Y’all want them to put it on the floor and drive

[HUD628]

But I’m pretty tired of it. The next time Loyer has a look from 3 and doesn’t take it I’m going to lose my mind. He should shoot 10 threes every game no matter what. Shoot the god damn ball. And now he’s driving too deep for no chance when he could have a floater or pull up mid range jumper. Heide made 2 of 3 tonight and turned down probably 3 or 4 looks to put it in the floor and end the possession. Braden, maybe shoot one other than when there was a moving screen called. If we’re not going to shoot when we get space then just give it to TKR every time with no other plan.

Oh and it’d be great if we’d stop allowing dunks and layups constantly.

rant over

 

[qazplm]

But I’m pretty tired of it. The next time Loyer has a look from 3 and doesn’t take it I’m going to lose my mind. He should shoot 10 threes every game no matter what. Shoot the god damn ball. And now he’s driving too deep for no chance when he could have a floater or pull up mid range jumper. Heide made 2 of 3 tonight and turned down probably 3 or 4 looks to put it in the floor and end the possession. Braden, maybe shoot one other than when there was a moving screen called. If we’re not going to shoot when we get space then just give it to TKR every time with no other plan.

Oh and it’d be great if we’d stop allowing dunks and layups constantly.

rant over

Loyer definitely turns down way too many decent looks for someone who is a great shooter in favor of lower percentage drives.

Heide and Colvin also definitely seem more skittish to shoot unless absolutely wide open.
We need a confidence injection right now.

 

[HUD628]

Loyer definitely turns down way too many decent looks for someone who is a great shooter in favor of lower percentage drives.

Heide and Colvin also definitely seem more skittish to shoot unless absolutely wide open.
We need a confidence injection right now.

Loyer is driving me insane. He’s got to shoot the ball. I don’t get it at all for a guy who is a great shooter and does not lack for confidence. He needs to get more selfish.

Colvin never turns down a look lol. Heide tonight did and it hurt the team.

 

[BoilerMaker P]

It doesn’t seem like they run many sets for Loyer (or anybody for that matter), trying to run him off screens and get him open looks or rhythm 3s. When was the last time Purdue got a transition 3? The offense has become very stagnant, predictable, and defensible.

 

[Boiler8285]

Loyer is driving me insane. He’s got to shoot the ball. I don’t get it at all for a guy who is a great shooter and does not lack for confidence. He needs to get more selfish.

Colvin never turns down a look lol. Heide tonight did and it hurt the team.

Loyer has to take shots and score because his defense sucks and the whole league knows it.

 

[HUD628]

Loyer has to take shots and score because his defense sucks and the whole league knows it.

Well that’s a fun narrative, let’s go with it. He definitely didn’t cause any turnovers tonight (he did) and it was definitely his fault that they had roughly 65 alley oop dunks (it wasn’t)

He needs to shoot.

 

[qazplm]

Well that’s a fun narrative, let’s go with it. He definitely didn’t cause any turnovers tonight (he did) and it was definitely his fault that they had roughly 65 alley oop dunks (it wasn’t)

He needs to shoot.

I mean his defense isn't amazing. But usually what he gives on offense is well worth it. Tonight it was not.

 

[HUD628]

I mean his defense isn't amazing. But usually what he gives on offense is well worth it. Tonight it was not.

Of course he’s not amazing on defense. But he’s not as bad as folks like to think and certainly tonight is not a night to start railing on that. I mean come on.

 

[qazplm]

Of course he’s not amazing on defense. But he’s not as bad as folks like to think and certainly tonight is not a night to start railing on that. I mean come on.

He was pretty bad tonight. But I think the point is fair that if he's going to not be aggressive on offense it emphasizes his issues on defense.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Loyer is driving me insane. He’s got to shoot the ball. I don’t get it at all for a guy who is a great shooter and does not lack for confidence. He needs to get more selfish.

Colvin never turns down a look lol. Heide tonight did and it hurt the team.

Heide could have missed those shots very easily, and that too would have hurt the team.

 

[qazplm]

Heide could have missed those shots very easily, and that too would have hurt the team.

Heide isn't a key starter who we rely on for scoring.

