Who would you trade for on the iu roster?

[mathboy]

Doesn't play defense. It's not an exaggeration to say he was probably the worst defender in conference play last year

This. JBJ has not

Blackmon hunted his shots and played a lot of one-on-one last year. He also gave up and disappeared when closely guarded. How did he do against Purdue last year? Blame Crean's offense a bit, I supppose. Scoring a bunch of points against teams like South West Weasel State is not a measure of a great shooting guard.

Maybe he will be a better player this year, but I doubt he would start at Purdue. Now healthy, I will bet Stephenson will shoot a better percentage than JBJ this year. He was every bit the shooter coming out of high school JBJ was. Also, Mathias, as a freshman, was shown to be a better playmaker than JBJ. Both Purdue players bring significantly more defensive pressure than JBJ showed last year.

JBJ is a sophmore, and will probably go through his "slump" this year. By no means am I saying he is a bad player. I just think he would struggle breaking into the 2015/2016 starting line up at Purdue. IMHO, he would be third off the bench at SG. Maybe forth if Davis plays at the 2-spot.

 

[bonefish1]

Some of you don't know what 'objectively' means....This is a hypothetical question. It has nothing to do with loyalty, your hatred for iu, or anything else. It's purely a 'what if' scenario.

The reason I originally asked it was because many of the talking heads (granted, who are often wrong), really seem to like iu A LOT more than Purdue. Why? Because they assume iu has better players.

If you wouldn't take Yogi, you're crazy.

 

[proudopete]

Some of you don't know what 'objectively' means....This is a hypothetical question. It has nothing to do with loyalty, your hatred for iu, or anything else. It's purely a 'what if' scenario.

The reason I originally asked it was because many of the talking heads (granted, who are often wrong), really seem to like iu A LOT more than Purdue. Why? Because they assume iu has better players.

If you wouldn't take Yogi, you're crazy.

I doubt anyone is questioning the skills Yogi has. The thing I see most is people realizing he has limited leadership skills and has been rumored to be somewhat of a cancer to his teammates. Add in the fact that most if not all of his assists are to shooters on the perimeter and it's pretty obvious that adding Yogi could do more harm then good.

I agree. I am over seeking talented kids who aren't going to buy into the team aspect and the strategy Painter likes to use.

Although our individuals aren't considered as talented as some of theirs. I wouldn't trade our TEAM for theirs. We have a much better TEAM which is how the games are played.

 

[BoilerToTheFullest]

Everybody that says they would take an IU guy turn in all your Purdue s*** now just turn it in you don't deserve to wear the black and gold

 

[BoilerToTheFullest]

You could take the best player that ever played at IU and I would not take him

 

[BoilerToTheFullest]

If he has ever wore those ugly ass candy striped uniforms I do not want him touching a Purdue uniform

 

[BoilerToTheFullest]

Ever ever ever ever never ever get my point

 

[CRBoiler]

If we could magically transfer Yogi's skills to PJ, yes I'd say go for it. But (hypothetically, objectively, subjectively, emotionally, etc.) I don't want to trade PJ for Yogi. Personality and character matter.

 

[BoilerToTheFullest]

I wouldn't trade a walk on to IU for one of their good players

 

[koopmeister]

This. JBJ has not

Blackmon hunted his shots and played a lot of one-on-one last year. He also gave up and disappeared when closely guarded. How did he do against Purdue last year? Blame Crean's offense a bit, I supppose. Scoring a bunch of points against teams like South West Weasel State is not a measure of a great shooting guard.

Maybe he will be a better player this year, but I doubt he would start at Purdue. Now healthy, I will bet Stephenson will shoot a better percentage than JBJ this year. He was every bit the shooter coming out of high school JBJ was. Also, Mathias, as a freshman, was shown to be a better playmaker than JBJ. Both Purdue players bring significantly more defensive pressure than JBJ showed last year.

JBJ is a sophmore, and will probably go through his "slump" this year. By no means am I saying he is a bad player. I just think he would struggle breaking into the 2015/2016 starting line up at Purdue. IMHO, he would be third off the bench at SG. Maybe forth if Davis plays at the 2-spot.

