I don't mean to start this into a painter bashing, but I know it will. Zo got a pretty good player today, that's awesome for him. Wonder why swanigan didn't go with...
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On Gold & Black Radio, Brian said that he believes Swanigan's advisors (ie Roosevelt Barnes, etc.) didn't think California was a good fit for him (for whatever reasons) and wouldn't let him go there, even if he so wanted. He also said that the advisors were sold on Purdue, but that Swanigan (again for whatever reasons) just didn't want to choose Purdue. He was okay with naming the Boilers a finalist but had already decided that he didn't want to go to Purdue. He said that Michigan State was sort of a compromise (choice #2 for the advisors and Swanigan and the one that they both agreed on).Originally posted by ustankass:
I don't mean to start this into a painter bashing, but I know it will. Zo got a pretty good player today, that's awesome for him. Wonder why swanigan didn't go with...
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Who knows? but that would be a 6ft 6 3/4 inch (with out shoes) 271 lb. headache LOL!Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
Sounds like we may have been saved a headache (like Dawson was at MSU) if a HS athlete has HANDLERS to make his decisions! jmo
As much as we wanted Swanigan you have a point. Too many times there are too many friggin handlers involved in a kid's decision when it should be solely the kid's decision.Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
Sounds like we may have been saved a headache (like Dawson was at MSU) if a HS athlete has HANDLERS to make his decisions! jmo
I believe the kids at UT had committed to UT under Bruce Pearl and decided to stay with their original plans even though UT changed coaches.Originally posted by JohnHoosierr:
Ibodel ok he made the sweet 16 I thought it was elite 8, still impressive to do it at Tennessee. Second did you read what you wrote about recruiting or are you always this clueless? You say my post is absurd to think Cuonzo could keep kids from indiana HOME, then you go and prove my point by listing multiple 5 stars Cuonzo was able to keep home at other schools, lol thanks for proving my point further!
I kind of disagree a little with Ghost in this instance. With Swanigan, it was the handler/guardian that wanted him at Purdue. Based on Brian's comments, it was Swanigan that made up his mind that Purdue was his 3rd choice (behind Cal and MSU) whereas his advisors kept pushing for Purdue. To me, the kid himself is not the headache, it's the people trying to steer a kid into what they want and may or may not be looking out for the kid's best interest. I certainly agree that this has taken a toll on college basketball recruiting, but in fairness to the kids involved, I don't think we should label them the headaches when it can be the adults standing in the way of their decisions. In this case, unless there's a reason to think Coach Martin and the Cal program wouldn't have been good caretakers of the kid while he was in college, it's unfortunate that Caleb was (for lack of a better word) forced to choose something other than his top choice.Originally posted by BBG:
As much as we wanted Swanigan you have a point. Too many times there are too many friggin handlers involved in a kid's decision when it should be solely the kid's decision.Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
Sounds like we may have been saved a headache (like Dawson was at MSU) if a HS athlete has HANDLERS to make his decisions! jmo
This is why recruiting has changed and become incredibly hard, there are too many people involved and it appears you have to appease them all to "win" the recruit instead of just selling your school to the kid. It rather sucks.
If that's true, those adults need some counseling. Games on late? They're only on late for the adults who live in the Eastern time zone... set your DVR or TiVO, or if watching live is that important, adjust your sleep schedule. Don't tell a kid he can't have his first choice for college, coaching mentor, etc. because it throws a wrench in the East coast TV watching. I'm not sure what the "fitting into future plans" comment means, but hopefully it's more substantial than the complication of timezones and television broadcasts.Originally posted by Heller:
The reason Barnes and Parker didn't want Cal is because of games being on late and Cali not really fitting into future plans. Or so I was told.
