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Our nation's COVID-19 response is a disaster !

The not wearing masks issue is weird as I have seen men wear, seemingly without embarrassment, red and white striped pants. Have also seen grown men wearing shirts with IU and Indiana printed right on the front in big letters. Boggles the mind.
hey leave the red white warm ups out of it. I may or may not own a pair.
 
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One of the reasons I focus more on the start of WWI, and how it happened, is that it is more fascinating than the number of deaths on the whole and then those killed per square meter, while meant to show the cost of a meaninglessness war, it becomes gore porn and overwhelming. That said, the US was not happy with the number of it's sons who died in 13 MONTHS of combat in WWI.

Today, with COVID, and less these deaths coming in half the time it's "oh well, Don't Tread on Me, with your masks!!!" 'Merica!

First, well said !

Second, I am also fascinated by the parallels to World War II, where racists lead a nation to barbaric savagery and the world said "Never again".

Well, here we go again, and never in my wildest imagination did I think it would happen here, in America (ie white supremacists beating the war drums again because they have "more" than a sympathetic ear in the white house) African American men hanged in California, peaceful protesters being run over, churches being attacked, African American men being killed by our police officers, A 75 year old white man who protested against this being knocked to the ground and walked over while bleeding and Bolton's claim about Trump supporting concentration camps in China. This is insanity

Check out this article if you don't think these things are linked. Talk about going "all in" on the "latest" dog whistle to this group. Even a Jewish group has called out Trump's recent campaign tactics.

https://www.newsweek.com/history-re...ntration-camps-team-trump-facebook-ad-1511897

Bottom line:

It sadly comes as no surprise to me; therefore, that all opposition (African Americans, any protestor (of any color), political adversaries are looked at as expendable.) They currently have the hammer and EVERYTHING and EVERYONE in their path looks like a nail !

EVERYONE needs to vote this year ! It's time to end this nightmare
 
I see where Italy is now down to a few hundred cases a day.
In contrast, our nation is out of control.

While I understand that Italy is no where near the size of the United States, they are the combined size of California and Texas, or the combined size of New York, Florida & Texas . . . and yet they have a 10th of the numbers those groups have.

Just another example which proves our President's response has been an unmitigated disaster !
 
First, well said !

Second, I am also fascinated by the parallels to World War II, where racists lead a nation to barbaric savagery and the world said "Never again".

Well, here we go again, and never in my wildest imagination did I think it would happen here, in America (ie white supremacists beating the war drums again because they have "more" than a sympathetic ear in the white house) African American men hanged in California, peaceful protesters being run over, churches being attacked, African American men being killed by our police officers, A 75 year old white man who protested against this being knocked to the ground and walked over while bleeding and Bolton's claim about Trump supporting concentration camps in China. This is insanity

Check out this article if you don't think these things are linked. Talk about going "all in" on the "latest" dog whistle to this group. Even a Jewish group has called out Trump's recent campaign tactics.

https://www.newsweek.com/history-re...ntration-camps-team-trump-facebook-ad-1511897

Bottom line:

It sadly comes as no surprise to me; therefore, that all opposition (African Americans, any protestor (of any color), political adversaries are looked at as expendable.) They currently have the hammer and EVERYTHING and EVERYONE in their path looks like a nail !

EVERYONE needs to vote this year ! It's time to end this nightmare
you are very easily manipulated. hanging death was suicide. everything else also happened under obama and is not new. You need to get a hold of yourself.
 
you are very easily manipulated. hanging death was suicide. everything else also happened under obama and is not new. You need to get a hold of yourself.


Ha ha ha ! Sure "they" were (you "are" aware that there were 2, not 1 right?) Do you see any white kids hanging from trees?

And . . YOU need to use a wee bit of reasoning, instead of accepting the lies ! Hanging to death is not the quickest, , easiest, or best ways to die, if you want to kill yourself. (I can't remember ANY that weren't lynchings.)

PS Are you aware that there has been 6500 lynchings of black men in the last 85 years right? I would say that's a shameful trend and a strong reason to believe my viewpoint and not yours !
 
Ha ha ha ! Sure "they" were (you "are" aware that there were 2, not 1 right?) Do you see any white kids hanging from trees?

And . . YOU need to use a wee bit of reasoning, instead of accepting the lies ! Hanging to death is not the quickest, , easiest, or best ways to die, if you want to kill yourself. (I can't remember ANY that weren't lynchings.)

PS Are you aware that there has been 6500 lynchings of black men in the last 85 years right? I would say that's a shameful trend and a strong reason to believe my viewpoint and not yours !
nyt says the families said it was suicide. do you have better information? NO! you are easily manipulated.
 
