Republicans for Biden
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I vote on policy, not personality. Biden’s stated position to shut down all oil drilling and fracking is enough for me and many others to dismiss him as a serious candidate. That being said, I actually prefer Trump’s personality over Biden’s and that’s saying something.
Yeah, that certainly does say something.
Biden has been in politics since 1973. Trump isn’t a politician, which is why both Democrats and Republicans both hate him. Pick nearly any issue and you can find videos of Biden providing opposite positions depending on the time and/or his audience. That’s what people hate about him and why Sanders would have been a much better choice to go up against Trump.
I am going to go on a limb here and say that if everyone hates him, then that’s fairly counterproductive. His attitude is counterproductive and I’ve seen zero indication from him that he even cares to reach across the aisle. How does that help anything? A shrewd businessman would be able to negotiate his way through the opposition. He creates it.
Never said that everyone hates him, but every Democrat and a good deal of Republicans in Congress do since he represents the end of how they have done things for decades if he is successful. Make no mistake, McConnell, Schumer and Pelosi would all rather have Biden in as President since everything would go back to Washington as usual. I may not like Trump’s personality but I’m not a fan of endless wars, open borders or trade deals that sell out our country.
Except we’ve never had open borders, his changes to trade deals haven’t done much to help (tariffs are not a good trade policy, fyi) and we are still at war. I’ll give him credit that he hasn’t pushed us into another war. But pulling out of the Paris accord and then the WHO....during a pandemic no less.....show how petty he is. And I’m still waiting on his big, beautiful Obamacare replacement. It’s one thing to talk big, but there’s been minimal meaningful action.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. A simple catch and release policy in my view is the equivalent of open borders, especially when it’s combined with economic incentives from various cities and states throughout the country. I’m all for streamlining the immigration system so that those who wish to come to our country can do so in an orderly and efficient way but both parties enjoy having immigration as a wedge issue even though they are two sides of the same coin. The Paris accord wasn’t a treaty since it was never voted on in the Senate, just like the deal he made with Iran. Never understood why it allowed China to continue building coal plants for years when we only account for less carbon than they do. Simply don’t get me started with how the WHO has communicated to the world regarding this pandemic. He did renegotiate NAFTA and our trade deal with South Korea. It’s up to the American public to cut off buying from China. Totally agree with you on healthcare, as I think Obamacare is awful.
Uh, as of mid-May Michigan's governor had a 71% approval rating and Pennsylvania's 72%.
I’m curious as to why Obamacare is awful In your opinion? It gave insurance to millions who could never get it. Was it perfect? Hell no. Nowhere close. Was it a start? Yes. There were and are many shortcomings and I don’t think anyone could deny that. But Trump’s sole intention was to dismantle it because he just doesn’t like Obama. That’s obvious. A shrewd businessman, though, would have fixed all the things wrong with it, and it would have been a tremendous triumph. But he’s done nothing about it other than occasionally say something is coming when someone bothers to remember asking him about it.
Agreed on the agreeing to disagree on the other items lol. I appreciate the convo so early on a gorgeous Saturday morning (I’m actually working on a project and am clearly procrastinating lol). Enjoy the day!
Whitmer and Wolf both have approval ratings above 70%??? Sounds to me like a narrative is being pushed by the media. I have to listen to Cuomo all the time in my area and the media has made him a deity.
Somebody close to me who served in the military for quite some time is good friends with an agent who was on Obama’s security team during his first term. Talked to him for a bit at a wedding in Florida late last year.
He said Biden isn’t very bright, a complete goof (he often faked hitting males in the crotch region) and has always been stuck in the 70’s. Not a bad human being whatsoever and was always polite and respectful. Also added that it’s sad seeing him in his current state. Shouldn’t be propped up and doing this. Said he was Mondale 2.0.
You're right, it is sad. My wife keeps asking me why his wife doesn't say something to him after hearing him speak. Night and day difference between him now and when he was VP.
Don’t say the D word!!! Got some folks on here who are still in denial and will freak out !!
There is no truth in this post.....at all. Pubs hate trump, Sanders would be better, trump is hated because he isn't a politician, people hate Biden because he supposedly changes his position.
