This has all been wildly entertaining... I genuinely would like to thank everyone involved
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If your whole point is to convince me and others that Tom Cream is a great developer of talent, you are wasting your timeReminding a group of anonymous people that you don't care if people respect you are not when you actively seek out respect by calling any and all others with differing opinions trolls is the exact definition of triggered.
Steel, you've been outed.
I have no idea what you replied to...teh conversation I thought was on "development of BIG" and measured by "PUTTING"players in the NBAActually if you read what I replied to it didn't specify bigs - it said he couldn't develop talent.
Why on earth would I remotely care if some anonymous people on a forum have 'respect' for me? You do realize that this site doesn't have any impact on my or any of our lives right? Especially to the point with worrying whether people 'respect' me or not.
If I want to have a good discussion with people then this site is not the place for it and I found that out quickly after I first started coming here. The only reason to visit this site is to stir the trolls up and to entertain yourself. There are many people on here that crap all over threads and if the mods don't care, then why should I?
If your whole point is to convince me and others that Tom Cream is a great developer of talent, you are wasting your time
Perhaps take an extra minute or two next time and see what I am replying to since I always use quote reply to give context.I have no idea what you replied to...teh conversation I thought was on "development of BIG" and measured by "PUTTING"players in the NBA
Can't attest to Eastern. But it's more than common knowledge that many D1 athletes seek out personal trainers and instructors during their off-season while away from campus. It's not just just limited to IU. Anyone who thinks Victor Oladipo became the second overall pick in the NBA draft because he played in the St. Vincent's Pro-AM league in Indy for a summer (something Purdue players do as well) is mindless and really doesn't know what they're talking about.
Yep, the purpose of a troll is to get everybody off topic and at each others throats, the dbag accomplished his goal.If your whole point is to convince me and others that Tom Cream is a great developer of talent, you are wasting your time
Yep, the purpose of a troll is to get everybody off topic and at each others throats, the dbag accomplished his goal.
unfortunately, I'm at work and typing between comments and such. Nothing was intended or directed at you. I'm only trying to provide real understanding of using the NBA as a development measure and tried to shift gears to education in anticipation that everyone has some background in that area.Perhaps take an extra minute or two next time and see what I am replying to since I always use quote reply to give context.
unfortunately, I'm at work and typing between comments and such. Nothing was intended or directed at you. I'm only trying to provide real understanding of using the NBA as a development measure and tried to shift gears to education in anticipation that everyone has some background in that area.
NO, I like it rough!I can only assume you're inferring to TJReese as a DBag? He is the one who said the incredulous statement about IU not developing talent. That is what started this after all.
Not sure how that makes him a dbag. Wrong for sure, but dbag seems harsh.
just trying to provide understanding for those with more understanding in education in hope that they can connect the dots relative to "PUTTING BIGS" in the NBA as THE measure of a coach in developing talent and a reminder why I never went into teaching as a career. I just throw it out there and if you get it...fine and if not no problem...perhaps you are right?Probably a good bet on your part switching gears. I think you were losing a lot of people not knowing what you were talking about.
just trying to provide understanding for those with more understanding in education in hope that they can connect the dots relative to "PUTTING BIGS" in the NBA as THE measure of a coach in developing talent and a reminder why I never went into teaching as a career. I just throw it out there and if you get it...fine and if not no problem...perhaps you are right?
You've defended iu players, Tom Crean, and etc. And you can't understand why some would think you're nothing but an iu troll?
this actually leads me to think its Not an iu troll.I'm starting to think it may be Crean himself, as most iu fans I know can't stand the twit.
youre no longer in the camp that believes message boards impact recruiting?You do realize that this site doesn't have any impact on my or any of our lives right?
There are many people on here that crap all over threads and if the mods don't care, then why should I?
just trying to provide understanding for those with more understanding in education in hope that they can connect the dots relative to "PUTTING BIGS" in the NBA as THE measure of a coach in developing talent and a reminder why I never went into teaching as a career. I just throw it out there and if you get it...fine and if not no problem...perhaps you are right?
Notice I said 'our lives'. So no, what is posted here has no impact on my life.youre no longer in the camp that believes message boards impact recruiting?
So, you are implying that YOU are a basketball coach since you seem to simply ooze with all this basketball expertise?Don’t think you have to have a grasp of the education system to see how someone like Cody Zeller’s game developed while at IU and how it correlates to where he was picked in the NBA draft. And I certainly hope you aren’t in inferring you were a basketball coach at anything higher than the Church League level?
So, you are implying that YOU are a basketball coach since you seem to simply ooze with all this basketball expertise?
Naw, probably not.
However you don’t need to resort to personal attacks to make your point, which you have yet to convince me about. No, I don’t think Crean did much player development, and that comes from a direct and knowledgeable source. (Not me).
Why do you think Crean’s relationship with Indiana’s high school coaches soured?