" I " have always cared about COVID, the process mismanagement, the lack of leadership /professional expertise and the lack of urgency.

The sad thing is . . . even after all of the physical and financial carnage, no directional change is being seen in the white house - They are either unwilling or incapable of doing so. This needs to be "managed" LOWER; they need to tell ALL Americans to wear masks and social distance themselves, they need RELIABLE tests and they need to put on their big boy pants and lead by example !

I predicted 250,000 deaths in Sept and then the jump in coastal areas - It's happening. The numbers are now VERY clear !

Orange man bad
 
177% increase in COVID hospitalizations but nothing to see here.
But, but... if we weren't leading the world in testing our numbers would be lower and those that are a part of the 177% benefited from this testing, on a level the world has never seen before, how else would they have know they needed to be hospitalized? MAGA!!!
 
177% increase in COVID hospitalizations but nothing to see here.

285 deaths nationwide today. Mondays are usually light days for reporting (so will see higher number later in week), but numbers have been trending down.
 
285 deaths nationwide today. Mondays are usually light days for reporting (so will see higher number later in week), but numbers have been trending down.

time will tell. The death numbers tend to lag. Let’s hope that trend continues as covid is raging across the USA again.
 
285 deaths nationwide today. Mondays are usually light days for reporting (so will see higher number later in week), but numbers have been trending down.

I doubt we see any jump for a week or two. Hospital capacity is the first to go, then elective surgeries are stopped, . . then the deaths start to pick up. According to this article, 2 things are apparent:

1.) The state only has about 25% of capacity left (with elective surgeries being done) &
2.) That's the result of previous cost cutting

The NEXT phase to watch for is the curtailment of elective surgeries. IF . . that happens, then Florida understands that it is in serious trouble. But, I believe it's coming next. The bigger problem they have, is all of the kids getting the virus down there - I am guessing that each of them has a family !

PS The really SAD note is that Italy is now down to 200 "cases" a day, while we have over that number in deaths. Yes they have a smaller population, but . . New York, Florida and Texas is a good comparison and that STILL clearly shows the embarrassment going on here.

PSS Look for deaths to rise in July
 
So is it good or bad that Texas is now having to admit adults in to its Children's Hospital?

Slow down the testing, America! My fearless leader told me that was a brilliant idea. Maybe if we stop the testing these adults can just stay home, not get sick, and not risk the health of sick children at the hospital.


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Hey, what do you know ! ! A number of Mayors in Texas is making masks mandatory. SHOCKER !

I wonder if they are finally getting smart or just recognizing the "political" ramifications of idiocy.
 
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Ha ha ha ! Sure "they" were (you "are" aware that there were 2, not 1 right?) Do you see any white kids hanging from trees?

And . . YOU need to use a wee bit of reasoning, instead of accepting the lies ! Hanging to death is not the quickest, , easiest, or best ways to die, if you want to kill yourself. (I can't remember ANY that weren't lynchings.)

PS Are you aware that there has been 6500 lynchings of black men in the last 85 years right? I would say that's a shameful trend and a strong reason to believe my viewpoint and not yours !
Remind us all again what political party supported the Ku Klux Klan?
 
Remind us all again what political party supported the Ku Klux Klan?
Started with the Democratic Party in the South, but both parties saw support within the KKK until the Civil Right’s Act created a schism. Then the Republican Party took to attracting southern whites that were upset about Civil Rights. The KKK has been ingrained with members of both parties. In Indiana, there was a period in the 1920s that the KKK damn near ran the state through the Republican Party. Which party are all of those kinds of people aligned with right now? It’s certainly not the Democratic Party.
 
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Started with the Democratic Party in the South, but both parties saw support within the KKK until the Civil Right’s Act created a schism. Then the Republican Party took to attracting southern whites that were upset about Civil Rights. The KKK has been ingrained with members of both parties. In Indiana, there was a period in the 1920s that the KKK damn near ran the state through the Republican Party. Which party are all of those kinds of people aligned with right now? It’s certainly not the Democratic Party.
Once upon a time, every student of history – and that meant pretty much everyone with a high school education – knew this: The Democratic Party was the party of slavery and Jim Crow, and the Republican Party was the party of emancipation and racial integration.

Democrats were the Confederacy and Republicans were the Union. Jim Crow Democrats were dominant in the South and socially tolerant Republicans were dominant in the North.

But then, in the 1960s and 70s, everything supposedly flipped: suddenly the Republicans became the racists and the Democrats became the champions of civil rights.

Fabricated by left-leaning academic elites and journalists, the story went like this: Republicans couldn’t win a national election by appealing to the better nature of the country; they could only win by appealing to the worst. Attributed to Richard Nixon, the media’s all-purpose bad guy, this came to be known as “The Southern Strategy.”