I don't think this is accurate in the slightest. Blackmon was a poor defensive player last season...but if folks were keeping it real, we would all take a talented recruit for next year's class of this potential in a heartbeat. With him being on IU's roster, it is natural for most loyal Purdue fans to take an unnatural dislike...but he also averaged close to 16 points last season. I know he struggled against Davis last season, but so did almost every other talented BIG player at that position...that's why he won the DPOY.

While KS and DM are the kind of players almost every team would want on their roster, I wouldn't call them substantial defensive upgrades...and for certain wouldn't call them offensive upgrades. The biggest issues would resonate around his defense and if he could maintain a team attitude in sharing shots. 3rd off of the bench at shooting guard? I hate defending IU in any arena, but he was easily a better player than both KS and DM last season. Pretty good frosh numbers ~ http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3147669/james-blackmon-jr

Maybe you are right and possible he will struggle, but I could also see him have a great 2nd season and declare for the draft. His biggest struggle from doing that last season was easily how he played on the defensive side of the ball.

Cheers to the OP as this is a fun fictional thread. Of course if you could somehow do this and not compromise chemistry (fictional right...because of course this would be impossible)...I would likely take Yogi, Blackmon, Williams (he would bring something to the roster we don't really have), and their freshman center which would even add more crazy depth we have at the post and of course deplete the biggest post weapon from our rival. All have some deficiencies, but all will also likely be top shelf collegiate players or playing in the NBA.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I doubt anyone is questioning the skills Yogi has. The thing I see most is people realizing he has limited leadership skills and has been rumored to be somewhat of a cancer to his teammates. Add in the fact that most if not all of his assists are to shooters on the perimeter and it's pretty obvious that adding Yogi could do more harm then good.

I agree. I am over seeking talented kids who aren't going to buy into the team aspect and the strategy Painter likes to use.

Although our individuals aren't considered as talented as some of theirs. I wouldn't trade our TEAM for theirs. We have a much better TEAM which is how the games are played.

I think it's fair to say that Yogi has bought into Crean's system, which is all about spreading the floor and letting the guards drive and dish. I see no reason to believe that he wouldn't buy into Painter's system, even though it is very different than what Yogi is asked to do now.

I'm certain that Yogi isn't perfect, but I don't know him off the court and am not going to make a judgement on his character or leadership. On the court, he is an excellent college basketball player. I really admire Purdue's point guards, but they are unproven as Big Ten basketball players.

 

[mathboy]

I don't think this is accurate in the slightest. Blackmon was a poor defensive player last season...but if folks were keeping it real, we would all take a talented recruit for next year's class of this potential in a heartbeat. With him being on IU's roster, it is natural for most loyal Purdue fans to take an unnatural dislike...but he also averaged close to 16 points last season. I know he struggled against Davis last season, but so did almost every other talented BIG player at that position...that's why he won the DPOY.

While KS and DM are the kind of players almost every team would want on their roster, I wouldn't call them substantial defensive upgrades...and for certain wouldn't call them offensive upgrades. The biggest issues would resonate around his defense and if he could maintain a team attitude in sharing shots. 3rd off of the bench at shooting guard? I hate defending IU in any arena, but he was easily a better player than both KS and DM last season. Pretty good frosh numbers ~ http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3147669/james-blackmon-jr

Maybe you are right and possible he will struggle, but I could also see him have a great 2nd season and declare for the draft. His biggest struggle from doing that last season was easily how he played on the defensive side of the ball.

Cheers to the OP as this is a fun fictional thread. Of course if you could somehow do this and not compromise chemistry (fictional right...because of course this would be impossible)...I would likely take Yogi, Blackmon, Williams (he would bring something to the roster we don't really have), and their freshman center which would even add more crazy depth we have at the post and of course deplete the biggest post weapon from our rival. All have some deficiencies, but all will also likely be top shelf collegiate players or playing in the NBA.

Not to be too contrary but the OP was about this year's team, not next years. Would I like to have a Blackmon like player in the 2016 class? Sure. Not the point.

