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"You lose the right to self defense if you brought the gun"

Boilermaker03

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This was an argument by the prosecution in the Rittenhouse case. Does that mean that any woman that has a concealed carry and uses a gun in self defense when being attacked by a large man is committing murder now simply because they brought the gun?
 
This was an argument by the prosecution in the Rittenhouse case. Does that mean that any woman that has a concealed carry and uses a gun in self defense when being attacked by a large man is committing murder now simply because they brought the gun?
In addition to this, are we allowed to protect ourselves anymore. We are rapidly losing our rights for most everything.

 
In addition to this, are we allowed to protect ourselves anymore. We are rapidly losing our rights for most everything.

This is one of the many reasons why there is a mass exodus from democrat run cities.
 
In addition to this, are we allowed to protect ourselves anymore. We are rapidly losing our rights for most everything.

Yes, I saw that case as well. Old man gets assaulted behind the counter where he works by a young guy so he defends himself with some kind of blade and now he's being charged with murder. The left is literally insane! INSANE!
 
In addition to this, are we allowed to protect ourselves anymore. We are rapidly losing our rights for most everything.

Then you have this story. Protestors break into the property of this couple, so they get their gun and tell the trespassers to leave their property and now the couple is being charged with a felony. For protecting their own property. They didn't even hurt anyone!

 
Then you have this story. Protestors break into the property of this couple, so they get their gun and tell the trespassers to leave their property and now the couple is being charged with a felony. For protecting their own property. They didn't even hurt anyone!

Leftys, libs and dems always give the benefit of the doubt to the perps. They don't believe in personal responsibility or consequences for one's actions. They're the party of "lack of impulse control". After all, most of the people committing these crimes are supposedly oppressed, so the perps get the benefit of the doubt.
 
This was an argument by the prosecution in the Rittenhouse case. Does that mean that any woman that has a concealed carry and uses a gun in self defense when being attacked by a large man is committing murder now simply because they brought the gun?
Some context on that statement might be appropriate.......especially before you go applying it to other random situations.
 
This was an argument by the prosecution in the Rittenhouse case. Does that mean that any woman that has a concealed carry and uses a gun in self defense when being attacked by a large man is committing murder now simply because they brought the gun?
If she brought the gun with her across state lines with the express purpose of confronting that man, then yes. That's murder.
 
Then you have this story. Protestors break into the property of this couple, so they get their gun and tell the trespassers to leave their property and now the couple is being charged with a felony. For protecting their own property. They didn't even hurt anyone!

As usual, y’all twist stuff around to f dry it your narrative. You said that the protesters broke into the property. They did no such thing. They walked down the street in front of their home but not on their property on their way to some specific destination. That is when the couple brandished the gun unlawfully.
 
As usual, y’all twist stuff around to f dry it your narrative. You said that the protesters broke into the property. They did no such thing. They walked down the street in front of their home but not on their property on their way to some specific destination. That is when the couple brandished the gun unlawfully.
Actually it was a private street in a gated community. They broke the gate and trespassed to get onto the property. The street they were “protesting” on was private property. That’s a crime and I would be interested if any of the protesters were prosecuted by the George Soros-funded St. L DA who had refused to prosecute people who actually pull triggers and shoot people yet goes after a couple who did neither with such aggressiveness.
 
As usual, y’all twist stuff around to f dry it your narrative. You said that the protesters broke into the property. They did no such thing. They walked down the street in front of their home but not on their property on their way to some specific destination. That is when the couple brandished the gun unlawfully.
I believe you left out a minor detail; the road was in a gated community, not a public road, and the gate into the community was broken into by the mob.
 
As usual, y’all twist stuff around to f dry it your narrative. You said that the protesters broke into the property. They did no such thing. They walked down the street in front of their home but not on their property on their way to some specific destination. That is when the couple brandished the gun unlawfully.
“Y’all twist stuff around to f dry it your narrative?” The lack of food and water in Bidenville has you hallucinating at this point.
 
Stop getting
If she brought the gun with her across state lines with the express purpose of confronting that man, then yes. That's murder
Stop getting your news from the ladies of The View. If you watched the trial you would know that he did not transport the gun across state lines and multiple video and eye witness accounts show the career convicted pedo chased him.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cbs-corrects-claim-rittenhouse-state-lines-armed

And I love this across state line narrative like he drove 3 hours. You can walk across the state line from Antioch and you can get from Antioch to the Kenosha faster than you can drive across West Lafayette after a football game.
 