It was very simple. Win elections by winning the South. And to win the South, appeal to racists. So, the Republicans, the party of Lincoln, were to now be labeled the party of rednecks. But this story of the two parties switching identities is a myth. In fact, it’s three myths wrapped into one false narrative.

Myth Number One: In order to be competitive in the South, Republicans started to pander to white racists in the 1960s.

Fact: Republicans actually became competitive in the South as early as 1928, when Republican Herbert Hoover won over 47 percent of the South’s popular vote against Democrat Al Smith. In 1952, Republican President Dwight Eisenhower won the southern states of Tennessee, Florida and Virginia. And in 1956, he picked up Louisiana, Kentucky and West Virginia, too. And that was after he supported the Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education that desegregated public schools; and after he sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock Central High School to enforce integration.

Myth Number Two: Southern Democrats, angry with the Civil Rights Act of 1964, switched parties.

Fact: Of the 21 Democratic senators who opposed the Civil Rights Act, just one became a Republican. The other 20 continued to be elected as Democrats, or were replaced by other Democrats. On average, those 20 seats didn’t go Republican for another two-and-a-half decades.

Myth Number Three: Since the implementation of the Southern Strategy, the Republicans have dominated the South.

Fact: Richard Nixon, the man who is often credited with creating the Southern Strategy, lost the Deep South in 1968. In contrast, Democrat Jimmy Carter nearly swept the region in 1976 - 12 years after the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And in 1992, over 28 years later, Democrat Bill Clinton won Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virginia. The truth is, Republicans didn’t hold a majority of southern congressional seats until 1994, 30 years after the Civil Rights Act.
As Kevin Williamson of the National Review writes: “If southern rednecks ditched the Democrats because of a civil-rights law passed in 1964, it is strange that they waited until the late 1980s and early 1990s to do so. They say things move slower in the south -- but not that slow.”
So, what really happened? Why does the South now vote overwhelmingly Republican? Because the South itself has changed. Its values have changed. The racism that once defined it, doesn’t anymore. Its values today are conservative ones: pro-life, pro-gun, and pro-small government.

And here’s the proof: Southern whites are far more likely to vote for a black conservative, like Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, than a white liberal.

In short, history has moved on. Like other regions of the country, the South votes values, not skin color. The myth of the Southern Strategy is just the Democrats’ excuse for losing the South, and yet another way to smear Republicans with the label “racist.”

- Carol Swann
 
Once upon a time, every student of history – and that meant pretty much everyone with a high school education – knew this: The Democratic Party was the party of slavery and Jim Crow, and the Republican Party was the party of emancipation and racial integration.

Democrats were the Confederacy and Republicans were the Union. Jim Crow Democrats were dominant in the South and socially tolerant Republicans were dominant in the North.

But then, in the 1960s and 70s, everything supposedly flipped: suddenly the Republicans became the racists and the Democrats became the champions of civil rights.

Fabricated by left-leaning academic elites and journalists, the story went like this: Republicans couldn’t win a national election by appealing to the better nature of the country; they could only win by appealing to the worst. Attributed to Richard Nixon, the media’s all-purpose bad guy, this came to be known as “The Southern Strategy.”

It was very simple. Win elections by winning the South. And to win the South, appeal to racists. So, the Republicans, the party of Lincoln, were to now be labeled the party of rednecks. But this story of the two parties switching identities is a myth. In fact, it’s three myths wrapped into one false narrative.

Myth Number One: In order to be competitive in the South, Republicans started to pander to white racists in the 1960s.

Fact: Republicans actually became competitive in the South as early as 1928, when Republican Herbert Hoover won over 47 percent of the South’s popular vote against Democrat Al Smith. In 1952, Republican President Dwight Eisenhower won the southern states of Tennessee, Florida and Virginia. And in 1956, he picked up Louisiana, Kentucky and West Virginia, too. And that was after he supported the Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education that desegregated public schools; and after he sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock Central High School to enforce integration.

Myth Number Two: Southern Democrats, angry with the Civil Rights Act of 1964, switched parties.

Fact: Of the 21 Democratic senators who opposed the Civil Rights Act, just one became a Republican. The other 20 continued to be elected as Democrats, or were replaced by other Democrats. On average, those 20 seats didn’t go Republican for another two-and-a-half decades.

Myth Number Three: Since the implementation of the Southern Strategy, the Republicans have dominated the South.

