!
It’s one thing for a backup to leave, but not your entire receiving corps. And it’s not like any of these players are being recruited to play for a better school. They just want out and don’t really care where they will end up.
To me this points a huge finger at either the QB or the coaching staff! It’s one thing if a player is leaving for a huge NIL payout. But none of these players is going to receive any more NIL money than they are currently receiving.
I also find it interesting that when the question of is there a problem is raised, There is a dead silence to the question. It’s almost as if there is a solidarity among the receivers.
Is Purdue converting to the wishbone offense next year?
They didn’t perform well because they were not very talented.Also if Moore’s 2018 was only an 88, the scale is off a whole 10 points in general.
Anyone who I’m supposed to worry about losing better be able to outperform anthony mahoungou. These guys were barely outperforming Jared Sparks. And that’s after Harrell got here. Before, with brohm and 300+ snaps, here is Deion BurksThey didn’t perform well because they were not very talented.