Would Painter do this

[nagemj02]

...for a grad transfer prospect?:

http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/...017-05-24/update-alstork-illinois-assist.html

I do understand that playing with a former UI player (Mike LaTulip) helped steer Mark Alstork towards the Illini, but even still, do you believe Painter and Steve Lutz (or Greg Gary) would do what Brad Underwood and his assistant did?:

"...The Illinois coaching staff took it from there. Brad Underwood and Chin Coleman met Alstork at the gate when his plane arrived in Savoy — something Alstork said created a positive first impression of the Illini. A cookie cake and that day’s News-Gazette sports section, with information about Alstork’s visit on the front page, were waiting for him at his hotel, which he said was a surprise. “It was comfortable for me,” he said. “The coaching staff was great. The environment was great. They did a great job of knowing who I was, knowing my capabilities...”


Cam Johnson (Pittsburgh) and MiKyle McIntosh (Illinois State) are still available. Will Painter and staff pursue and then possibly welcome them with the same kind of thoughtfulness that Underwood and Coleman did for Alstork?

 

[ChoiceBeef]

When I saw the title of this post my initial reaction was we were getting ready to read your thesis on zone defense.

 

[BoiledSteel]

When I saw the title of this post my initial reaction was we were getting ready to read your thesis on zone defense.

It's of the same agenda from nag. He takes any opportunity he can to complain about CMP.

Now it's because he doesn't give potential recruits a cake.

 

[FirstDownB]

I think the question is what are the circumstances that lead a coach to rolling out the red carpet for a MAC grad transfer. Illinois is down to 9 scholarship players after losing Coleman-Lands and DJ Williams and Tilmon and Pickett decommitting. I don't know anything about Alstork or the other two guys, but IMO they are probably not better than what we already have. Best move is to bank the scholly for 2018 at this point. This team has enough depth that would probably scare off most transfers who are looking for immediate playing time, anyway.
Maybe what you're getting at is that putting on the knee pads and chap stick for recruits is not Painter's style. Perhaps that is true, but I would say his style has been successful on the grad transfer market when there is a hole to be filled on the roster.

 

[Dryfly88]

Whatever it takes. Obviously it made an impression on this particular recruit. Some kids would care about this others wouldn't. I've said before, recruiting is a skill. Some coaches are better at it than others. It is a skill that CMP needs to get better at. I think he is and we will really see with the 2018 class.

Part of recruiting is reading a kid and knowing what is important to him. I don't think that we were even after this kid but if we were I hope that CMP and his staff would be in tune with what was important to him and recruit accordingly.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

I like cake.

 

[Boiler Buck]

"...The Illinois coaching staff took it from there. Brad Underwood and Chin Coleman met Alstork at the gate when his plane arrived in Savoy — something Alstork said created a positive first impression of the Illini. A cookie cake and that day’s News-Gazette sports section, with information about Alstork’s visit on the front page, were waiting for him at his hotel, which he said was a surprise. “It was comfortable for me,” he said. “The coaching staff was great. The environment was great. They did a great job of knowing who I was, knowing my capabilities...”

Above....That is just good recruiting no matter the player.

How do you know CMP's staff IS NOT doing things like this??

 

[Do Dah Day]

Every kid who visit (both football, basketball, and baseball) gets a personalized package ... generally waiting for him in his hotel room. There are some very interesting NCAA rules about what can be on the cake/cookies/whatever. I would need to read those rules to remember, but it seems that it can promote the school, but not the individual player. When I read them a few years ago, they were very weird. Every kid is wined and dined from the gate to meeting the coaches, to dinners, to meeting the "team," to campus tour guide (yes, generally attractive girls), to parents being taken care of if they come with.

It really does bother me that there are all these posts with innuendo that PU does not do things "as well" as other schools. Maybe everyone who posts this CRAP should invest their time in hanging around Mackey or Mollenkopf for a couple of days and see how much effort and how many people are investing their time in treating visiting recruits well.

Of course, there are some schools (Louisville) who do provide additional benefits to visiting recruits.

 

[Do Dah Day]

My point is that PU does not lose a recruit based on lack of effort or less wining and dining than other schools. To nit-pick to that accusation is just WRONG. There are a dozen reasons a recruit may make a choice not to attend PU, but it is not because he felt unimportant or ignored on his visit(s).

 

[Do Dah Day]

NCAA bylaw 13.6.7.9, governing activities during official visits.