In any case, you say you don't agree with me in the slightest, then make the same points I did about Blackmon's defensive liability and his tendency to disapear in tough games. He would not start on this year's Purdue team, and might not see much playing time either. I stand by what I posted, but of course, respect your right to disagree. I am just pointing out that we probably agree more than we disagree.

 

[Heller]

I think it's fair to say that Yogi has bought into Crean's system, which is all about spreading the floor and letting the guards drive and dish. I see no reason to believe that he wouldn't buy into Painter's system, even though it is very different than what Yogi is asked to do now.

I'm certain that Yogi isn't perfect, but I don't know him off the court and am not going to make a judgement on his character or leadership. On the court, he is an excellent college basketball player. I really admire Purdue's point guards, but they are unproven as Big Ten basketball players.

Hell Ronnie Johnson could have been a decent Big Ten PG as could Bryson, but chemistry is much more important than people realize. If Painter had Yogi from day one, yes. Now? Oh Hell No!

 

[koopmeister]

I don't think this is accurate in the slightest. Blackmon was a poor defensive player last season...but if folks were keeping it real, we would all take a talented recruit for next year's class of this potential in a heartbeat. With him being on IU's roster, it is natural for most loyal Purdue fans to take an unnatural dislike...but he also averaged close to 16 points last season. I know he struggled against Davis last season, but so did almost every other talented BIG player at that position...that's why he won the DPOY.

While KS and DM are the kind of players almost every team would want on their roster, I wouldn't call them substantial defensive upgrades...and for certain wouldn't call them offensive upgrades. The biggest issues would resonate around his defense and if he could maintain a team attitude in sharing shots. 3rd off of the bench at shooting guard? I hate defending IU in any arena, but he was easily a better player than both KS and DM last season. Pretty good frosh numbers ~ http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3147669/james-blackmon-jr

Maybe you are right and possible he will struggle, but I could also see him have a great 2nd season and declare for the draft. His biggest struggle from doing that last season was easily how he played on the defensive side of the ball.

Cheers to the OP as this is a fun fictional thread. Of course if you could somehow do this and not compromise chemistry (fictional right...because of course this would be impossible)...I would likely take Yogi, Blackmon, Williams (he would bring something to the roster we don't really have), and their freshman center which would even add more crazy depth we have at the post and of course deplete the biggest post weapon from our rival. All have some deficiencies, but all will also likely be top shelf collegiate players or playing in the NBA.

Fair point in regards to him being a recruit for next year's roster, the thrust of that thought was solely that folks tend to dismiss folks they perceive as the 'enemy' as opposed to looking solely looking objectively at what they bring to the table. Most of us would be absolutely tickled to see a top shelf 5 star #22 player coming to our program any year.

As for the rest, we do have common ground on his defensive liabilities...I think possibly everybody feels the same...but I never said he disappeared in tough games. I won't take the time to look that up, but was more focused on his almost 16 point scoring average which at a glance would refute that. Almost every offensive star gets shut down for a game or two, especially when they are younger...and also being defended by the conference DPOY...in a heavy rivalry game. It's been too many years for me to remember well, but I think even Glenn had a doughnut in his second or third game as a Boiler...so using a game where Davis shuts him down is a very small sample size to make any kind of point imo. I absolutely think he would get a ton of minutes on our roster...even with our depth.

In general, you should feel free to stand by what you posted, but I only responded because it felt to me like pretty strong hyperbole on the other end of the spectrum. He is a player that would be very hard to keep off of the floor as he can put the ball in the bucket a ton of different ways...the kind of player you put your best defender on. Lastly, to think he would likely be the 4th player at SG on our team (if Davis plays significant time at the 2) is where we definitely disagree. That being said, I love our roster...but to have another player of that caliber would be a great excess of riches.

Time will tell as the season is almost upon us...but I think Blackmon will be one of the better offensive players in the league. I cannot wait for the season to start!

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Hell Ronnie Johnson could have been a decent Big Ten PG as could Bryson, but chemistry is much more important than people realize. If Painter had Yogi from day one, yes. Now? Oh Hell No!

There would be uncertainty, but there's also uncertainty with Johnny Hill, who also has always played in ball screen oriented offenses, much like Yogi.

