Any chance Edey plays Center and Williams moves to PF? Edey-Williams-Newman-Ivey-Hunter makes for an intriguing lineup with Sasha as 6th man. Add in Furst, Kaufman, Gillis and that a really good 9 man rotation, Morton, Thompson, Wheeler are good players, not sure how minutes will be distributed, deepest Purdue team that I can remember if all return.
Next years lineup?
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When both Furst and Kaufman signed their LOIs, a dozen different line-ups probably flashed through Painter's head, even if it was while asleep and dreaming. And 13 other B1G coaches shared it as a nightmare.
Painter did not know that Edey was so ready to have an impact this year. If he had, he might have made a completely different pitch to Haarms about his future role.
Painter did not know that Edey was so ready to have an impact this year. If he had, he might have made a completely different pitch to Haarms about his future role.
Tinkering with lineups is fun, next years Purdue team will be interesting.
I think there is about a zero percent chance because of how it works defensively. Next years starting lineup is probably either the same as this year unless Furst or Kaufman start at the 4 assuming none of the starters leave early.
Oddly enough I believe Sasha may be our most or second most important player. We really missed him in the lineup.
There is no way that Tre is a PF in today’s game. He is really good as of late and he will be our 5. Edey plays 15 minutes and assumes a nice role for himself.
It will be interesting to see how Furst and Kaufman fit in next year. I think in 2 years Furst and Kaufman are starters. Furst at 5, although he and Edey probably split minutes. Kaufman and Gillis will fight it out at the 4. One of them may get more minutes at the 3. Kaufman is the highest recruit in some time.
There is no way that Tre is a PF in today’s game. He is really good as of late and he will be our 5. Edey plays 15 minutes and assumes a nice role for himself.
It will be interesting to see how Furst and Kaufman fit in next year. I think in 2 years Furst and Kaufman are starters. Furst at 5, although he and Edey probably split minutes. Kaufman and Gillis will fight it out at the 4. One of them may get more minutes at the 3. Kaufman is the highest recruit in some time.
I think it's zero chance but more because it will hinder the offense.
Painter has two slashers/finishers in Ivey and Newman. You take away their effectiveness if you have two bigs clogging up the lane.
Now, if Edey or Tre could develop a consistent, reliable jumper for the pick n pop, then those guys become even more impactful because the other teams big will have to cover the high screen, clearing the lane for penetration.
I could see a starting 5 next year of
Ivey
Sasha/Hunter
Gillis/Newman
Kaufman
Tre
Ivey
Sasha/Hunter
Gillis/Newman
Kaufman
Tre
Hunter
Ivey/Newman
Sasha
Kaufman/Gillis
Tre
Ivey/Newman
Sasha
Kaufman/Gillis
Tre
There are going to be lots of options, and, an incredibly deep...and flexible...roster.
The most difficult thing will be getting all to buy in, and, keeping everyone engaged and, hopefully, happy and committed. This team seemingly has really good chemistry, and, no reason to think that will change with the addition of two guys that are thought of as highly as Furst and Kaufman.
Quality depth in the backcourt, and, in the frontcourt...with the potential for the exact same roster the following year, with Loyer joining...if so, Purdue would be "Wisconsin-esque" from an experience standpoint...and, more talented.
I started the thread for a little fun because next years going to be a fun year. I don't think both start next year, maybe they play on the court together a few minutes though. Ivey and Newman will be starters together on day 1 next year, guessing the lineup is Williams-Newman-Sasha-Ivey-Hunter. Edey, Kaufman, Furst, Gillis get lots of minutes. Thompson, Morton, and Wheeler are really going to have to work for minutes, all 3 can do it, Dow either calls it a career or returns as the 13th man, I hope all return and Purdue fields a 13 man all scholarship roster, no one else brought in even if Dow hangs em up or a player like Wheeler decides to move to a school where he starts and plays 25-30 minutes a game.
That seems like a very small starting lineup. I don't know which of those 4 to not start, but I have to think one of Gillis/Furst/Trey starts.
That looks like a good offensive line-up but defense and rebounding might suffer. As mediocre as IU is, Jackson-Davis and Thompson would give them a bad match-up.