 

[Poprudy]

But I’m pretty tired of it. The next time Loyer has a look from 3 and doesn’t take it I’m going to lose my mind. He should shoot 10 threes every game no matter what. Shoot the god damn ball. And now he’s driving too deep for no chance when he could have a floater or pull up mid range jumper. Heide made 2 of 3 tonight and turned down probably 3 or 4 looks to put it in the floor and end the possession. Braden, maybe shoot one other than when there was a moving screen called. If we’re not going to shoot when we get space then just give it to TKR every time with no other plan.

Oh and it’d be great if we’d stop allowing dunks and layups constantly.

rant over

Personally, when you don't have guards that drive through contact vs driving to get contact is where we are.

Loyer drives to get to that mid block vs a lane to score.....he's just not a great dribbler and/or powerful enough to get there.

Teams have figured out to play Smith aggressive to limit our sets. We just don't have multiple guards to get to that lane and/or create without needing a set. We are just limited even with CMP's offensive mind.

We don't have ZE anymore. Those open 3's are being aggressively guarded now. We are very small in many categories on the floor when TKR is playing the 5.

 

[typeviic]

Best players on Wisconsin from the portal best players on Michigan from the portal. Look where they’re at

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Best players on Wisconsin from the portal best players on Michigan from the portal. Look where they’re at

I get what you’re saying but …

Wisconsins BEST player is from the portal and rest are recruits or guys who have been in the system for 2+ years.

Michigan had to put a whole new team together.

Sparty had one portal guy and he’s the 7th best.

Point still stands though, we need portal help and need to go all in next year

 

[DrEss]

IMHO, being loyal is admirable, but not blindly or to a fault.

Without Zach’s size and overall TALENT, the areas of need within the rest of the team (current starters and bench) are clearly evident to me, and most certainly, to opposing coaches.

This team needs much more than DJ’s rim protection, unless he also possesses Zach’s overall skills that enabled him to be an NBA 1st rounder. And the hindsight, the error with KC was getting him to commit in the first place, rather than getting a more mature, portal need. KC dropped in a whopping zero points vs Kansas last night in BYU’s romp.

Hopefully our coaching staff are starting to see these needs, and come to the realization that “just improving what Purdue does”, is currently not nearly enough. We need longer, taller, athletes that can best complement our two stars, like the kind everyone else seems to be getting. Time for us to get on board with this.

 

[Fugs]

They are already driving.
Driving me crazy. 😉

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

IMHO, being loyal is admirable, but not blindly or to a fault.

Without Zach’s size and overall TALENT, the areas of need within the rest of the team (current starters and bench) are clearly evident to me, and most certainly, to opposing coaches.

This team needs much more than DJ’s rim protection, unless he also possesses Zach’s overall skills that enabled him to be an NBA 1st rounder. And the hindsight error with KC was getting him to commit in the first place, rather than getting a more mature, portal need. KC dropped in a whopping zero points vs Kansas last night in BYU’s romp.

Hopefully our coaching staff are starting to see these needs, and come to the realization that “just improving what Purdue does”, is currently not nearly enough. We need longer, taller, athletes that can best complement our two stars, like the kind everyone else seems to be getting. Time for us to get on board with this.

He played 2 min on no shots and a rebound. Did not watch the game, but that’s crazy he didn’t get more run.

Side note: is Self not actually that good when it’s a level playing field with NIL and the ability for teams to have new transfers annually?

 

[DrEss]

He played 2 min on no shots and a rebound. Did not watch the game, but that’s crazy he didn’t get more run.

Side note: is Self not actually that good when it’s a level playing field with NIL and the ability for teams to have new transfers annually?

Self may be slipping. As ineffective as Storr was with Wisky last season, it was a head scratcher when Kansas scooped him up this offseason.

 

[PaBoiler78]

He was pretty bad tonight. But I think the point is fair that if he's going to not be aggressive on offense it emphasizes his issues on defense.

the thing w/ him is we have to get 15 from him because the guy opposite from him scores 15

 

[qazplm]

Personally, when you don't have guards that drive through contact vs driving to get contact is where we are.

Loyer drives to get to that mid block vs a lane to score.....he's just not a great dribbler and/or powerful enough to get there.

Teams have figured out to play Smith aggressive to limit our sets. We just don't have multiple guards to get to that lane and/or create without needing a set. We are just limited even with CMP's offensive mind.

We don't have ZE anymore. Those open 3's are being aggressively guarded now. We are very small in many categories on the floor when TKR is playing the 5.