 

[tjreese]

Some of you don't know what 'objectively' means....This is a hypothetical question. It has nothing to do with loyalty, your hatred for iu, or anything else. It's purely a 'what if' scenario.

The reason I originally asked it was because many of the talking heads (granted, who are often wrong), really seem to like iu A LOT more than Purdue. Why? Because they assume iu has better players.

If you wouldn't take Yogi, you're crazy.

there are more IU basketball sport fans and they want to read about IU...strictly a business decision

 

[tjreese]

Fair point in regards to him being a recruit for next year's roster, the thrust of that thought was solely that folks tend to dismiss folks they perceive as the 'enemy' as opposed to looking solely looking objectively at what they bring to the table. Most of us would be absolutely tickled to see a top shelf 5 star #22 player coming to our program any year.

As for the rest, we do have common ground on his defensive liabilities...I think possibly everybody feels the same...but I never said he disappeared in tough games. I won't take the time to look that up, but was more focused on his almost 16 point scoring average which at a glance would refute that. Almost every offensive star gets shut down for a game or two, especially when they are younger...and also being defended by the conference DPOY...in a heavy rivalry game. It's been too many years for me to remember well, but I think even Glenn had a doughnut in his second or third game as a Boiler...so using a game where Davis shuts him down is a very small sample size to make any kind of point imo. I absolutely think he would get a ton of minutes on our roster...even with our depth.

In general, you should feel free to stand by what you posted, but I only responded because it felt to me like pretty strong hyperbole on the other end of the spectrum. He is a player that would be very hard to keep off of the floor as he can put the ball in the bucket a ton of different ways...the kind of player you put your best defender on. Lastly, to think he would likely be the 4th player at SG on our team (if Davis plays significant time at the 2) is where we definitely disagree. That being said, I love our roster...but to have another player of that caliber would be a great excess of riches.

Time will tell as the season is almost upon us...but I think Blackmon will be one of the better offensive players in the league. I cannot wait for the season to start!

Blackmon is very smooth and a great offensive scorer. How the game is called seems to affect his play a lot. I'm not sure he likes a player getting physical with him and so if the refs have a quick whistle he will shine...if not he typically shrinks to a smaller figure. He is a talent

 

[Heller]

There would be uncertainty, but there's also uncertainty with Johnny Hill, who also has always played in ball screen oriented offenses, much like Yogi.

That's a good point. And I haven't seen the choices JH makes when he has the ball. So if the question was that both Hill and Yogi were available for one year I would probably take Yogi. But I likely would have said that last year over JO before the season, but not after.

 

[mathboy]

Fair point in regards to him being a recruit for next year's roster, the thrust of that thought was solely that folks tend to dismiss folks they perceive as the 'enemy' as opposed to looking solely looking objectively at what they bring to the table. Most of us would be absolutely tickled to see a top shelf 5 star #22 player coming to our program any year.

As for the rest, we do have common ground on his defensive liabilities...I think possibly everybody feels the same...but I never said he disappeared in tough games. I won't take the time to look that up, but was more focused on his almost 16 point scoring average which at a glance would refute that. Almost every offensive star gets shut down for a game or two, especially when they are younger...and also being defended by the conference DPOY...in a heavy rivalry game. It's been too many years for me to remember well, but I think even Glenn had a doughnut in his second or third game as a Boiler...so using a game where Davis shuts him down is a very small sample size to make any kind of point imo. I absolutely think he would get a ton of minutes on our roster...even with our depth.

In general, you should feel free to stand by what you posted, but I only responded because it felt to me like pretty strong hyperbole on the other end of the spectrum. He is a player that would be very hard to keep off of the floor as he can put the ball in the bucket a ton of different ways...the kind of player you put your best defender on. Lastly, to think he would likely be the 4th player at SG on our team (if Davis plays significant time at the 2) is where we definitely disagree. That being said, I love our roster...but to have another player of that caliber would be a great excess of riches.

Time will tell as the season is almost upon us...but I think Blackmon will be one of the better offensive players in the league. I cannot wait for the season to start!

