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Two incidents of domestic terrorism in two weeks...

Violence? Who cares? White nationalist and supremacists shouldn't exist in this country, period, let alone assemble.

And no, I am not saying the government should legislate against their rights. I am saying every American should be denouncing, ridiculing, shouting down, and doing everything within their own legal rights to eradicate this loser ideology. That's why I think comparing Antifa and this whole deflection you guys and Trump are doing is morally reprehensible.

Sorry. Far more concerned with how people act than what they say. If some idiot is shouting things I find reprehensible I can exercise my right to not listen to them and walk away like an adult. If someone confronts me and threatens violence its a much bigger problem. I find it morally reprehensible that you condone violence.
 
Sorry. Far more concerned with how people act than what they say. If some idiot is shouting things I find reprehensible I can exercise my right to not listen to them and walk away like an adult. If someone confronts me and threatens violence its a much bigger problem. I find it morally reprehensible that you condone violence.
I'm... pretty sure... yep, I specified LEGALLY denouncing, shouting down, etc. etc. When Antifa is violent, I condemn them, as I did in the California incident. That said, I stand by exactly what I said in he post I quoted. You don't like it? Deal with it.
 
You really need to read up on antifa if you think criticism is deflection.

These guys are on par with the nazis you saw this weekend. If not, worse.


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I do think it's deflection. It'd be really easy for the President to make concrete statements, but he chooses his language carefully. It is clear to me he wants the support of this part of his voting base. And his puppets are dancing at the ends of his strings on social media everywhere.
 
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You really need to read up on antifa if you think criticism is deflection.

These guys are on par with the nazis you saw this weekend. If not, worse.


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Not worse, for one simple reason. Antifa, at this point in time, is still primarily about stopping the racist trash you are equating them with. Some are anarchists and they do promote the same violence the white nats do, they are not choir boys. They do not believe law enforcement can stop the white nats and believe they have to fill the void.
If they continue down the path they are on there will be problems, especially if people start dying at their hand. The dems are going to have to reel them in a bit or it could backfire.
Violence does not put them on par with the white nats imo, as you seem to think. If there were no white trash racists to oppose, they might not even exist. Like Trump, you put racists and those who oppose them on equal ground.
 
I'm... pretty sure... yep, I specified LEGALLY denouncing, shouting down, etc. etc. When Antifa is violent, I condemn them, as I did in the California incident. That said, I stand by exactly what I said in he post I quoted. You don't like it? Deal with it.

I am dealing with it....by exposing the hypocrisy of your words. "Violence? Who cares?"

You don't like it? I guess your solution would be to hunt me down and try to fight me. I'm not a hate monger like you though.
 
They do not believe law enforcement can stop the white nats and believe they have to fill the void.
Like Trump, you put racists and those who oppose them on equal ground.
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And which side do you consider the racists. Most logical persons, as does Trump, realize both sides are racist bigots. The proper thing to do is refute the violence.
 
They do not believe law enforcement can stop the white nats and believe they have to fill the void.
Like Trump, you put racists and those who oppose them on equal ground.
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And which side do you consider the racists. Most logical persons, as does Trump, realize both sides are racist bigots. The proper thing to do is refute the violence.
I'm not sure I want to have this conversation if you don't grasp the concept. It appears that you are saying Antifa are racists.......because they are trying to fight racism.
Of course there are racists in Antifa, don't doubt that a bit. But their aim is to stop racism, the white nats are promoting it. Violence doesn't equate the two.
 
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I'm not sure I want to have this conversation if you don't grasp the concept. It appears that you are say Antifa are racists.......because they are trying to fight racism.
Of course there are racists in Antifa, don't doubt that a bit. But their aim is to stop racism, the white nats are promoting it. Violence doesn't equate the two.

If you had a choice and could either end all violence in the world effective immediately or all racism in the world effective immediately, which would you choose to end?
 
There's no generally, kinda, maybe about it. I absolutely think she would likely be alive right now if she had stayed home. And yes I'll say that even though I can see your objective 3 steps ahead and how you're going to try to twist it.

Sure, Heather Heyer would likely be alive had she not attended the rally that day. Unfortunately, it was not her decision to murder anyone that day and it is equally likely that there would have been someone else standing in her place when that murderer drove his car into the crowd. What is the point that youre trying to make? Thanks though for playin devils advocate, I figured it out, if the murderer did not go to the rally that day, Heather Heyer would most likely be alive today! Smh...
 