Oh Bull shit Boner....that's a paid actor, paid for by Jared Kushner posing as a Democrat voter for Trump. We all know that NO black person would EVER vote for Trump.
Wait, . . you mean THIS leader doesn't accept ANY responsibility for neither his ineptitude nor his pandemic policy over the 5 months ? That's rich !
I am sure the people impacted will disagree with that. Wasn't he the guy who said "I got this" & " there were only 15 cases of coronavirus in the US, and “within a couple days [it is] going to be down to close to zero." ha ha ha
I think the verdict is still out on that - let's see what he DOES with respect to justice for the slaying first
Trump is a means to an end. Amazing must people can’t get that intellectually or emotionally.
To me, Trump is a bandaid over the bullet hole that is our nation’s slide into socialism.
the trump-character
has been great for television and entertainment
also effective at eliminating small government conservatism,
which would not have even been realized just a few short years ago
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Prove what? That compared to the Mayor and Governor of MN who are both Democrats, that Minneapolis cops are decidedly pro-Trump?
You do know that a large number of Minneapolis police officers attended Trump's Nov 2019 rally in Minneapolis wearing "Cops For Trump" T-shirts, right? And that the head of the police Union (far left) actually appeared on stage WITH Trump? Not making a value-judgment, or even saying ALL Minneapolis cops are pro-Trump. But it would appear a significant amount of them are...
So ratings are important? Who knew?
No wonder that Trump brags about his ratings, and that he likes uneducated people, including people like atlboiler.
Can america become any more stupid if this is what it's all about?
Thank god Betsy Devoss is head of our Department of Education....
Stupid is as Stupid does, I guess.
Thanks for your great Leadership, Donald.
Placing responsibility on one person for something he didn't cause or create is cowardly and ignorant. He didn't unleash the virus. He did more in the beginning than even the experts were saying to do. Only people using hind site are attacking him on this but even those people were saying we aren't in danger.
There's evidence that the virus was already here in late December early January. Are you going to blame him for that too?
I don't disagree with your reaching across the isle comment. The issue is that he can't reach across the isle because the swap rats he's reaching to try to take a mile if you give them an inch. Just look at what Dems tried to add to the relief fund for this shut down. It was absolutely absurd and delayed money going to people that needed it. That's what he has to deal with. The swap Republicans aren't any better. This government needs to be cleaned up top to bottom. That was the message people were sending by electing Trump. Biden is just another bad actor and why I don't believe he will be elected.
Seeing a small few on the stage is a far cry from the claim that the cops that committed this crime are decidedly pro Trump.Prove what? That compared to the Mayor and Governor of MN who are both Democrats, that Minneapolis cops are decidedly pro-Trump?
You do know that a large number of Minneapolis police officers attended Trump's Nov 2019 rally in Minneapolis wearing "Cops For Trump" T-shirts, right? And that the head of the police Union (far left) actually appeared on stage WITH Trump? Not making a value-judgment, or even saying ALL Minneapolis cops are pro-Trump. But it would appear a significant amount of them are...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/police-minnesota-trump-rally/
That said, Trump condemns this act. Why isn't that enough? You people act like when something bad happens it's because of Trump. That would be like blaming Obama for the increased tension toward the Police under his administration.
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1.) Didn't cause ? I agree
2.) But there is ab-so-lute-ly NO doubt that he "continues" to leave a nation undefended. Hell, he didn't even respond to the captain of the USS Roosevelt who was trying to save his crew or take action to prevent the same kind of quagmire within the long-term care facilities for our Vets !
3.) Ignorant? - Hardly. YOU are the one being ignorant if you think people couldn't have done SIGNIFICANTLY better. Look at South Korea ! Look at Taiwan for goodness sake. They didn't close their borders with China until AFTER we did. The difference in results is SHAMEFUL. Look them up !
4.) In the beginning? - One good or lucky decision does NOT a leader make !
5.) Even his own experts warned him in January. Why is it so hard to accept that as the nation's leader and as the head of our armed forces, with his TOP priority being to protect the American people, that he is not responsible for what happens in our country. He said we are at WAR, right? This isn't happening overseas !