Fair enough. Like you, I can't wait for this season to get going. It is going to be fun. I just worry about those games where everyone on the team goes cold.

Let me ask a question. Blackmon is certainly an ofennsive talent. Do you think Blackmon would start over Stephenson or Mathias at the 2-guard spot in Painter's system for 2015/2016? My response would be no, because he doesn't play defense, and his offense is... well let me put it this way... his offense is not consistent enough to off-set his defensive liability.

If Davis shifts to a 2-guard, then where would Blackmon fit into the rotation? Heck, where does it put Stephenson and Mathias?

 

[koopmeister]

Fair enough. Like you, I can't wait for this season to get going. It is going to be fun. I just worry about those games where everyone on the team goes cold.

Let me ask a question. Blackmon is certainly an ofennsive talent. Do you think Blackmon would start over Stephenson or Mathias at the 2-guard spot in Painter's system for 2015/2016? My response would be no, because he doesn't play defense, and his offense is... well let me put it this way... his offense is not consistent enough to off-set his defensive liability.

If Davis shifts to a 2-guard, then where would Blackmon fit into the rotation? Heck, where does it put Stephenson and Mathias?

That's an interesting question. I for one think he can and likely will be at least a little better on defense due to adding strength and of course experience...but of course that will remain to be seen. His offensive ability is excellent, and I think you could mask his defensive liabilities depending on what defensive assignment the other team brings. There are a few teams that have 3 prolific scorers on their team at the 1-3 slots...and we do have a rim protector that essentially helps all of our guards when the defense breaks down. Of course this is all fantasy, and we are beyond fortunate to have excellent options with KS, DM, and RC. They are very good shooters, but Blackmon is a very good shooter on top of being a prolific scorer. As great as our team feels right now, we don't have a scorer...but rather 5 guys on the floor who can probe for weaknesses and all score. Now if KS has matured where he can more readily create his own shot, then that changes things a ton imo. It feels a little dirty to be giving Blackmon this much praise on a Purdue board, but I am just trying to keep my thoughts honest with what he produced over a whole season...his first season at that.

Whenever you have a frosh score close to 16 a game while also shooting 42% from the field and 39% from 3...and also average 5.3 boards as a 2 guard, you find minutes for that level of production. I think you give Davis as many minutes as he can handle to be productive...he is simply a gamer, the heart of our turnaround, and of course brings it on the defensive side of the ball every game. We finally have this ridiculous excess of riches where we might actually see our three best 'shooters' come off of the bench, but I am guessing Painter will want to stretch the floor as much as possible. I think AJ and Davis are locks for minutes based on what they produced last season and what they bring defensively...there are several other players where you can most certainly plug minutes, but that can change depending on health, productivity, and what your opponent brings to the table. The most interesting part to me will be who separates themselves from what is a pretty crowded pack right now.

 

[koopmeister]

Blackmon is very smooth and a great offensive scorer. How the game is called seems to affect his play a lot. I'm not sure he likes a player getting physical with him and so if the refs have a quick whistle he will shine...if not he typically shrinks to a smaller figure. He is a talent

Year 2 should tell us quite a bit. He wasn't as thin as KS, but if he has grown through their weight program it would help with the physicality as you reference. Even still, some players just are challenged with a physical defender. If he wants to play at the next level, he better get used to that.

 

[tjreese]

Year 2 should tell us quite a bit. He wasn't as thin as KS, but if he has grown through their weight program it would help with the physicality as you reference. Even still, some players just are challenged with a physical defender. If he wants to play at the next level, he better get used to that.

I watched him in the junior/senior all star game at Tipton where he hit about 4 or so in a row out of the gate. I saw Bryson get into him and pretty much shut him down. Now, it may have been a friendly thing where he just didn't challenge Bryson, but when I saw Kokomo get physical with him I saw the same thing. I understand James to be a really good kid...and he just may not have that mean streak in him. Sometimes kids from "good" families are really skilled, but may not have that killer attitude. I don't know. James is very smooth though but has never shown me the killer streak. In a game of finesse I'm sure he would be great all the time

 

[BigRed3588]

Fair enough. Like you, I can't wait for this season to get going. It is going to be fun. I just worry about those games where everyone on the team goes cold.

