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Since Joe says it’s so, who could channel the women into a winner?

Why are people trying to put words into my mouth? I didn’t say that at all.
Once again, my point is quite simple and that is that this seems to be a silly thing to be upset about. Here’s why...
First off, it affects such a small group of people. I don’t know how many transgender athletes there are but I am pretty sure statistically speaking it’s a very small group compared to all athletes.
Secondly, I don’t see a path for males who aren’t transgender to be able to abuse it or simply say they are transgender in order to play against the women. Actual transgender people usually do get sex change operations and I don’t see many straight guys lining up to lose their pecker. I also don’t think many straight males are willing to live the lifestyle of a female in order to play against the women.
Third on the list is the fact that women often do compete against men in sports such as basketball for example. I know the Purdue women’s team has chosen to practice against straight men for more than 20 years now. If some of you have daughters who you fear will be forced to play against men and they choose to play college basketball, are you okay with them practicing against men?
Finally, there are groups of professional women both present and retired who are addressing this issue and trying to find a compromise that allows discrimination to be eliminated while also not putting women at a disadvantage while competing against transgender athletes. They are looking at different tiers of competition, separating transgender athletes into their own group or possibly creating a league just for transgender athletes. I trust that they will eventually find a compromise that works for all.
To summarize, I don’t see it as a problem due to the small size of athletes that will be affected and as of today there is no set in stone rule that orders girls to play against men. It’s a situation that is fluid and will eventually get worked out. The posts I take issue with are those who act like every single girl is going to be forced to play against transgender men as that is nowhere close to the truth. I also take issue to those who say men will act as if they are transgender in order to play against women. That is also false and I find it difficult to take those predictions seriously because of what it would entail for a male to be convincing enough to be allowed to play against the women. Nobody is going to go to the lengths it would take to pull that off.
I do believe that there are people who feel they were born one gender but are actually the opposite. I don’t act like I am in any way able to know how that feels or that I know the answers to their dilemma. I do know that creating an avenue that eliminates discrimination is a good thing and I often wonder why anyone would want to push back against equality for all?
I highly doubt there is a single person posting on this board that has a daughter who is being forced to compete against males in sports however. I am also not surprised that when I say this seems to be a silly thing to be upset about, I get numerous roosters trying to put words into my mouth while parroting talking points. I guess that’s where we are as a nation. So divided and instead of thinking for ourselves we hear what we want to hear and then we parrot it to others while attacking anyone who may feel differently. I am surprised when I see Purdue grads parroting talking points. I always felt we as a group were more informed and/or educated and that we were less likely to be influenced by group think or political talking points. But, as can be seen here in this thread, I was attacked by those who assume I think there daughters should have to compete against men when all I said was that it seems like a silly thing to be upset about, which it is since it hasn’t actually happened. Once again, it reminds me of the bathroom laws amd how it was predicted that we would have men in every girls bathroom waiting to take advantage of the law in an effort to assault young girls. That didn’t happen of course but the talking points were exactly the same as well as being pushed by the same group who of course has an agenda and that is to divide.

If it's such a small number of trans athletes, why do we have to make exceptions that will impact such a large number of women?
 
I think transgender people deserve to not face discrimination. I’m pretty sure it is law. Does that mean I think anyone’s daughter, I have four by the way. should have to play contact sports against a biological male? I don’t think anyone is forced to play sports for starters. I also don’t think girls have as much of an issue competing against “biological males” as you think. You said contact sports and biological males when the topic is not biological males or just contact sports. A couple of issues with those statements such as I am not aware of any girls contact sports. I have already pointed out how woman’s basketball practices against men. Also when you say biological male, that term is too simplistic. There are instances of women giving birth but finding out during pregnancy that her body chromosomally male. There are numerous cases where according to a persons chromosomes they are male but have ovaries or female and have gonads. I understand your confusion as I am sure it would be much simpler if we just had men with gonads and women with ovaries but that isn’t always the case. Either way, a true transgender person identifies as the opposite sex than they they were born as by definition but, how the validity of that is measured is up to debate. It’s not as black and white as some wish it to be.
The bottom line is transgender people have the right to not be discriminated against and that is also true when sports is the subject. How that will be made possible is yet to be determined but once again, I was and am responding to those who have said males will abuse the rule. I don’t believe that will happen and if it does, it will be a small number of cases that will be dealt with accordingly. If your daughter is playing a contact sport, I am not sure what sport that is but it will be no different than non-contact sports. It will be covered under the law and will need to be dealt with in order to remain as such. How that happens I don’t know but if your daughter doesn’t want to be involved, she has the right to not be and you have the right or take her to a place that aligns more to your beliefs.

Curious to hear your thoughts on this?

 
The 2011 National Transgender Discrimination Survey found 61 percent of trans and gender nonconforming respondents reported having medically transitioned.
My point is, even those who don’t medically transition, they still live a lifestyle that matches their beliefs and most men won’t be dedicated enough to fake that just to play in women’s sports. As a matter of fact, I can’t think of any male sports figures who wish they could play against the girls instead of the men. It’s tough for testosterone to be anything but masculine and most male athletes strive to be the best in their own sport, not to drop down a level so they can overwhelm a bunch of girls.

money makes people do weird stuff.
Plus, you're making it sound like all women where pink and have their long hair tied up in bows?

Wonder if a guy says he's a woman but doesn't "act" like a woman. Who are you to tell him how he feels, how he's supposed to act and dress?
Wonder if that guy happens to be a really, really good golfer, but not good enough to compete on the PGA but definitely good enough to win a ton of money on the LPGA.
 
Your words fella, your fear of allowing biological males, I assume you mean trans athletes, to compete with your daughter is an increase in injury risk. So I ask you a simple yes or no question, if the trans athlete posed no physical threat of injury to your daughter, are you okay if they compete with them? Then I asked you an equally simple question, since you appear to fear the injury risk posed by a more physical opponent, would you like your daughter to compete against athletes that are only her physical equals? Maybe my assumptions are wrong, maybe you think the trans athlete is just more violent, more apt to sneak a shiv on the pitch. Answer or continue to duck, time for me to say goodbye to these silly threads

Should trans athletes (biological males) be able to win college scholarships to play women's sports?

Would a college coach put 2 or 3 trans athletes on the field if it guaranteed them a really good shot at a national championship, significant $ performance bonuses, etc?
 
“It was tough conditions out here with the wind and the heat over the last three days but, as she has over the last six months, CeCe proved herself to be tough enough to handle it,” head coach Zach Emerson said of her performance. “Plus, she’s a guy, and naturally bigger, stronger and faster than the competition, so that helped a lot too.”
 
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