Sure, Heather Heyer would likely be alive had she not attended the rally that day. Unfortunately, it was not her decision to murder anyone that day and it is equally likely that there would have been someone else standing in her place when that murderer drove his car into the crowd. What is the point that youre trying to make? Thanks though for playin devils advocate, I figured it out, if the murderer did not go to the rally that day, Heather Heyer would most likely be alive today! Smh...

Oh gee that was predictable. I answer a DIRECT QUESTION with a logical response that you even agree with and then you try to spin it to me playing "devil's advocate" for Nazis. I saw that one coming a mile away. Lame....

If you ask me if someone who died in the World Trade Center on 9/11 would've died had they not gone to their job in the WTC that day the answer would be that they most likely would not have died that day. That doesn't mean I'm blaming them or absolving radical Islamic terrorists for their actions. That's essentially the same stretch you're making here.
 
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Oh gee that was predictable. I answer a DIRECT QUESTION with a logical response that you even agree with and then you try to spin it to me playing "devil's advocate" for Nazis. I saw that one coming a mile away. Lame....

If you ask me if someone who died in the World Trade Center on 9/11 would've died had they not gone to their job in the WTC that day the answer would be that they most likely would not have died that day. That doesn't mean I'm blaming them or absolving radical Islamic terrorists for their actions. That's essentially the same stretch you're making here.

That is why i directly asked "what is the point you are trying to make?" in my last post.
I simply state self-evident things just as you had, for example, most 9/11 victims would likely be alive today if terrorists had not flown planes into the WTC towers. Again, what is your point?

I also never accused you of playing devils advocate "for nazis". I do not think that of you and have never inferred from that from your posts, i do think that you enjoy debate and are willing to stubbornly defend meaningless arguments. I suggest it is your own self conscious concern if you feel that I accused of playing devils advocate "for nazis", i simply thought you were arguing stupid things for giggles, ya know like we expect from old predictable TC
 
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I am dealing with it....by exposing the hypocrisy of your words. "Violence? Who cares?"

You don't like it? I guess your solution would be to hunt me down and try to fight me. I'm not a hate monger like you though.
Comparing the violence perpetrated by Antifa to this point with the violence of the white supremacist movement in the US is ludicrous, hence, the "who cares". Again, you're trying to make some equivalence comparing minor battery to a mass murderer. How many folks did Antifa kill in Charlottesville? How many did the white supremacists kill? Kthanksbye.
 
Just a reminder of what the left is gushing over this past week.


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Oh gee that was predictable. I answer a DIRECT QUESTION with a logical response that you even agree with and then you try to spin it to me playing "devil's advocate" for Nazis. I saw that one coming a mile away. Lame....

If you ask me if someone who died in the World Trade Center on 9/11 would've died had they not gone to their job in the WTC that day the answer would be that they most likely would not have died that day. That doesn't mean I'm blaming them or absolving radical Islamic terrorists for their actions. That's essentially the same stretch you're making here.
The question isn't an attempt to trick, and I meant what I said, at least you admit it. IMHO most people saying the "alt left" is the violent group, had no right to be there and in fact violated the white supremacist civil rights... are being honest, for the most part, when they say they aren't championing vile nazis/kkk ideology, they see themselves rather as standing up for Trump.

See the victim bearing some, if not all, fault is tacitly understood when you argue the counter protestors were the ones acting irresponsibly for showing, or as others argue, illegally, then thrown in that somehow the driver of the car was simply a lone wolf with no real connection to white supremacist and it all gets watered down. Yes, you can still have simpathy for the victim, but it tempers any outrage. That loss of perspective is how arguments on this have gone into the surreal, nazis/kkk have good people in their movements, even though they chant the same chants from the holocaust, carry the same flags as the confederate states who inslaved other humans, a group that lunched people... but there is no association between then and now, these were good people who should have been left alone.
 
Oh gee that was predictable. I answer a DIRECT QUESTION with a logical response that you even agree with and then you try to spin it to me playing "devil's advocate" for Nazis. I saw that one coming a mile away. Lame....

