After all, running off the most successful coach we'd had in 40 years really worked out well for Purdue. I guess MSU fans are willing to settle for mediocrity, unlike the "results-driven" winners in our fan base.
Why doesn't MSU fire Dantonio?!
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In their defense, it's 1 bad year. If Purdue canned a coach after ever bad year, Tiller would have never made it past 2001
If this becomes a trend, great. Can him.
As much as I didn't think it was wise to cut Hazell mid season, he had it coming with a 9-32 overall record. Dantonio doesn't have it coming. Not at this point
If this becomes a trend, great. Can him.
As much as I didn't think it was wise to cut Hazell mid season, he had it coming with a 9-32 overall record. Dantonio doesn't have it coming. Not at this point
We went to a Bowl game in 2001 with a freshman QB and an all-new offensive line. I thought that Coach Joe did a damn fine job during that rebuilding season.
It was after 2005 (Tiller's one bad season to that point, imo) that this board decided Tiller had to go. Then, after 10 bowl games in 11 seasons and BACK TO BACK 8 win seasons, our knuckleheaded fanbase forced the AD to make a change (as it was decided that Joe winning 8 games a year was just sleep walking...) and all who disagreed were "settling for mediocrity".
It was after 2005 (Tiller's one bad season to that point, imo) that this board decided Tiller had to go. Then, after 10 bowl games in 11 seasons and BACK TO BACK 8 win seasons, our knuckleheaded fanbase forced the AD to make a change (as it was decided that Joe winning 8 games a year was just sleep walking...) and all who disagreed were "settling for mediocrity".
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BoilerBozo is equating several bad years under Tiller to one bad season MSU is having under D'Antonio.
Wow.
Wow.
There was undoubtedly a decline going on, particularly with talent.
One thing I don't get about this board is how hard it is to grasp basic facts.
Recruiting is a foreshadow of what's to come. It obviously does not perform 100% accurately as the most talented teams aren't always great and there are some less talented teams that are great (these are typically exceptions to the rules though). However, your overall talent level is a pretty strong indicator of potential.
Purdue's recruiting really started to trail off in Tiller's last years. When Hope took over, there wasn't a lot of talent on the team. It was average, but our talent level was basically in the bottom 1/3 of the Big Ten. So you can criticize Purdue for pushing Tiller out - but the writing was on the wall and it showed with his recruiting, and it wasn't just one class.
And recruiting had foreshadowed Hope's demise, then Hazell's. Neither showed an improvement in recruiting and neither were recruiting what should be "easier" areas for us to recruit. When you have recruiting classes ranked 10, 11 or 12....it's not really a shock why you may end up there in the final standings.
................to add to that..it didn't help that most of TILLERS staff was depleted in the later years do to our "CHEAP" athletic dept!
But the "decline going on, particularly with talent" was due the difficulty in recruiting as a result of lack of investment in football practice and training facilities, as well as coaches' salaries. The other issue was that Curtis Painter never developed into the QB the coaches hoped for, despite his pro-potential arm. And Tiller's system only worked to its potential when he had the QB to run it.
The point is, success at this level is a very, very fragile thing for all except the most elite programs. Sometimes a few key players don't develop, flunk out (except at IU, where flunking out isn't possible), get hurt, etc. And then a team can go quickly from being a title contender to a very mediocre team, a la MSU.
If we'd really been paying attention, we'd have run Morgan off rather than Tiller.
But of course, "results-driven" knuckleheads just demand results, without any regard for why they aren't seeing those results, or what it takes to get those results.
I think this is why Tiller coined the term, "knucklehead."