Starting the season:
Hunter-senior/ballhandler/scorer/defender.
Ivey-slasher/scorer.
Newman-slasher/scorer/defender.
Gillis-Mr do it all.
Williams-senior/All B10.
Sasha-sixth man/scorer.
As the season progresses Kaufman plays a bigger and bigger role.
Edey and Furst spell Tre.
A healthy Morton displays his skills as distributor.
It will be up to Wheeler, Thompson and Douwanna to make the rotation.
Hunter-senior/ballhandler/scorer/defender.
Ivey-slasher/scorer.
Newman-slasher/scorer/defender.
Gillis-Mr do it all.
Williams-senior/All B10.
Sasha-sixth man/scorer.
As the season progresses Kaufman plays a bigger and bigger role.
Edey and Furst spell Tre.
A healthy Morton displays his skills as distributor.
It will be up to Wheeler, Thompson and Douwanna to make the rotation.
My starting 5 are Hunter, Sasha, Newman, Wheeler, and Tre. These 5 are experienced along with Newman to slash. I continue to be optimistic about Wheeler. He has so much ability, he just has to find himself.
Our second 5 which are just as good are Morton, Ivey, Gillis, Kaufman, and Zach. These 5 can build rapport and be Final Four players along with Newman and Furst in just two years. As a bonus, it looks like we are also bringing in a 3 point specialist.
I would redshirt Furst, give Dow a chance to see if he can be a role player, and keep Thompson as a reliable reserve who can step in and be productive. Hopefully, these 3 can surprise me.
Our second 5 which are just as good are Morton, Ivey, Gillis, Kaufman, and Zach. These 5 can build rapport and be Final Four players along with Newman and Furst in just two years. As a bonus, it looks like we are also bringing in a 3 point specialist.
I would redshirt Furst, give Dow a chance to see if he can be a role player, and keep Thompson as a reliable reserve who can step in and be productive. Hopefully, these 3 can surprise me.
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I am really high on Furst. I am not sure he’s good enough to play 4/PF next year, but I think he’s going to be better than Edey. I think some room clears out for him once Tre graduates.
Ivey is very good too. He just seems to need more time to develop, which is understandable. I like his ability to slash, but his 3 point shot isn’t there yet.
Hunter/Morton
Newman/Ivey
Sasha/Gillis
Kaufman/Furst
Williams/Edey
Newman/Ivey
Sasha/Gillis
Kaufman/Furst
Williams/Edey
I would put Furst before Edey for now.
Zach needs to learn the game a bit while honing his skills around the basket
TreyK/Gillis at 4,
Sasha/Newman at 3
IT/My Poisson at 2.
Whoa, looks sooooo good, already!
Boiler Up!!
Zach needs to learn the game a bit while honing his skills around the basket
TreyK/Gillis at 4,
Sasha/Newman at 3
IT/My Poisson at 2.
Whoa, looks sooooo good, already!
Boiler Up!!
TJD aint coming back to that dumpster fire.
I'd be very surprised if Ivey and Newman don't both start. They give the offense some many different options, are a major upgrade in athleticism over SS and EH.
Although, it's tough to keep one of the B10 best 3 pt shooters off the court.
Odd men out might be Morton and possibly Gillis. I don't think IT is going anywhere because of his low ceiling, his brother and just happy to be at PU.
Although, it's tough to keep one of the B10 best 3 pt shooters off the court.
Odd men out might be Morton and possibly Gillis. I don't think IT is going anywhere because of his low ceiling, his brother and just happy to be at PU.
I think there is no way Sasha doesn't start next year. As a Senior he will be a master of everything in the playbook and will be smarter on defense. He is also probably the best shooter in the league and Painter loves drawing up plays for guys like him, Cline, Dakota, etc.
I'm not going to say he will be better than both Newman and Ivey, but those guys are very similar players and either will be very effective on the second line. Sasha is deadly when he has good players creating looks for him, so him coming off the bench and playing with the second unit will make him significantly worse.