Loyer is actually one of our better drivers.

My issue is he turns down too many open enough threes for drives where he takes a much more contested shot or he tries to hard to draw fouls and the refs don't seem to give him much benefit of the doubt.

 

[Poprudy]

Loyer is actually one of our better drivers.

My issue is he turns down too many open enough threes for drives where he takes a much more contested shot or he tries to hard to draw fouls and the refs don't seem to give him much benefit of the doubt.

Loyer seems to drive for contact instead of driving the lane, through contact and full intention to score. He's just not strong enough to be that guy.

He tends to flop around, looking for fouls vs. I'm coming at you to score and you can't do anything about it.....gritty.

 

[Poprudy]

Loyer is actually one of our better drivers.

My issue is he turns down too many open enough threes for drives where he takes a much more contested shot or he tries to hard to draw fouls and the refs don't seem to give him much benefit of the doubt.

Also, that's probably not saying much for our team. Most don't see him as that, but a shooter.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Loyer is actually one of our better drivers.

My issue is he turns down too many open enough threes for drives where he takes a much more contested shot or he tries to hard to draw fouls and the refs don't seem to give him much benefit of the doubt.

Need to get Loyer 250+ 3PA that cline had his senior year.

We don’t run action to get smith, Loyer, cox, Harris, Colvin and Heide wide open shots consistently. I don’t get why.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Also, that's probably not saying much for our team. Most don't see him as that, but a shooter.

They should check the stats again then!

 

[Poprudy]

They should check the stats again then!

Do you have a stat that shows his points in the paint vs points from outside the paint? Maybe, I'm missing something. I've never seen him play 'bully' ball. He also tends to lose the ball while driving because he's not a very strong dribbler and/or have strong hands. I'm assuming he shoots more 3's then 2's??

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Do you have a stat that shows his points in the paint vs points from outside the paint? Maybe, I'm missing something. I've never seen him play 'bully' ball. He also tends to lose the ball while driving because he's not a very strong dribbler and/or have strong hands. I'm assuming he shoots more 3's then 2's??

Don’t have to play bully ball, but I understand what you mean.

Don’t have paint vs jump shots (have to go find that), but here is a breakdown of the last 3 years for 2s, 3s and FTs (he’s played in 27 games vs 39 and 35).

24-25 -> 63/133 from 2 (47%), 55/120 from 3 (45.8%) and 78/91 from FT (85.7%)

23-24 -> 63/161 from 2 (39%), 63/142 from 3 (44.4%) and 87/101 from FT (86%)

22-23 -> 65/157 from 2 (41%), 59/181 from 3 (32.6%) and 77/97 from FT (79.4%)

 

[Poprudy]

Don’t have to play bully ball, but I understand what you mean.

Don’t have paint vs jump shots (have to go find that), but here is a breakdown of the last 3 years for 2s, 3s and FTs (he’s played in 27 games vs 39 and 35).

24-25 -> 63/133 from 2 (47%), 55/120 from 3 (45.8%) and 78/91 from FT (85.7%)

23-24 -> 63/161 from 2 (39%), 63/142 from 3 (44.4%) and 87/101 from FT (86%)

22-23 -> 65/157 from 2 (41%), 59/181 from 3 (32.6%) and 77/97 from FT (79.4%)

Thanks for the info.

 

[Boileratthebeach]

Best players on Wisconsin from the portal best players on Michigan from the portal. Look where they’re at

But for how long and how sustainable and how consistent can a team be? And how many other teams employed this strategy but aren’t seeing the same level of success? I’d actually be curious to see that…

 

[PaBoiler78]

Need to get Loyer 250+ 3PA that cline had his senior year.

We don’t run action to get smith, Loyer, cox, Harris, Colvin and Heide wide open shots consistently. I don’t get it

esp when you hear the announcers always stating that Paint has a really big playbook

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

esp when you hear the announcers always stating that Paint has a really big playbook

Yeah I’m waiting to see all these plays. Unless it’s like UConn’s offense last year where every player reacted to how the defense played them (which I wish we would have used)

 

[Boiler Buck]

Oh and it’d be great if we’d stop allowing dunks and layups constantly.

Our 2 PT D got to be one of the worst in the upper tier teams in B10.