You're so far off base here; distance a valid reason to not go to a specific school. If Barnes, basically Swanigans father (caleb calls him dad) wants to attend, or at the very least watch his games, cal is prohibiting in that regard. At Purdue or MSU, it's a 2 hr drive to get to campus, and games are EST. A late game is 9pm, and 9 pm in Cali is midnight in Indiana, and he would be up until 2 am watching. There's a lot more that goes into choosing a school than "I like this one"...which is why Barnes was quoted saying CS was making an emotional choice (presumably about Cal).Originally posted by Statey:
If that's true, those adults need some counseling. Games on late? They're only on late for the adults who live in the Eastern time zone... set your DVR or TiVO, or if watching live is that important, adjust your sleep schedule. Don't tell a kid he can't have his first choice for college, coaching mentor, etc. because it throws a wrench in the East coast TV watching. I'm not sure what the "fitting into future plans" comment means, but hopefully it's more substantial than the complication of timezones and television broadcasts.Originally posted by Heller:
The reason Barnes and Parker didn't want Cal is because of games being on late and Cali not really fitting into future plans. Or so I was told.
Ghost - You're forgetting that the kid is the most important person in all of this. He's the one that has to relocate, he's the one that has to go to school every day, he's the one who needs to have a relationship with the college coach, he's the one that needs to be comfortable in his surroundings, etc. Maybe Barnes isn't a "handler" in the traditional sense of thinking about dirty handlers since he's the guardian, but come on, "he won't listen to his handler, so it's possible he won't listen to his coach either?". That's balderdash. The decision to go to college and where to go should be as much (more actually) about what the kid wants (within reason) as it is the handler. Again, if there's no reason to believe that Coach Martin wouldn't have properly overseen Caleb's safety and well-being while he was there - and to date I've heard none - then there's no justification for calling him a headache, problem kid, etc. simply because he didn't take Barnes' advice.Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
You make my point exactly Statey, if he won't listen to his "handlers" it is quite possible he then won't listen to his Coach, ie a headache! Just sayin' it's possible, you know the quacking like a duck thing!
Yes, distance is valid reason to not "go" to a specific school. However, the kid is the one doing the "going". If a kid doesn't want to go far from home because he needs that proximity to family, that's fine. I'm not sold on a handler/guardian saying distance is valid reason not "to send" a kid to a specific school. There's a difference. And it starts with understanding who the most important person is in this, the kid.Originally posted by snowsquirrel11:
You're so far off base here; distance a valid reason to not go to a specific school.
I don't know how long he's been Swanigan's guardian, so I'm going to defer your thought of equating him to being his "dad". I think you'd had to know a lot more about the family to conclude that than what I do. But to your comment on distance...Originally posted by snowsquirrel11:
If Barnes, basically Swanigans father (caleb calls him dad) wants to attend, or at the very least watch his games, cal is prohibiting in that regard. At Purdue or MSU, it's a 2 hr drive to get to campus, and games are EST. A late game is 9pm, and 9 pm in Cali is midnight in Indiana, and he would be up until 2 am watching.
Guiding, yes. Deciding for them, no.Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
Very rare that an 18 year old make great decisions without their parents guiding them through those decisions is something you might be forgetting! They are still kids despite their size and athletic ability and make tons of bad decisions if they don't consider what their parents (guardians) tell them!
I guess we will have to agree to disagree but that is how it works in most houses!
Definitely wrong on the first point (neither 5-star was committed to Pearl), and I bet time will tell wrong on the second one too.Originally posted by TwinDegrees2:
I believe the kids at UT had committed to UT under Bruce Pearl and decided to stay with their original plans even though UT changed coaches.Originally posted by JohnHoosierr:
Ibodel ok he made the sweet 16 I thought it was elite 8, still impressive to do it at Tennessee. Second did you read what you wrote about recruiting or are you always this clueless? You say my post is absurd to think Cuonzo could keep kids from indiana HOME, then you go and prove my point by listing multiple 5 stars Cuonzo was able to keep home at other schools, lol thanks for proving my point further!
Zo's a good guy, but he's not any better a coach than what is already in place.