IF you don't believe he is responsible, I am guessing that you also think it's going to "magically go away" and that all of the people killed will rise from the dead at the end !
6.) Blame him for Dec. Heck no, no one sensible would blame him for the early cases, but . . the rest happened on HIS watch. It's really that simple.
PS Contrary to what he "claims", it is PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that he is NOT intellectually gifted !
Your statement would be fine if Trump actually hired people who were cleaning up any messes. But he doesn’t. He has consistently hired people who just add to the mess. He hires yes men first. He hires no one who challenges him. Or if they do, he fires them or they quit. His administration has been one big revolving door. You can pull the bullshit Democrat stonewalling excuse all you want, but Republicans had full control for his first two years and did dick with them. You really, really need to think things through a little bit more before you snap your neck trying to defend him.
IF the virus was here in December then the rest of your points here are moot.
What you cannot do is compare us to other countries with completely different systems. We aren't a China who can literally weld their citizens inside their home. Also it's hard to compare vs other countries because ALL countries only know of the cases in which they have tested for. We are doing by far more tests than any other country therefore it's only logical that our numbers are going to be higher. Then there's how each country reports. Do you really think China only has 4,600 deaths? Then we have the issue with people being reported as dying from covid that didn't necessarily die from covid. This is going on in many states right now.
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...nting-guidelines-colorados-confirmed-covid-19
The experts that you claim warned Trump were still saying we weren't at risk at the same time Trump was banning travel to/from China.
I know you think you know what's what right now, because the media is good at that, but there's a lot that we don't know yet because nobody really knows. Hell, Sweden never really shut down and they are doing just fine.
They did dick because most of the Republicans were anti Trump. I thought this was common knowledge. They hated him because he stood to undo what the swamp rats wanted to maintain. Swamp rats on the Right and the Left.
THAT is not what I said. The post I responded to blamed the Mayor and the Governor because they were Democrats. I merely pointed out that the actual perpetrators were Minneapolis Policemen and as a whole a lot of those policemen in Minneapolis support Trump.
Not necessarily the ones involved, but on the whole I'd say there are more pro-Trump cops in Minneapolis than there are pro-Biden (or any Democrat).
So if you blame the Mayor and Governor for being Democrats, then you have to acknowledge that bad apples within the police Dept come from an organization that on the whole supports Trump. Including the head of the Police Union, who wore a red "Cop For Trump" shirt onstage at Trump's rally.
What did the "swamp rats" want to maintain? And what corruption has Trump cleaned up, other than what came from people HE HIRED? I honestly think he had the all-time record for "Cabinet firings" within the first 2 yrs of his term. It's like "Vett" is not a term he's added to his 4th-grade vocabulary. Man is he in for a shock when he looks up the meaning...
They want to maintain control. Trump was/is disrupting that. If you take a deeper look, he's done quite a lot that is good for everyone IMO.
The virus wasn't in the US in Dec. It wasn't anywhere outside of China in December. The earliest cases in China were believed to be Nov...I've linked articles showing how ill-prepared Trump was before. The cuts to US CDC/monitoring staff that had been in place in China for decades. The ignoring of the Plans Bush and Obama had left in place.
As for Trump's China Ban, it was only for non-US citizens who had been in China within the previous 2 weeks. That did not begin to account for people from other countries (aside from China) that may have been exposed in say France or Spain to someone who had returned there or had in turn been exposed to someone else who had returned from China. I realize that's a major Trump talking point, but the fact of the matter TESTING, esp at airports along with a quarantine would have been much more effective.
Compare a country like S Korea which by early March had more cases than anywhere in the world outside China. The steps they took at that point allowed them to basically "arrest" the virus, and they were able to slow the curve more than practically any other country.
Jan 20 both S Korea (ROK) and the US recorded their first Covid case. By March 17 ROK had tested 274,000 people while the US had tested 25,000. In addition, the ROK instituted aggressive contact tracing, which you can turn on Fox News and find people opposed to. This is an interesting video...