Let me ask a question. Blackmon is certainly an ofennsive talent. Do you think Blackmon would start over Stephenson or Mathias at the 2-guard spot in Painter's system for 2015/2016? My response would be no, because he doesn't play defense, and his offense is... well let me put it this way... his offense is not consistent enough to off-set his defensive liability.

If Davis shifts to a 2-guard, then where would Blackmon fit into the rotation? Heck, where does it put Stephenson and Mathias?

I'm kind of surprised to see this answer from you being as you tend to be one of the more objective posters on this board. I have a very hard time believing that the 6th highest scoring freshman in the nation, who flirted with entering the draft and broke Eric Gordon's frosh 3 point record, would be 4th on the depth chart at the 2 for a team that struggles from the perimeter.

I certainly understand the reservations about his defense, and I think that was the primary piece of feedback he got from NBA scouts. And I'm not sure how much it will improve this year being as he spent a large portion of the off-season rehabbing a knee injury. But a defensively sound team like Purdue can usually hide a scorer like that on the defensive end and make his offensive output worth the liability.

 

[BoilerJS]

There are

I don't think this is accurate in the slightest. Blackmon was a poor defensive player last season...but if folks were keeping it real, we would all take a talented recruit for next year's class of this potential in a heartbeat. With him being on IU's roster, it is natural for most loyal Purdue fans to take an unnatural dislike...but he also averaged close to 16 points last season. I know he struggled against Davis last season, but so did almost every other talented BIG player at that position...that's why he won the DPOY.

While KS and DM are the kind of players almost every team would want on their roster, I wouldn't call them substantial defensive upgrades...and for certain wouldn't call them offensive upgrades. The biggest issues would resonate around his defense and if he could maintain a team attitude in sharing shots. 3rd off of the bench at shooting guard? I hate defending IU in any arena, but he was easily a better player than both KS and DM last season. Pretty good frosh numbers ~ http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3147669/james-blackmon-jr

Maybe you are right and possible he will struggle, but I could also see him have a great 2nd season and declare for the draft. His biggest struggle from doing that last season was easily how he played on the defensive side of the ball.

Cheers to the OP as this is a fun fictional thread. Of course if you could somehow do this and not compromise chemistry (fictional right...because of course this would be impossible)...I would likely take Yogi, Blackmon, Williams (he would bring something to the roster we don't really have), and their freshman center which would even add more crazy depth we have at the post and of course deplete the biggest post weapon from our rival. All have some deficiencies, but all will also likely be top shelf collegiate players or playing in the NBA.

There are a lot of reasons for Blackmon scoring a lot. IU's style of play, the fact that there were a bunch of shooters on IU's roster which means more open looks etc. Of course being good doesnt hurt. I still wouldn't trade DM, or KS for Blackmon. IMO Yogi is a no brainer. Give IU AJ or Purdue Yogi and you probably have a couple final four potential teams.

 

[BigRed3588]

There are

There are a lot of reasons for Blackmon scoring a lot. IU's style of play, the fact that there were a bunch of shooters on IU's roster which means more open looks etc. Of course being good doesnt hurt. I still wouldn't trade DM, or KS for Blackmon. IMO Yogi is a no brainer. Give IU AJ or Purdue Yogi and you probably have a couple final four potential teams.

I could see both teams being contenders as is if they fix what few issues they have. Give Purdue solid PG play out of Hill and a solid perimeter game and give IU a defense and decent production out of Bielfeldt in the post and it should be a good year for the state of Indiana. ND, as much as I hate to say it, should be right there as well.

 

[purdue4sure]

Seriously??? Nobody.

Seriously. Nobody.
Not a walk-on. Not a student manager. Not a dorm cafeteria worker. All of these kids are Boilermakers. I would not send them to bloomington for a player that MP wasn't interested in, or who wasn't interested in Purdue.

 

[mathboy]

I'm kind of surprised to see this answer from you being as you tend to be one of the more objective posters on this board. I have a very hard time believing that the 6th highest scoring freshman in the nation, who flirted with entering the draft and broke Eric Gordon's frosh 3 point record, would be 4th on the depth chart at the 2 for a team that struggles from the perimeter.