An institution may not arrange miscellaneous, personalized recruiting aids (e.g., personalized jerseys, personalized audio/video scoreboard presentations) and may not permit a prospective student-athlete to engage in any game-day simulations (e.g., running onto the field with the team during pregame introductions) during an official visit. Personalized recruiting aids include any decorative items and special additions to any location the prospective student-athlete will visit (e.g., hotel room, locker room, coach's offices, conference room, arena) regardless of whether the items include the prospective student-athlete's name or picture.

 

[Do Dah Day]

South Carolina was called-out about icing on a cake -- Lots of talk about cookie cake icing – NCAA talked with SEC & USC - all now agree it’s not a concern & will not be processed as a violation

It's kind of a stretch to see how this prohibition would extend to baked goods, iced or no. The only phrase that seems like it might possibly apply is "decorative items and special additions." It's a turn of phrase so ill-considered that it makes one shudder to think how great an impact these rules can have on the lives of student-athletes.

Of course, it was unlikely that any severe punishment was ever going to come of this. Still, it's good to see the NCAA show a rare sense of awareness regarding the mood of the public.

Noticing how much attention this story was getting, Great American Cookies® cleverly thought to send the NCAA® a dozen cookies thanking the NCAA "for listening to its sweet tooth."

 

[Do Dah Day]

Here's some additional info that may be of interest to some:
If you're at a tournament and the coach does not talk to you, don’t take it personally. The National Collegiate Athletic Association has specific recruiting rules that puts limits on communication at tournaments.

A college coach can sit down with a guardian or parent at a competition site. This is counted as one of the three in-person off-campus recruiting contacts a coach is permitted.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Of course, there are some schools (Louisville) who do provide additional benefits to visiting recruits.

VBG

 

[TC4THREE]

Would you ask a stupid question?

 

[burbo]

Trying to tie 2-3 points together from this thread, but attractive tour guides are mentioned as well as restrictions on icing on cakes/cookies. That wouldn't necessarily preclude whipped crime bikinis in this ruling?

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Trying to tie 2-3 points together from this thread, but attractive tour guides are mentioned as well as restrictions on icing on cakes/cookies. That wouldn't necessarily preclude whipped crime bikinis in this ruling?

Bingo. Also we should pay players with BitCoin. It technically isn't illegal since it can't be traced.

 

[nagemj02]

Above....That is just good recruiting no matter the player.

How do you know CMP's staff IS NOT doing things like this??

I don't. That's why I asked the question.

 

[nagemj02]

Every kid who visit (both football, basketball, and baseball) gets a personalized package ... generally waiting for him in his hotel room. There are some very interesting NCAA rules about what can be on the cake/cookies/whatever. I would need to read those rules to remember, but it seems that it can promote the school, but not the individual player. When I read them a few years ago, they were very weird. Every kid is wined and dined from the gate to meeting the coaches, to dinners, to meeting the "team," to campus tour guide (yes, generally attractive girls), to parents being taken care of if they come with.

It really does bother me that there are all these posts with innuendo that PU does not do things "as well" as other schools. Maybe everyone who posts this CRAP should invest their time in hanging around Mackey or Mollenkopf for a couple of days and see how much effort and how many people are investing their time in treating visiting recruits well.

Of course, there are some schools (Louisville) who do provide additional benefits to visiting recruits.

It's not innuendo. I'm asking a legit question. You seem a touch defensive on this matter.

 

[Roeder]

My point is that PU does not lose a recruit based on lack of effort or less wining and dining than other schools. To nit-pick to that accusation is just WRONG. There are a dozen reasons a recruit may make a choice not to attend PU, but it is not because he felt unimportant or ignored on his visit(s).

Exactly, I've read about Purdue doing things like this in the past for recruits. They made Felipe Haase his favorite meal of cow tongue or something crazy like that on his visit last fall if I remember correctly.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Exactly, I've read about Purdue doing things like this in the past for recruits. They made Felipe Haase his favorite meal of cow tongue or something crazy like that on his visit last fall if I remember correctly.

Yep, but Nag would have been happier if a cow tongue cake had been presented.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

It's not innuendo. I'm asking a legit question. You seem a touch defensive on this matter.

I read the op the same way that Do Dah Day read it. One of the challenges of text posts is that tone is easily misinterpreted because of the lack of non-verbal cues, so with your posting history, a post like yours is going to be read as implying that Painter isn't working as hard as Underwood or is out of touch with the basics of recruiting.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Bingo. Also we should pay players with BitCoin. It technically isn't illegal since it can't be traced.

this is actually not the worst idea...

 

[Do Dah Day]

It's not innuendo. I'm asking a legit question. You seem a touch defensive on this matter.

I am defensive. You take every opportunity to check-on how poorly our staff does anything and everything - without knowing. Your post was clearly hoping that our staff didn't treat on-campus recruits as well as Illinois treated that kid. You feed off negativity.