But the worst point you made is your comment that Sweden is doing fine. I'll let the Natl Review (well known leftist rag) handle this one. Last week for the 2nd week in a row Sweden led the world in per capita deaths. And keep in mind compared to neighbors like Norway and Denmark which have both reopened schools, Sweden's death rates are horrific... Now Norway and Denmark both have populations of 5+ Million, compared to Swedens 10+ Million. But while Sweden has 2x as many people as Norway, they have had 10X as many deaths per capita...
"According to the Worldometers website, 435 out of every one million Swedes have died from the virus, while the virus has killed 44 out of every million Norwegians.
Norway imposed a lockdown to slow the spread of the coronavirus early on March 12, but the country reopened schools early in May. “Our goal is that by June 15 we will have reopened most of the things that were closed,” Norway’s prime minister said at a press conference earlier this month.
Its neighbor Sweden, by contrast, took a more lax approach: The government banned events with more than 50 people and shut down universities and secondary schools but imposed few other restrictions.
Swedish government officials said lockdowns could do little to save lives over the long term and that their more lax approach would let their society reach herd immunity more quickly and lessen the economic pain the country would endure. “About 30 percent of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity,” Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, the Swedish ambassador to the United States, told NPR on April 26. “We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month.”
But a recent study found that just 7.3 percent of Stockholm residents tested positive for coronavirus antibodies at the end of April. “I think herd immunity is a long way off, if we ever reach it,” Bjorn Olsen, professor of infectious medicine at Uppsala University, told Reuters.
And it’s not clear Sweden’s economy will be better off than Norway’s this year. “Economists at Swedish bank SEB estimate Sweden’s GDP will drop 6.5 per cent this year, about the same as the US and Germany, but a little better than Norway and ahead of 9–10 per cent falls in Finland and Denmark, all of which have had lockdowns,” the Financial Times reported May 10. A Reuters poll from April found economists predicting the Scandinavian economies would all fare about the same in 2020."
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/swedens-covid-death-rate-now-ten-times-higher-than-norways/
It all depends on how you define "doing just fine"? I know it's a right-wing talking point, but compared to its neighbors Sweden has been a disaster...
Sweden
Confirmed
37,542
Recovered
4,971
Deaths
4,395
Norway
Confirmed
8,440
Recovered
7,727
Deaths
236
Denmark
Confirmed
11,669
+36
Recovered
10,362
Deaths
574
There were people here in my area that were getting very sick, my wife included, that was different than anything we've experienced before. Definitely not the flu. Do you really think that China knew what was going on in it's borders the instant it happened? It would take months for it to get big enough and spread far enough to notice. Easily could spread elsewhere before people knew what it was. I have had Dr friends confirm to me that it could have been Covid they were seeing around that time.
I would be cautious how you compare some countries. The ones with near dictatorial control I would be damn near certain are hiding the real numbers.
Also, sure Denmark and Norway have very low deaths, but at what cost? Will their economy be severely damaged? I know it sounds inhumane to talk about lives vs economy but people not being able to live and support their families literally cost lives.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-suicides-drugs-alcohol-pandemic-75000/
Talking about losing that many lives to suicide is just as bad no? So you have to balance things. Now going back to my comment about Sweden. Yes, I think a 0.04% per capita death rate is doing very well.
That video makes assertions that the Trump administration didn't ramp up testing. The issue was with the CDC. The CDC refused the tests that were being done in other countries and wanted to come up with their own. I have yet to see where Trump made them do that. The testing issue is on the CDC. Then there is the claim that Trump defunded the CDC in some way which isn't true either. Now he did make proposals to cut funding prior to the virus outbreak, but congress always sent spending increases that Trump always signed. He also didn't get rid of the pandemic response team, he reorganized it in efforts to make it more efficient. There is a Washington Post article called "No, the white house didn't dissolve the pandemic response team" but I can't link it for some reason.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-cut-cdcs-budget-democrats-claim-analysis/story?id=69233170
Of course it's an old video too since we're now doing more tests than the next 5 countries combigned. Also that Dr was drastically wrong. We didn't end up like Italy at all. Most hospitals had to lay off Dr's because there was nobody in the hospitals to care for and pay the bills.
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