I certainly understand the reservations about his defense, and I think that was the primary piece of feedback he got from NBA scouts. And I'm not sure how much it will improve this year being as he spent a large portion of the off-season rehabbing a knee injury. But a defensively sound team like Purdue can usually hide a scorer like that on the defensive end and make his offensive output worth the liability.

You make a convincing point BigRed, Okay, I'll bite. I will have to admit I might take JBJ, and he might start.... "My hypocracy knows no bounds".

I guess my biggest problem with him is that I really studied his game during the Purdue games, which were not his best. I walked away with an impression that is not supported statistically. Stuff happens, you know.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Put Yogi on Purdue's team and you MIGHT have a final four team. Put AJ on IU and you WON'T have a final four team. IU had a more complete team when Zeller was there and the Clapper couldn't get them past Sweet 16. What makes anybody think he's grown as a coach since then?

 

[Bill4411]

Oh no, mean Mr Crean is heading to Louisville to rescue another program....

IU won't stand in his way if that is his decision.

 

[Heller]

IU won't stand in his way if that is his decision.

That's probably true, but, if he kisses his son on the mouth he will likely be arrested in Kentucky.

 

[boilerzz]

That's probably true, but, if he kisses his son on the mouth he will likely be arrested in Kentucky.

Uh, you know this is the state of Kentucky we're talking about, right?

 

[dumpsterFyre]

With all the hype this years iu team is getting (I've seen them preseason as high at #12), who would you trade for in the starting lineups? Obviously tough to do based on it being iu, but put emotions aside and try to be objective.

For my starting 5, I'd trade for :
1. Hill for Yogi: yes
2. Ray Davis for Blackmon: Yes (although you're basically trading offense for defense. Tough call)
3. Vince for Williams: no (Williams is the better athlete, but I like Vince's all around game and ability to stretch the D with the 3 and handle the ball)
4. Biggie for ? : no (not sure who iu will have at the 4, but I ain't tradin Biggie)
5. AJ for Bryant: no way jose.

OK iu lurkers, I know you're reading this. Feel free to add your assessment but just remember.... POTFH

I disagree emphatically on the Ray for JB trade. Assuming we're not doing an apples to apples comparison, Ray sets the defensive tone for the entire team. I think we have enough scoring options that we need a utility guy like Ray who will do the dirty work. Purdue is not a finesse team. We'll cram it down your throat and RD is our fist.

 

[feulner]

You make a convincing point BigRed, Okay, I'll bite. I will have to admit I might take JBJ, and he might start.... "My hypocracy knows no bounds".

I guess my biggest problem with him is that I really studied his game during the Purdue games, which were not his best. I walked away with an impression that is not supported statistically. Stuff happens, you know.

I think what many Purdue fans forget is that E'twaun Moore didn't play any defense as a freshman either. But Painter was able to hide him next to Kramer. Having said that, you can't trade Blackmon for Davis, because Davis would be doing the hiding. Blackmon isn't a point, so that's out too. The only other option is to start him in place of Edwards. That's close to a toss-up, soph for soph. Both good rebounders, Edwards a better defender (although Blackmon could be hidden a bit next to Davis) and better size, Blackmon a better shooter, Edwards maybe more efficient offensively and Edwards a better passer.

 

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Where do you get Moore didn't play defense

 

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I think it's fair to say that Yogi has bought into Crean's system, which is all about spreading the floor and letting the guards drive and dish. I see no reason to believe that he wouldn't buy into Painter's system, even though it is very different than what Yogi is asked to do now.

I'm certain that Yogi isn't perfect, but I don't know him off the court and am not going to make a judgement on his character or leadership. On the court, he is an excellent college basketball player. I really admire Purdue's point guards, but they are unproven as Big Ten basketball players.

Yogi did just fine winning state championships at Park Tudor and Bluiett did just find scoring points from Yogi passes.

 

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Yogi did just fine winning state championships at Park Tudor and Bluiett did just find scoring points from Yogi passes.

Bluiett is the last person Yogi ever passed to.