I'm defensive because I see how hard our staff works, how much energy and effort they put into their jobs, how late they are in their offices. I like them, I respect them ... your endless picking at them does make my hackles go up ... and I will defend them.

 

[BoiledSteel]

You seem a touch defensive on this matter.

You do see the irony from you posting that right?

 

[Dakota Girl]

VBG

I think THOSE benefits pop out of a cake.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I think THOSE benefits pop out of a cake.

or "deliver" telegrams.

 

[icewind7]

If you want to learn how to excel in recruiting, you have to have certain type of personality. It's not like something you can really copy or learn.

By the way, most of the time, effort is meaningless, but results always speak. Cows work hard on a farm, so what.

 

[BoiledSteel]

By the way, most of the time, effort is meaningless, but results always speak. Cows work hard on a farm, so what.

What a ridiculous thing to say. You don't get good results without effort.

 

[icewind7]

What I meant was: effort doesn't count if you don't get good results.

 

[Do Dah Day]

By the way, most of the time, effort is meaningless, but results always speak. Cows work hard on a farm, so what.

I've watched a lot of cows on farms - never seen one do more than wander around and eat. Sometimes the black and white ones go into a stall and get milked. Sometimes when a storm's coming, they lie down.

And this thread started as being about whether Painter would put out the effort as Illinois did. No results were mentioned. I addressed the effort aspect.

 

[TC4THREE]

I don't. That's why I asked the question.

If you don't know it's either because you've conveniently missed dozens of stories that have come out over the years or you're deliberately ignoring them.

 

[BoiledSteel]

deliberately ignoring them.

When it comes to nag, this is probably more accurate.

 

[Statey]

The short answer is "no", I highly doubt Painter would do something that extravagant in recruiting. That's not his style. However, it's not a lot of other coaches' style either. Do coaches of top end basketball schools do this? No. In fact, I think a pretty good argument could be made that it's a reflection of desperation on the part of a coach that would take a cake with him and meet a kid on the tarmac. And - go figure - Illinois is actually in a state of desperation right now after multiple unplanned departures.

 

[nagemj02]

The short answer is "no", I highly doubt Painter would do something that extravagant in recruiting. That's not his style. However, it's not a lot of other coaches' style either. Do coaches of top end basketball schools do this? No. In fact, I think a pretty good argument could be made that it's a reflection of desperation on the part of a coach that would take a cake with him and meet a kid on the tarmac. And - go figure - Illinois is actually in a state of desperation right now after multiple unplanned departures.

Maybe it was desperation but the bottom line is that it worked. Illinois' newcomers for 2017 are arguably more talented overall than Purdue's newcomers for 2017.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Maybe it was desperation but the bottom line is that it worked. Illinois' newcomers for 2017 are arguably more talented overall than Purdue's newcomers for 2017.

Perhaps you should volunteer your cookie baking skills to push recruits in our favor.

 

[BoilerBF]

Maybe it was desperation but the bottom line is that it worked. Illinois' newcomers for 2017 are arguably more talented overall than Purdue's newcomers for 2017.

I've been hearing about "how talented" Illinois incoming recruits are for the last decade. They've been to 3 NCAA tournaments in the last 10 years.

Since it isn't Purdue....I am sure you are probably impressed with 3 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years for Illinois.

 

[dumpsterFyre]

CMP got Biggie a private chef... even if cakes were not on his diet.

 

[mathboy]

I've been hearing about "how talented" Illinois incoming recruits are for the last decade. They've been to 3 NCAA tournaments in the last 10 years.

Since it isn't Purdue....I am sure you are probably impressed with 3 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years for Illinois.

247 sports says we have the best class in the BIG for 2017. Illinois is ranked as 3rd. They bring in 3 guards, 2 ranked as 4* and one ranked as 3*. We bring in size like nobody else, and we have 2 4-star and 3 3-star players in our 2017 class.

I might note that beat out MSU for one of our 2017 players. Gee whiz, what's wrong with Izzo?

 

[SIBoiler2]

247 sports says we have the best class in the BIG for 2017. Illinois is ranked as 3rd. They bring in 3 guards, 2 ranked as 4* and one ranked as 3*. We bring in size like nobody else, and we have 2 4-star and 3 3-star players in our 2017 class.

I might note that beat out MSU for one of our 2017 players. Gee whiz, what's wrong with Izzo?

Since this source does not put us at the bottom of þhe B1G this is a good example of fake news.

 

[BoiledSteel]

247 sports says we have the best class in the BIG for 2017.

Nag was wrong? I am shocked to have learned this /s