I'm not going to say he will be better than both Newman and Ivey, but those guys are very similar players and either will be very effective on the second line. Sasha is deadly when he has good players creating looks for him, so him coming off the bench and playing with the second unit will make him significantly worse.
Don't get me wrong. It is just my personality to root hard for Wheeler. I had hope he put on a ton of muscle and maybe he just can't, but I still wish he would take on the mindset of Gillis. He is very athletic, can run and jump, and his shot form just needs some minor tinkering and he can be incredible. But then again, I have been saying that for two years. Maybe Furst can come in and displace him as the PF.
The guy who bowled me over though is Zach. I was expecting 5 agonizing minutes from him a game. Did I read the reports correctly that he couldn't even start for his HS team? His leap is incredible and if he improves just half enough during this offseason, then Tre may be our best player this year, but Zach could get it for next. However, I still think upperclassmen should start. BTW, I went back to my post and edited Furst for also being an important player for taking us to the Final Four in 2 years, I goofed not including him.
The ultra big lineup
Edey - Furst - Gillis - Sasha - Morton
The shooting lineup
Gillis - Kaufman - Sasha - Newman - IT
The press lineup
Furst - Wheeler - Kaufman - Ivey - Hunter
The old guys lineup
Tre - Wheeler - Sasha - IT - Hunter
The starting lineup come March
Tre - Kaufman - Sasha - Newman - Ivey
Edey - Furst - Gillis - Sasha - Morton
The shooting lineup
Gillis - Kaufman - Sasha - Newman - IT
The press lineup
Furst - Wheeler - Kaufman - Ivey - Hunter
The old guys lineup
Tre - Wheeler - Sasha - IT - Hunter
The starting lineup come March
Tre - Kaufman - Sasha - Newman - Ivey
I have been mildly in love with Zach Edey too. Don’t get me wrong, this kid has some serious skills for his size. I just think Furst is going to be a really good player for us. I don’t know when... but mark it.
Kaufman is the highest ranked guy we’ve had since Biggey. Furst would be next. I think both guys will be great for us. Get them on the floor in one way or another.
I agree. I think we run the second unit with Furst playing some at the 5 and Edey will get less minutes out of our current group. I think he will be hard to keep off the floor as a Jr but I think Furst takes some of his minutes as Gillis is very important as a glue guy and he will share the four with Kaufman. Wheeler may leave or he may stay and give us those five fouls as do what he does now, grab rebounds and get out backs.
Kaufman may have some guard skills, so he could play some 3. Maybe get minutes at 3/4 similar to V Edwards. Furst seems like a F/C to me. He’s a big. He can probably shoot from 15 effectively, but not 3 right away. These 2 guys are our future. They’ve got to play.
It might be tempting to play some older guys, but these two probably have as high of a ceiling as Ivey (based on rankings only). It’s important to give them opportunities.
I just can't imagine anyway that Ivey isn't a first game starter.
Gillis looks like a 4 year starter to me. Furst and Kauffman are highly ranked by the recruiting services but Mason is a full grown man.
I like what Gillis is doing this year but I'll be a little disappointed if one of our top 50 recruits doesn't score more than 4.9 points and average more than 3.3 rebounds next year.
If we're getting top 50 guys, I'm hoping we are getting Hummel/JJ/Moore type talent. For reference Kaufman is currently ranked as the 30 best recruit according to Rivals. Last years 30th ranked player is averaging 12.1 points and 6.4 rebounds for Arizona State and the 30th ranked player in 2019 is playing for the Atlanta Hawks. In 2018 the 30th ranked player was Ayo Dosunmu from Illinois. Hunter Dickerson was ranked 40th last year and Furst is ranked 42nd this year. Some guys over achieve and some under achieve but these guys have high ceilings.
I still think Gillis will have a roll but if Furst or Kaufman aren't major contributors, we're probably not going to be as good as we all hope we'll be.
Not sure who you take out. It won’t be Sasha. As with most freshman, Kaufman will struggle from the 3pt line. Need Sasha out there to balance it out.
Just in case you where wondering.....