Actually it was a private street in a gated community. They broke the gate and trespassed to get onto the property. The street they were “protesting” on was private property. That’s a crime and I would be interested if any of the protesters were prosecuted by the George Soros-funded St. L DA who had refused to prosecute people who actually pull triggers and shoot people yet goes after a couple who did neither with such aggressiveness.
I know all of that. However, the couple don’t own the street they walked down.
 
I know all of that. However, the couple don’t own the street they walked down.
If I'm not mistaken, they didn't point the gun at anyone, fire any warning shots or even come off their porch?

You already know this, but if a loud mob of black people in a racially sensitive area (St. Louis) breaks down the gate to a wealthy, private, predominantly white neighborhood, then people are going to be nervous and probably want to protect themselves. They had no idea whether this mob was doing or what their intentions were. Am I profiling, uh...yeh. It is what it is.
 
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If I'm not mistaken, they didn't point the gun at anyone, fire any warning shots or even come off their porch?

You already know this, but if a loud mob of black people in a racially sensitive area (St. Louis) breaks down the gate to a wealthy, private, predominantly white neighborhood, then people are going to be nervous and probably want to protect themselves. They had no idea whether this mob was doing or what their intentions were. Am I profiling, uh...yeh. It is what it is.
Yep, you are a racist. 1st, you assume that they all were black. A loud mob as you say. You can bet there were several Antifa members in that mob and they are mostly white.

Since you like profiling why don’t you shoot every white kid between the ages of 17 and 25 when they come close to a school or parade.
 
Yep, you are a racist. 1st, you assume that they all were black. A loud mob as you say. You can bet there were several Antifa members in that mob and they are mostly white.

Since you like profiling why don’t you shoot every white kid between the ages of 17 and 25 when they come close to a school or parade.
You’re so lost. Have some pride and stop being so unintelligent. Do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?
 
I know all of that. However, the couple don’t own the street they walked down.
1. Th mob did break into the property. They busted the gate to enter PRIVATE property. That is a crime. How many were prosecuted by the George Soros-funded DA?

2. If they live in a gated community that street is private and communal property for which they pay association fees to maintain.

So I ill try again was the mob breaking the law by busting down the gate and being on that private street? ANd how many were prosecuted for their crime?
 
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Of course the mob busting the gate down broke the law. I’m talking about the private property of the couple. They did not go on their property, their lawn or porch for example. What got the couple in trouble was that they indeed pointed the guns at the protesters. That is also against the law. Even though the street is private property, belong to the association the law still says that you cannot point guns at folks.
 
Yep, you are a racist. 1st, you assume that they all were black. A loud mob as you say. You can bet there were several Antifa members in that mob and they are mostly white.

Since you like profiling why don’t you shoot every white kid between the ages of 17 and 25 when they come close to a school or parade.
You just name called here so you’re calling yourself immature this morning. You’re the ideal Democrat voter and dumber than a speed bump. Good lord it’s hard to read your posts.
 
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Of course the mob busting the gate down broke the law. I’m talking about the private property of the couple. They did not go on their property, their lawn or porch for example. What got the couple in trouble was that they indeed pointed the guns at the protesters. That is also against the law. Even though the street is private property, belong to the association the law still says that you cannot point guns at folks.
PROTESTERS?.....You & your party cant distinguish between protesting & RIOTING.
Keep pushing the attack mentality....the push back is coming.
 
As usual, y’all twist stuff around to f dry it your narrative. You said that the protesters broke into the property. They did no such thing. They walked down the street in front of their home but not on their property on their way to some specific destination. That is when the couple brandished the gun unlawfully.
WRONG. Read the article I linked here. First of all, I never said they broke down the gate. I said they broke in. There's a difference. You can break in to someone's home without "breaking" something.

Now, the protesters were 100% on private property. They weren't just walking down the street. I don't care how you slice it. If the gate was wide open, they still were trespassing.

"Most legal analysts agree that the protesters were trespassing when they entered Portland Place."


You getting your facts so wrong on literally EVERYTHING shows how the media you listen to twists everything around.
 
The argument by the prosecution was one sentence?

Aren't you the guy who has said repeatedly that pulling one sentence out of Trump's call to Raffensberger doesn't accurately reflect the entire call?
Sure, go ahead. Show us the context in which was missing. Please, if you're going to make this argument, then prove it. I always do.
 