Prob overreacting, but without looking it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't close to the bottom tier.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Our 2 PT D got to be one of the worst in the upper tier teams in B10.

Prob overreacting, but without looking it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't close to the bottom tier.

Purdue is 329th at 55.5%, which is second to last in the conference to Iowa's 56.3% (340th). Illinois leads the conference (10th overall) at 44.6%. Those are in all regular season games. By the way, Purdue is 35th overall in 3-pt FG percentage defense (.308).

Have to look closer at conference only stats - Purdue is 11th overall in the conference for total FG % defense at .463. 4th (tie with Maryland), .316 in 3pt FG % defense, so they'll be toward the bottom in 2-pt % defense.

When Purdue is not forcing turnovers and/or struggling to manage the glass, it's been a problem. Painter's consistent theme lately has been "We have to guard the basketball better......when you get behind, you're going to foul more and you're not in good rebound balance."

I expect Indiana to test that early this weekend.....and try to get in the paint. We shall see.

Boilers are doing some things well, but they also have some deficiencies, which the better teams are exploiting. Also, and this is true for all the conference teams - it's a different dynamic now when there are 14 single play match-ups with several at the end of the season.....preparation and rest balance can be challenging.

Trey Kaufman-Renn leads the conference in scoring and is 3rd in offensive rebounding.

Braden Smith leads in assists and steals, second in assist/TO ratio, and is 3rd in minutes played (Martinelli and Thornton).

Fletcher Loyer is 6th in 3-pt FG percentage.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Purdue is 329th at 55.5%, which is second to last in the conference to Iowa's 56.3% (340th). Illinois leads the conference (10th overall) at 44.6%. Those are in all regular season games. By the way, Purdue is 35th overall in 3-pt FG percentage defense (.308).

Have to look closer at conference only stats - Purdue is 11th overall in the conference for total FG % defense at .463. 4th (tie with Maryland), .316 in 3pt FG % defense, so they'll be toward the bottom in 2-pt % defense.

When Purdue is not forcing turnovers and/or struggling to manage the glass, it's been a problem. Painter's consistent theme lately has been "We have to guard the basketball better......when you get behind, you're going to foul more and you're not in good rebound balance."

I expect Indiana to test that early this weekend.....and try to get in the paint. We shall see.

Boilers are doing some things well, but they also have some deficiencies, which the better teams are exploiting. Also, and this is true for all the conference teams - it's a different dynamic now when there are 14 single play match-ups with several at the end of the season.....preparation and rest balance can be challenging.

Trey Kaufman-Renn leads the conference in scoring and is 3rd in offensive rebounding.

Braden Smith leads in assists and steals, second in assist/TO ratio, and is 3rd in minutes played (Martinelli and Thornton).

Fletcher Loyer is 6th in 3-pt FG percentage.

You forgot Braden is 8 assists away from
Breaking the Purdue all time record!

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

You forgot Braden is 8 assists away from
Breaking the Purdue all time record!

I am already on double secret probation for jinx activity, Dwayne.

 

[tjreese]

But I’m pretty tired of it. The next time Loyer has a look from 3 and doesn’t take it I’m going to lose my mind. He should shoot 10 threes every game no matter what. Shoot the god damn ball. And now he’s driving too deep for no chance when he could have a floater or pull up mid range jumper. Heide made 2 of 3 tonight and turned down probably 3 or 4 looks to put it in the floor and end the possession. Braden, maybe shoot one other than when there was a moving screen called. If we’re not going to shoot when we get space then just give it to TKR every time with no other plan.

Oh and it’d be great if we’d stop allowing dunks and layups constantly.

rant over

They have passed up some good looks for certain. Fletch was hopeful for a whistle that never happened. BTW, Cam also easily drove the ball into the lane...something many didn't think was possible. Myles passed up some looks as well. Sometimes "analytics" differs from what you see as you recant problems that may be due to analytics...which deals with previous data and averages which may or may not represent what takes place in a given game.

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

Self may be slipping. As ineffective as Storr was with Wisky last season, it was a head scratcher when Kansas scooped him up this offseason.

Storr at least averaged 17ppg and shot 32% from 3. This year he's averaged 6ppg and shooting 28% from 3. He's been terrible. He was way more reliable at Wisconsin. Clearly, Wisconsin isn't missing him or Chucky.