Rivals Rankings 2021
Kaufman 30
Furst 42
Rivals Rankings 2007
Moore 35
JJ 42
Hummel 75
Rivals Rankings 2021
Kaufman 30
Furst 42
Rivals Rankings 2007
Moore 35
JJ 42
Hummel 75
Notice Hunter wasn't handling the ball at the end of the Ohio State game and Ivey was? I'd say it's more likely him being the odd man out if he doesn't step it up in the off-season...
I fully agree that Furst and Kaufman will be major contributors as freshmen. A few things to keep in mind -- when Hummel/JJ/Moore arrived, there were no All-Big Ten quality players in front of them. Even so, JJ only started half of the games as a freshman. He averaged 5.4 pts and 3.1 rebounds. The start for one of the greatest Boilers ever.
I thought about that as well and I agree to some extent but the situation your describing is similar to the situation Ivey is in this year. Purdue had three solid guards in the backcourt before Ivey arrived. I think most believe Ivey is the most exciting of the four, however, due to his inexperience he's been prone to making poor decision (shot selection). As a result he hasn't been any more productive than our veteran players. I think what makes it tough for Painter is to find the right balance because the production between the four is only marginally different and he needs to keep everyone happy. Keep in mind Ivey and Newman are basically playing the same position and they were both ranked about the same coming out of high school (79 Vs 85).
With the "bigs" its a little different. Despite some doubters at the beginning of the year Williams is by far our best player in the front court (on the team for that matter), so he'll get his 25 minutes. That basically leaves 55 minutes for Edey, Wheeler, Furst, Kaufman, Gillis and Dow. The question is who gets those minutes? My thought is that if your a top 50 guy you should be able to earn a good chunk of those minutes. I trust Painter to figure it out but if I was going to speculate.....
Trey/Furst split the minutes at the 5 and Gillis/Kaufman play the 4. Edey could either redshirt or play spot minutes. I love Edey's potential and Painter is going to need to figure out how to keep him happy. We're probably going to need him after Trey leaves. He has had some success this year so it may not be easy to get him to accept a lesser role but that's why Painter gets the big bucks. My guess is that Wheeler and Dow will be the odd men out.
For those of you who think Kaufman could play some three that really doesn't solve anything because there is already strong competition for the minutes at the 2 and 3. Kaufman playing minutes at the three would put significant pressure on Sasha's, Ivey's and Newman's minutes.
I love Gillis' attitude and scrappiness, but he's really a tweener at 6'6. He might be the type of player who knows pro ball isn't in his future and he just loves being part of the Purdue program and team, therefore, will do whatever Painter needs him to do for 4 years and smile to have a PU degree.
Ivey is out most dynamic 3 level scorer since Carson and before that, probably Moore or Hummel.
Players like him are the future of the program and Painter has to use him as a recruiting tool to get others like him into the program.
I think he starts the rest of his career.
I have really enjoyed reading everyone's opinion here. Maybe I am wrong about Wheeler and Furst and Kaufman are our interchangeable starting PF's. Ideally one redshirts, so we have one for the year when Edey moves on.
What I also predict that no one is mentioning is playing Ivey and Morton together. Juggle in SG Newman. Then have Newman, Gillis and at times Kaufman at SF. At PF Kaufman and Furst and Furst and Edey at Center. If we see a combination of these 7 playing all the time in practice next year and as much as possible these matchups in the games, can you imagine how great we will be in 2 years?
What I also predict that no one is mentioning is playing Ivey and Morton together. Juggle in SG Newman. Then have Newman, Gillis and at times Kaufman at SF. At PF Kaufman and Furst and Furst and Edey at Center. If we see a combination of these 7 playing all the time in practice next year and as much as possible these matchups in the games, can you imagine how great we will be in 2 years?
Everybody seems to be assigning Edey to a backup role in the future. I don't see it. He's already showing development. If he improves his strength a little and develops a mid range or hook he'll either get playing time or leave. A 7 footer who can shoot and wants to play will have a choice of many landing spots when he doesn't have to sit out a year.
Furst would have just as many if not significantly more landing spots if he gets thrust into a backup role his whole career. The new transfer rule is going to make for wild off-seasons every year.
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