No , no f'ing way I just started watching the last few years. BTW, I can correlate the pregnancy rate in Indianapolis with the hamburgers eaten in South Bend. Have a good day..you are too smart for me to fool.Don’t think you have to have a grasp of the education system to see how someone like Cody Zeller’s game developed while at IU and how it correlates to where he was picked in the NBA draft. And I certainly hope you aren’t in inferring you were a basketball coach at anything higher than the Church League level?
Well, I was hopeful it would be comprehended and the quiet majority probably did.I tutored and taught children with learning disabilities at the elementary and college level. I know exactly what you meant. My teaching methods have often been criticized by so called intelligent people. But my reply has always been to look at the results. And many of my students never achieved a grade higher than a C, and they were still at the bottom of their class, but it was their first C they received in their life. It is those students that I am most proud of rather than the ones who averaged 98.96754%. I ften found the most talented were also the laziest and complained the most.
Rather than taking credit for developing any student, I take credit for motivating them to want to learn and improve themselves. Sometimes motivating a person is harder than teaching.
When I wanted to know the mph I always thought it important to know not only the mileage when stopping, but that mileage I started with as well as the time that elapsed. I always had a hard time figuring that calculation with a single mileage at the end (absent the other data)...no matter how many times I did it. You are right...I showed or tried to show the problem in student gain as well. It is fine, he or she can believe what he or she wants. but the methodology is flawed. Yes, no reason to rehash it. If everyone were in agreement there would be little written...No one here is convincing anyone else of anything, you might as well both stop. It's just turning into rehash after rehash of the same argument that will never end.
When I wanted to know the mph I always thought it important to know not only the mileage when stopping, but that mileage I started with as well as the time that elapsed. I always had a hard time figuring that calculation with a single mileage at the end (absent the other data)...no matter how many times I did it. You are right...I showed or tried to show the problem in student gain as well. It is fine, he or she can believe what he or she wants. but the methodology is flawed. Yes, no reason to rehash it. If everyone were in agreement there would be little written...
No one here is convincing anyone else of anything, you might as well both stop. It's just turning into rehash after rehash of the same argument that will never end.
Why do you think Crean’s relationship with Indiana’s high school coaches soured?
It all started sir with the word "development". That told me a progress...a change...a delta. Knowing no delta can exist without a measure between at least two points I was conflicted in trying to understand "development" or "progress" without that understanding. Silly me. It just seemed sir that using a single point of measure was illogical in measuring "progress" or "development" since by definition that requires more than a final destination...hence the or at least a significant reason for struggling. Then to understand that more than one variable is needed...like a starting point in addition to a few others, the weighting of those variables seemed pretty important as well in trying to discern that relationship. And then it just got worse sir as I saw the final result that was measured again and again and still not knowing the variables and their significance to that relationship.You see.....that's what bothers me sir.....I just can't figure it out. There's 18 miles unexplained on your odometer. By the way, could I get your autograph.....my wife would get such a kick out of that. I don't want to trouble you, though....
Oh sir, just one more thing.....you know that basketball discussion we had....where you said....now, wait a minute...i got it down here somewhere.....oh that's right....yes, the one about the zone.....
I don't say this often of our iu visitors, but that was funny all things considered.Because Tom Crean is a really weird dude.
Wait, was that a trick question?
He said Franklin committed to Purdue 2 days ago, and that Bob Knight was going to be in attendance for the Purdue game at assembly hall this year. Dude is a major tool.This is the same guy who told Armaan Franklin’s Mom that he knew where Armaan was committing.
Would love this to actually impact his decision.
This is the same guy who told Armaan Franklin’s Mom that he knew where Armaan was committing.
Would love this to actually impact his decision.
This is Jack Wang right? What a dip stick.If you go through this guy's posts, he really likes to tell people how great his sources are and how he has deep ties to the IU basketball program. But, never could have predicted he would tell Armaan Franklin's mom that his sources were better than her when it comes to his recruitment. LOL You can't make this stuff up.
I actually wondered if it was @BoilerIron trolling folks but he didn’t mention anything about Mason Gillis. (TIC)If you go through this guy's posts, he really likes to tell people how great his sources are and how he has deep ties to the IU basketball program. But, never could have predicted he would tell Armaan Franklin's mom that his sources were better than her when it comes to his recruitment. LOL You can't make this stuff up.
Because Tom Crean is a really weird dude.
Wait, was that a trick question?
I think this would be true among all fan bases. For the most part all fans are going to defend their coach/players at all costs while they are with the organization, but after they are gone, most people will recognize their short comings.JM, it is a fact that whenever someone from here, mathboy in particular, pointed out to the Peegsters that Crean had soured the Indiana HS coaches that was vehemently denounced as a total fabrication. Now that is accepted as absolute wisdom by the Indiana faithful. To the best of my knowledge, he (and others) was (were) never given credit for the perceived insight and recognized as having been unfairly treated. He could vouch for what I am posting as correct.
I guess I should have clarified that my statement was about coaches/players that have had at least decent success while at their organization haha.Trojan, you obviously did not post here during the Hazell era.