If you ask me if someone who died in the World Trade Center on 9/11 would've died had they not gone to their job in the WTC that day the answer would be that they most likely would not have died that day. That doesn't mean I'm blaming them or absolving radical Islamic terrorists for their actions. That's essentially the same stretch you're making here.
9/11 and Spain would not be the same, your argument is Ms. Heyer was a participant in her death, those other victims were just going about their lives, she made a choice to join in a protest, a choice you say you feel was at the least unwise.
 
9/11 and Spain would not be the same, your argument is Ms. Heyer was a participant in her death, those other victims were just going about their lives, she made a choice to join in a protest, a choice you say you feel was at the least unwise.
Only profound fools went to the protest, both sides.Stupid woman would be alive if she had stayed home and protested via email.
 
Guys.

I have solved the problem. This is apparently from a year ago but I didn't see it until today.

 
Guys.

I have solved the problem. This is apparently from a year ago but I didn't see it until today.

That's Columbia SC when the flag came down. They are turning towards the capital. At that time my wife was closing one restaurant and opening another a couple blocks, other side of the capital, on that street. And yes, they were being laughed at.
 
That's Columbia SC when the flag came down. They are turning towards the capital. At that time my wife was closing one restaurant and opening another a couple blocks, other side of the capital, on that street. And yes, they were being laughed at.

I have to be honest I watched that about 5-6 times. When he busted into Flight I lost it. Again when he plays the two low tones towards the end and goes right back at it.

That is creative counter protesting. This guy deserves some kind of award.
 
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Who is "gushing"?
Are these photos from Charlottesville?

The middle pic is from 2016, and this looks more like anarchists than antifa

Antifa are anarchists. You know that red and black flag you see wherever they show up?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Despite what the media and some in this thread think, antifa wants to destroy capitalism and modern western culture. Race is simply a means to the ends. For reference, look up the Battle of Seattle or any other international global summit. Nothing to do with race. Ironically both the nazis and antifa rail on "gloabalization". Literal brown shirts vs black shirts wrestling for control. Also look up black-bloc.

I'm not going to rehash a weeks worth of the NYT and Wapo opinions sections. You can look for yourself where they compare antifa to WWII armed forces.

Or when CNN compared the forces that invaded Normandy with antifa. It is all out there.

This piece was tweeted out by CNN this afternoon.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

This is peak Orwellian thought. This is where we are at.

Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement: Activists seek peace through violence

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...ck-msnbcs-todd-aids-promotion-antifa-violence
 
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I have to be honest I watched that about 5-6 times. When he busted into Flight I lost it. Again when he plays the two low tones towards the end and goes right back at it.

That is creative counter protesting. This guy deserves some kind of award.
Yes it is, and probably how it would be handled if northern conservatives would let these people alone. I still don't get why northerners are so worked up about this crap, it has nothing to do with them, but it was a home town, counter protesting, southerner woman killed by a northerner conservative man there to protest a monument coming down.
 
Yes it is, and probably how it would be handled if northern conservatives would let these people alone. I still don't get why northerners are so worked up about this crap, it has nothing to do with them, but it was a home town, counter protesting, southerner woman killed by a northerner conservative man there to protest a monument coming down.

Lets be fair.

It is also non-southern, coastal, virtue signaling, liberals who are launching these outrage machines demanding monuments be taken down.

Nearly all polling I have seen is that folks don't give a shit white, black, brown, purple.
 
Lets be fair.

It is also non-southern, coastal, virtue signaling, liberals who are launching these outrage machines demanding monuments be taken down.
Ha, you know nothing about the south, northerners are on the second lowest rung of the ladder, just above Muslims and tied with Hispanics. Trust me, black or white, there is no northerner telling them what to do, and in fact you will get a back fire effect if northerners push telling them to keep the monuments.
 
Comparing the violence perpetrated by Antifa to this point with the violence of the white supremacist movement in the US is ludicrous, hence, the "who cares". Again, you're trying to make some equivalence comparing minor battery to a mass murderer. How many folks did Antifa kill in Charlottesville? How many did the white supremacists kill? Kthanksbye.

If body count is your measure where does BLM come in? Especially after this weekend they have to be #1, right?
 
Who said it was. Pretty sure the Klan and neonazi white supremacists have a healthy head start in your silly little game anyway.

