Will Painter Change Anything Next Year?

[SCBoiler1]

Question: Does Purdue need to change their offense or defensive scheme, or do they simply need to do what they do better?

Folks on here seem to be pretty happy with this year's results but this team was probably Purdue's second or third worst team (by the numbers) in the last 10 years.

Purdue had it's second lowest B1G winning percentage in the last ten years, tied for the second lowest finish in the B1G and had the second most losses of any Purdue Team in the last 10 years. These numbers tell me a couple things. First, Purdue has been consistently good the last 10 years. Secondly, we probably weren't as good as we'd hoped.

People seem to forget Purdue lost 6 of their last 9 games before beating High Point and McNeese St. These two wins aren't really that impressive to me, however, giving Houston all it could handle does provide reason for optimism.

So I go back to my original question. Does Purdue need to keep doing what they are doing and do it better or does Painter need to take a different approach?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Question: Does Purdue need to change their offense or defensive scheme, or do they simply need to do what they do better?

We were missing a rim protector, so it’ll be diff with DJ out there. BUT with that said, we will need to be a LOT better on defense and be more consistent on that side of the ball. If we can play like we did vs Houston every night, while rebounding a bit better, we will be tough. Offensively, I’d like to see doing more than just the PnR with Braden, but we will see there.

Folks on here seem to be pretty happy with this year's results but this team was probably Purdue's second or third worst team (by the numbers) in the last 10 years.

Well, we just lost the NPOTY x2, plus Lance and Gillis. Then lost our 7’4 rim protector 2 games in and lost a key recruit right before practice started. With being a possession or two away from an elite 8 and a potential final 4 again, I’d say it as a good outcome.

Purdue had its second lowest B1G winning percentage in the last ten years, tied for the second lowest finish in the B1G and had the second most losses of any Purdue Team in the last 10 years. These numbers tell me a couple things. First, Purdue has been consistently good the last 10 years. Secondly, we probably weren't as good as we'd hoped.

We were one game back from 2nd place and at one point were leading the B1G and controlled our on own destiny. Some calls didn’t go our way here and there, nor did we hit some shots—it happens. But the B1G was there for the taking and we had a bad stretch. Considering that and what I said above, I think it was a defense season.

People seem to forget Purdue lost 6 of their last 9 games before beating High Point and McNeese St. These two wins aren't really that impressive to me, however, giving Houston all it could handle does provide reason for optimism.

no one forgets the last part of the season a en how band we looked haha

Team responded beautifully in the tournament though.

So I go back to my original question. Does Purdue need to keep doing what they are doing and do it better or does Painter need to take a different approach?

I am guessing they will tweak a few things and hopefully turn it up on defense

 

[BBG]

It was a rebuilding year that was due to have ups and downs. Making a S16 considering we lost basically 6important pieces (Zach, Lance, Gillis, Morton,Dj, Catchings) is most certainly impressive.

What was missing across those losses was bench support which showed up in the tourney.. We have some folks on the bench with a ton of talent and assuming everyone is healthy, it could be a special year. It worked.. you tweak it, but there isn't a reason for dramatic change.

 

[SCBoiler1]

sWe were missing a rim protector, so it’ll be diff with DJ out there. BUT with that said, we will need to be a LOT better on defense and be more consistent on that side of the ball. If we can play like we did vs Houston every night, while rebounding a bit better, we will be tough. Offensively, I’d like to see doing more than just the PnR with Braden, but we will see there.

Well, we just lost the NPOTY x2, plus Lance and Gillis. Then lost our 7’4 rim protector 2 games in and lost a key recruit right before practice started. With being a possession or two away from an elite 8 and a potential final 4 again, I’d say it as a good outcome.

We were one game back from 2nd place and at one point were leading the B1G and controlled our on own destiny. Some calls didn’t go our way here and there, nor did we hit some shots—it happens. But the B1G was there for the taking and we had a bad stretch. Considering that and what I said above, I think it was a defense season.

no one forgets the last part of the season a en how band we looked haha

Team responded beautifully in the tournament though.

I am guessing they will tweak a few things and hopefully turn it up on defense

I agree with most of what you're saying, but Purdue basketball has historically been "the Team is better than the sum of the parts".

This year's Team had the B1G player of the year and another B1G first teamer. Loyer is a solid third option and in my view our 4 through 8 guys are pretty comparable to the 4-8 guys throughout the league. Yet we ended up the 6th seed in the B1G tournament?

Is it just the absence of a rim protector? Is the answer in DJ? Maybe.........

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Losing our center after 1 game sure did not help, in addition during the losing streak our bench did not help much. This year we could not overcome when Heide and Colvin could not score in close games. Lost another big with shin splints. Considering we tied for fourth and while losing a starter and another big, I would say it was a successful year and if the zebra calls the push off on Braden on Houston's next to last possession maybe Purdue might be in the Final Four and still playing!

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I agree with most of what you're saying, but Purdue basketball has historically been "the Team is better than the sum of the parts".

This year's Team had the B1G player of the year and another B1G first teamer. Loyer is a solid third option and in my view our 4 through 8 guys are pretty comparable to the 4-8 guys throughout the league. Yet we ended up the 6th seed in the B1G tournament?