WRONG. Read the article I linked here. First of all, I never said they broke down the gate. I said they broke in. There's a difference. You can break in to someone's home without "breaking" something.

Now, the protesters were 100% on private property. They weren't just walking down the street. I don't care how you slice it. If the gate was wide open, they still were trespassing.

"Most legal analysts agree that the protesters were trespassing when they entered Portland Place."


You getting your facts so wrong on literally EVERYTHING shows how the media you listen to twists everything around.
And when he’s proven wrong, he doesn’t care. He’s on to the next lie to believe.
 
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And when he’s proven wrong, he doesn’t care. He’s on to the next lie to believe.
Oh I know, he keeps pushing the voter ID laws were started because of Obama lie so many times it's going on full tard. I've given him the facts about that over and over, but he refuses to listen. Just can't let go of the racism narrative.
 
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Oh I know, he keeps pushing the voter ID laws were started because of Obama lie so many times it's going on full tard. I've given him the facts about that over and over, but he refuses to listen. Just can't let go of the racism narrative.
Yeah, it’s kinda sad that Purdue has somebody associated with it that’s as ignorant and arrogant as him. He does not and will not acknowledge when he’s wrong. Stubborn and stupid.
 
Sure, go ahead. Show us the context in which was missing. Please, if you're going to make this argument, then prove it. I always do.
YOU are starting a thread with a statement with no link whatsoever.......and basing your argument on that statement.

Lol. How about you follow your own advice?

"Please, if you're going to make this argument, then prove it. I always do."

You just DIDN'T.

You haven't even proven the statement you started the thread with is true. You put it in quotes. So what.

You want me to disprove it? You prove it first, then we might see that the prosecutor made more than a one sentence argument in a freakin trial
 
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YOU are starting a thread with a statement with no link whatsoever.......and basing your argument on that statement.

Lol. How about you follow your own advice?

"Please, if you're going to make this argument, then prove it. I always do."

You just DIDN'T.

You haven't even proven the statement you started the thread with is true. You put it in quotes. So what.

You want me to disprove it? You prove it first, then we might see that the prosecutor made more than a one sentence argument in a freakin trial
“You” is used eight times here. YOU have a nice and relaxing Sunday, Bob.
 
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YOU are starting a thread with a statement with no link whatsoever.......and basing your argument on that statement.

Lol. How about you follow your own advice?

"Please, if you're going to make this argument, then prove it. I always do."

You just DIDN'T.

You haven't even proven the statement you started the thread with is true. You put it in quotes. So what.

You want me to disprove it? You prove it first, then we might see that the prosecutor made more than a one sentence argument in a freakin trial
Gotta love the hypocritical brilliance of @BuilderBob6 on a Sunday afternoon
 
PROTESTERS?.....You & your party cant distinguish between protesting & RIOTING.
Keep pushing the attack mentality....the push back is coming.
Your party is the one calling the Jan 6 insurrectionists “tourists”. Another fool said that they stood behind the rope.
 
WRONG. Read the article I linked here. First of all, I never said they broke down the gate. I said they broke in. There's a difference. You can break in to someone's home without "breaking" something.

Now, the protesters were 100% on private property. They weren't just walking down the street. I don't care how you slice it. If the gate was wide open, they still were trespassing.

"Most legal analysts agree that the protesters were trespassing when they entered Portland Place."


You getting your facts so wrong on literally EVERYTHING shows how the media you listen to twists everything around.
If you read my post I never disputed whether walking down the street is private property. I reckon it belongs to the association. The private property I’m talking about is the property the couple owns like their lawn walkway, porch etc. The protestors, rioters, whatever you want to call them did not go up to the house that the couple owns. That is where the couple got into trouble is that you can’t point guns, which they clearly did, at folks according to the local laws. Therefore, take this discussion up with the city, county, or state law makers. Either way, the couple were in the wrong. If they weren’t, they would not have been charged.
 
Your party is the one calling the Jan 6 insurrectionists “tourists”. Another fool said that they stood behind the rope.
By definition, they weren’t insurrectionists but as we all know, you’re unintelligent and like talking to a brick wall. But, brick walls may be able to reason unlike you. Fools don’t admit when they’re proven wrong so you would be the fool here.
 
By definition, they weren’t insurrectionists but as we all know, you’re unintelligent and like talking to a brick wall. But, brick walls may be able to reason unlike you. Fools don’t admit when they’re proven wrong so you would be the fool here.
Were they tourists?
 
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