Fact: Richard Nixon, the man who is often credited with creating the Southern Strategy, lost the Deep South in 1968. In contrast, Democrat Jimmy Carter nearly swept the region in 1976 - 12 years after the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And in 1992, over 28 years later, Democrat Bill Clinton won Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virginia. The truth is, Republicans didn’t hold a majority of southern congressional seats until 1994, 30 years after the Civil Rights Act.
As Kevin Williamson of the National Review writes: “If southern rednecks ditched the Democrats because of a civil-rights law passed in 1964, it is strange that they waited until the late 1980s and early 1990s to do so. They say things move slower in the south -- but not that slow.”
So, what really happened? Why does the South now vote overwhelmingly Republican? Because the South itself has changed. Its values have changed. The racism that once defined it, doesn’t anymore. Its values today are conservative ones: pro-life, pro-gun, and pro-small government.

And here’s the proof: Southern whites are far more likely to vote for a black conservative, like Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, than a white liberal.

In short, history has moved on. Like other regions of the country, the South votes values, not skin color. The myth of the Southern Strategy is just the Democrats’ excuse for losing the South, and yet another way to smear Republicans with the label “racist.”

- Carol Swann

You can’t deny history, as much as you guys try. You also didn’t answer the question about who those type of people support now. Like I said, it’s definitely not the Democratic Party.
 
You can’t deny history, as much as you guys try. You also didn’t answer the question about who those type of people support now. Like I said, it’s definitely not the Democratic Party.
You must be right. The Democratic Party is so inclusive and welcoming to all. That doesn’t apply to individual thought or expression. Hypocrites.
 
You must be right. The Democratic Party is so inclusive and welcoming to all. That doesn’t apply to individual thought or expression. Hypocrites.
Change the subject when you got your ass handed to you, lol.
The Democratic Party expects factual logic based arguments. That flies in the face of everything the Republican Party is now. The right relies on disinformation, because actual facts do not back up nearly anything they want to believe.
 
Change the subject when you got your ass handed to you, lol.
The Democratic Party expects factual logic based arguments. That flies in the face of everything the Republican Party is now. The right relies on disinformation, because actual facts do not back up nearly anything they want to believe.
Logic??? Reasoning??? Those are words that you feel apply to liberals and leftists???
 
The not wearing masks issue is weird as I have seen men wear, seemingly without embarrassment, red and white striped pants. Have also seen grown men wearing shirts with IU and Indiana printed right on the front in big letters. Boggles the mind.

You have a point, but . . I think the mask issue is fairly straightforward and political - When our President doesn't model the right behavior, neither will a large part of his base which is uneducated. (ie Don't know better & not being told better in the areas in which they live.)

It's also the reason South Korea had 30 cases recently, while the U.S. had over 30 " thousand " cases ! ( # Lunacy ) You know what they say . . "Leadership starts at the TOP ! " We have none.
 
So do you all think the CV thing would be markedly better if the Dems were in charge, despite, at least to date, that there is pretty good evidence that states with democratic leadership have managed thus the worst?
 
So do you all think the CV thing would be markedly better if the Dems were in charge, despite, at least to date, that there is pretty good evidence that states with democratic leadership have managed thus the worst?

I think the Democratic states got hurt hardest originally exactly because they weren't getting the information that our federal government agencies were giving the President in January and February. The President chose to not only not take any action on it himself, he also didn't share that information with states, he also didn't tell the states to prepare.... what did he do? He told everyone it was going to be fine and just magically disappear. There weren't even tests available for the Democratic states to use until the middle of March. At that point the virus already was dominant in New York and across the East Coast.

So did the Dem states make mistakes sure, but I don't blame them for their initial outbreak. The Federal gov't kept the American people and the states in the dark until it was no longer possible to do so. The only reason Trump finally came around is because private businesses made him. Trump was still going along as normal while the basketball tournaments were being cancelled, the NBA was shutting down, etc. Our federal gov't position was that everything was just fine, and like a miracle it would all be gone as the weather warmed up in April.
 
So do you all think the CV thing would be markedly better if the Dems were in charge, despite, at least to date, that there is pretty good evidence that states with democratic leadership have managed thus the worst?

They certainly made mistakes.

Looks like the pub leadership didn't learn much from them.

Is it worse for a state to screw up when the virus is new and a little is known about it............or after it's been around for 6 months and we know more about it and how its transmitted?

You're really gonna push the political blame game when the president you aren't going to vote for is having rallies and completely ignoring his experts and his own CDC? And is ending funding for testing at 13 sites.......including 7 in the current Covid juggernaut that is Texas?

Trump is basically saying he doesn't GAF about Covid anymore. You good with that?
 
So do you all think the CV thing would be markedly better if the Dems were in charge, despite, at least to date, that there is pretty good evidence that states with democratic leadership have managed thus the worst?

wrong. Democrats often govern states with higher population density hence higher outbreaks.
 
Why are republicans such hot piles of garbage? Good god the ones on here are just big bags of stupid.
 
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