Is it just the absence of a rim protector? Is the answer in DJ? Maybe.........

Yes. And we were tied for 4th. One game from second place.

You can have the BTPOTY and another first teamer when the rest aren’t as good…our Frosh came a long way and are going to be really good next year. Colvin a mind Heide hit their stride mid Feb and played their best ball from then.

We are so used to winning games from November through the end of February for the last 5 years, we forgot how rare that is.

We were a possession or two away from a 3rd E8 in 5 years. Rebounding would have really helped us, hence a rim protector/rebounder.

 

[Poprudy]

Yes. And we were tied for 4th. One game from second place.

You can have the BTPOTY and another first teamer when the rest aren’t as good…our Frosh came a long way and are going to be really good next year. Colvin a mind Heide hit their stride mid Feb and played their best ball from then.

We are so used to winning games from November through the end of February for the last 5 years, we forgot how rare that is.

We were a possession or two away from a 3rd E8 in 5 years. Rebounding would have really helped us, hence a rim protector/rebounder.

or an off Houston player call (gave them 3 pointer on the next play) and/or a push-off that would have given Purdue the ball and instead we know the ending.

I'm not totally blaming the refs at the end of this game, but you are right. We were that close to another potential E8 or F4. We are a team that is in the conversation every year. We as fans should appreciate what CMP has provided Purdue.

 

[Gman544]

No. Nothing of substance. We should know that by now. That's not a criticism, he is a successful coach. But he is not someone who changes what he does.

 

[Wolegib]

I believe he will change his tie! Maybe a bow tie for next year!

Actually there were reports from fans that Painter actually used a GASP zone defense a couple of times this year. He may incorporate it as a potential option a little more often in the future.

If Cluff arrives, he may use Cluff at the center position on defense and move tkr and Jacobsen out to the 4.

I’m beginning to speculate Jacobsen may end up playing more at the 4 than the 5. And dreams of big ball replacing small ball with Cluff, Tkr and Jacobsen all playing at the same time. If you look back about 3-4 years, I had dreams of TKR playing the three. That could sure create some mismatches

 

[qazplm]

The problems this year were primarily tied to personnel issues. Adding DJ, a portal big and IMO a Lance Jones type guard solves that problem. Gives us a team able to weather down nights, foul trouble and fatigue.

 

[*4purdue*]

I agree with most of what you're saying, but Purdue basketball has historically been "the Team is better than the sum of the parts".

This year's Team had the B1G player of the year and another B1G first teamer. Loyer is a solid third option and in my view our 4 through 8 guys are pretty comparable to the 4-8 guys throughout the league. Yet we ended up the 6th seed in the B1G tournament?

Is it just the absence of a rim protector? Is the answer in DJ? Maybe.........

I think this team needs to distribute the ball more. We need another consistent scorer. Loyer really wasn't that. He was good at times, but also had many games where he was putting up very low numbers. We can't be next level if Braden & TKR are taking 75% of the shots. They will both wear down, which is why I think we finished 6th. In league play, if you have a weakness, the coaching is so good that teams will figure it out & exploit it. That being said, defense was horrible second half of the B1G & that needs to resemble more of what we were in the Houston game (barring the final defensive possession).

 

[JerseyBoiler]

A healthy DJ and a reliable backup for both DJ and TKR changes everything. DJ will be a rim protector (we've seen his potential). Fouls on our forwards will be less of an issue. This all means our guards can go out closer to the 3 point line instead of sagging in the lane. Our defense will be a top 25 defense again.

 

[ttturner68]

Adjustments are made constantly... is this another post about trying to run a pure zone in todays game?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I think this team needs to distribute the ball more. We need another consistent scorer. Loyer really wasn't that. He was good at times, but also had many games where he was putting up very low numbers. We can't be next level if Braden & TKR are taking 75% of the shots. They will both wear down, which is why I think we finished 6th. In league play, if you have a weakness, the coaching is so good that teams will figure it out & exploit it. That being said, defense was horrible second half of the B1G & that needs to resemble more of what we were in the Houston game (barring the final defensive possession).

I get what you’re saying and adding another scoring guard/wing like Lance will push Loyer to the 4th scoring option like he was during the NC run.

BUT Loyer was great in that first half vs Houston and kept us in the game. But I get your point about being more consistent.

 

[Woodsa]

The team exceeded my expectations as I expected a let down. With the returning talent currently on the team and the addition of a few select pieces, next year could be a VERY strong year for Purdue. DJ, Cluff, and TKR on the floor at the same time would be CRAZY. Add in an AA point guard who can get the ball to anyone and you have unlimited PnR with kick outs to DJ for 3pts. All this frees up the 2 & 3 for 3pt shots, just need someone to consistently make them.

 

[northside100]

No. Nothing of substance. We should know that by now. That's not a criticism, he is a successful coach. But he is not someone who changes what he does.

You’re kidding right? There are core principles he doesn’t get away from but they change what they do on offense all the time.

 

[ttturner68]

You’re kidding right? There are core principles he doesn’t get away from but they change what they do on offense all the time.

Literally possession to possession.

 

[Gman544]

You’re kidding right? There are core principles he doesn’t get away from but they change what they do on offense all the time.

OK...

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

We will play zone next year…..well probably not