How many folks did Antifa kill in Charlottesville? How many did the white supremacists kill? Kthanksbye.

You were keeping score.
 
The ACLU is laying a lot of blame at local and state police, the mayor, and the governor.

State Police came right out and said Mcauliffe lied about them being outnumbered and that they seized weapons caches hidden around the city by the nazi trash.

It is not being that widely reported from what I can tell, but local LEO basically redirected KKK/WNP away from park. One of the main issues is they were redirected into another group of protestors. Not how the situation should be handled-obviously. Basicially the situation was handled in a way that was going to cause confrontation. Now note, should be obvious from my posts that it takes two to tango so to speak and one is responsible for their own actions.

Notice today the events in Boston. Government LEO present, cordoned off areas, and when protestors/demonstrators got out of hand(throwing stuff and bottles of urine mainly) they were actually arrested. Police also escorted demonstrators from scene.

Night and day way to handle things.
 
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Okay, I can't go back through this whole thread, do you believe nazis, kkk, white supremacist/nationalist should be confronted or ignored?

Have quite a few AA friends from the military. Each one I have talked to prefers and decides to ignore it. Why? They believe that giving them a bigger microphone, coverage, gives them a larger platform and chance to deliver their message.

I will admit they are well trained and pretty damn big. They also realize that if they get in a fight with one or more of them, inevitably win or inflict damage, they then likely get jail time or at least a record out of it.
 
Have quite a few AA friends from the military. Each one I have talked to prefers and decides to ignore it. Why? They believe that giving them a bigger microphone, coverage, gives them a larger platform and chance to deliver their message.

I will admit they are well trained and pretty damn big. They also realize that if they get in a fight with one or more of them, inevitably win or inflict damage, they then likely get jail time or at least a record out of it.
Well, as is pointed out regularly on this board re Islam, it isn't AA, Jews, gays... responsibility to take on radical white Christian extremists, it's mine as a white Christian.
 
You really need to read up on antifa if you think criticism is deflection.

These guys are on par with the nazis you saw this weekend. If not, worse.


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Yeah not defending the KKK/WNP. That said, I am not sure many people here really understand or know what ANTIFA is about.
 
Well, as is pointed out regularly on this board re Islam, it isn't AA, Jews, gays... responsibility to take on radical white Christian extremists, it's mine as a white Christian.

I see the point you are trying to make. And it has some credibility. That said, modern KKK is not typically "Christian" anymore. Christian in parentheses because while they considered themselves that in past pretty obvious they never were Christians. Made of many theologies an political backgrounds. And even when considering themselves "Christians; they were really violent towards some Christian religions.
 
And if there was no protest in the first place, there would be no need for a counter protest. Again, I'm sure you don't mean to put the blame here on the counter protestors instead of white supremacists, but you just did.

I meant this in terms of getting a said group, in this case the KKK attention/notoriety. Do not protest it, they never get the news. Of course counter protestors have a right to be there.

As for this entire violence issue at protests, my stance is essentially one is responsible for their own actions. Regardless of group one is associated with. The guy from KKK or Nazi party that drove his car into protestors, that is on him and nobody else. ANTIFA likes to spray pepper spray and use clubs on people they disagree with-that is on them. Pretty bad spot the USA is still in that position with protests.
 
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9/11 and Spain would not be the same, your argument is Ms. Heyer was a participant in her death, those other victims were just going about their lives, she made a choice to join in a protest, a choice you say you feel was at the least unwise.

I have said that I think all the counter protests were unwise and that would seem to include her but that is not suggesting that she was in the wrong to be there. People make bad-but-legal decisions all the time (I've made plenty myself) and ideally they don't result in death. So long as she was demonstrating lawfully, and I have no reason to think that she wasn't, then I don't assign her any blame. In fact I think it's rather ridiculous to suggest that. The scumbag who drove the car hopefully gets life in prison with no chance for parole.
 
I'm not sure I want to have this conversation if you don't grasp the concept. It appears that you are saying Antifa are racists.......because they are trying to fight racism.
Of course there are racists in Antifa, don't doubt that a bit. But their aim is to stop racism, the white nats are promoting it. Violence doesn't equate the two.
The Natzis aren't racist either then. Unless they only hate black Jews.
Both groups are ridiculous. BLM are chanting three new anti cop slogans as I type.
 
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