Wheeler

[Wolegib]

I believe Cline's deficiencies have been exposed. Just because he's a senior doesn't justify increased minutes. Davis's minutes as a senior were reduced. Spike played very few minutes! Before he was kicked off the team, Smotherman's experience didn't lend to increased minutes. Experience is not better than talent.

I believe if Painter sees talent and chemistry, he will not hesitate to give minutes to incoming freshmen. Without even putting on a jersey, Eastern is the Bolier's best guard. Should he just sit on the bench and watch ?

As for Wheeler, he is a huge question mark. Should he play or red shirt ? As was pointed out above, who was the last player that redshirted and became a great player for the next 4 years ? Who was the last player that redshirted that even became a starter? Big Dog doesn't count. If he was academically eligible, he would have played. I have no memory of any Purdue basketball player that redshirted and actually became a great player. So what's the purpose?

I'm also not sure if Wheeler is better suited to play SF or PF ? his size, style, and game seem better suited to play SF. he could create some great mismatches as a SF much like the Greek freak ! .

the same goes for V Edwards. I love V Edwards playing SF and NOT PF. I want to see a banger playing PF. it would be different if Haas was a more athletic center and shot blocker. But he's not. Purdue needs a banger at PF, and to keep V Edwards and Wheeler at SF !

I can't see Wheeler getting more than 10 minutes a game, but I believe those minutes will be more valuable than red shirting. And who knows what recruits 2018 will bring ?

I'll ask again, who was the last "impact Player" that redshirted in basketball at Purdue ?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I believe Cline's deficiencies have been exposed. Just because he's a senior doesn't justify increased minutes. Davis's minutes as a senior were reduced. Spike played very few minutes! Before he was kicked off the team, Smotherman's experience didn't lend to increased minutes. Experience is not better than talent.

I believe if Painter sees talent and chemistry, he will not hesitate to give minutes to incoming freshmen. Without even putting on a jersey, Eastern is the Bolier's best guard. Should he just sit on the bench and watch ?

As for Wheeler, he is a huge question mark. Should he play or red shirt ? As was pointed out above, who was the last player that redshirted and became a great player for the next 4 years ? Who was the last player that redshirted that even became a starter? Big Dog doesn't count. If he was academically eligible, he would have played. I have no memory of any Purdue basketball player that redshirted and actually became a great player. So what's the purpose?

I'm also not sure if Wheeler is better suited to play SF or PF ? his size, style, and game seem better suited to play SF. he could create some great mismatches as a SF much like the Greek freak ! .

the same goes for V Edwards. I love V Edwards playing SF and NOT PF. I want to see a banger playing PF. it would be different if Haas was a more athletic center and shot blocker. But he's not. Purdue needs a banger at PF, and to keep V Edwards and Wheeler at SF !

I can't see Wheeler getting more than 10 minutes a game, but I believe those minutes will be more valuable than red shirting. And who knows what recruits 2018 will bring ?

I'll ask again, who was the last "impact Player" that redshirted in basketball at Purdue ?

Brian Cardinal says hi.

 

[Wolegib]

Brian Cardinal says hi.

Welcome Brian. and how many years did you play after you redshirted ? I believe the answer is only 3 So, what was the benefit of redshirting?

 

[StickPurdue]

I believe Cline's deficiencies have been exposed. Just because he's a senior doesn't justify increased minutes. Davis's minutes as a senior were reduced. Spike played very few minutes! Before he was kicked off the team, Smotherman's experience didn't lend to increased minutes. Experience is not better than talent.

I believe if Painter sees talent and chemistry, he will not hesitate to give minutes to incoming freshmen. Without even putting on a jersey, Eastern is the Bolier's best guard. Should he just sit on the bench and watch ?

As for Wheeler, he is a huge question mark. Should he play or red shirt ? As was pointed out above, who was the last player that redshirted and became a great player for the next 4 years ? Who was the last player that redshirted that even became a starter? Big Dog doesn't count. If he was academically eligible, he would have played. I have no memory of any Purdue basketball player that redshirted and actually became a great player. So what's the purpose?

I'm also not sure if Wheeler is better suited to play SF or PF ? his size, style, and game seem better suited to play SF. he could create some great mismatches as a SF much like the Greek freak ! .

the same goes for V Edwards. I love V Edwards playing SF and NOT PF. I want to see a banger playing PF. it would be different if Haas was a more athletic center and shot blocker. But he's not. Purdue needs a banger at PF, and to keep V Edwards and Wheeler at SF !

I can't see Wheeler getting more than 10 minutes a game, but I believe those minutes will be more valuable than red shirting. And who knows what recruits 2018 will bring ?

I'll ask again, who was the last "impact Player" that redshirted in basketball at Purdue ?

I think Vince is far better suited for the 4 and I loved it when he was in the post, attacking, and getting the ball from Biggie. He isn't super athletic as a 3 and I hope next year he takes strides as a defender. Wheeler is more athletic and could play the three/wing but he will need to shoot the ball well as a three. Wheeler also needs to put on some weight, but he will be Purdue's most athletic player. I don't think Wheeler wants to redshirt and he would likely leave as a graduate transfer like most five year players do. If Cline doesn't improve his defense, I think his minutes take a hit with athletic freshman coming in. I think Eastern will see big minutes regardless. He is a very talented player that moves incredibly well for his size. Student of the game and unselfish. He could even start by the end of the year, it wouldn't surprise me one bit so long as Biggie leaves. I am very optimistic and I don't think we take a big step back, even after losing our best player. Biggie was great and carried Purdue, but he turned the ball over and he wasn't a great defender. Biggie will go down as on of the greatest Boilers of all time, but if Painter can develop these young athletes into elite ball players, good things are right around the corner!

 

[Dakota Girl]

I believe Cline's deficiencies have been exposed. Just because he's a senior doesn't justify increased minutes. Davis's minutes as a senior were reduced. Spike played very few minutes! Before he was kicked off the team, Smotherman's experience didn't lend to increased minutes. Experience is not better than talent.

I believe if Painter sees talent and chemistry, he will not hesitate to give minutes to incoming freshmen. Without even putting on a jersey, Eastern is the Bolier's best guard. Should he just sit on the bench and watch ?

As for Wheeler, he is a huge question mark. Should he play or red shirt ? As was pointed out above, who was the last player that redshirted and became a great player for the next 4 years ? Who was the last player that redshirted that even became a starter? Big Dog doesn't count. If he was academically eligible, he would have played. I have no memory of any Purdue basketball player that redshirted and actually became a great player. So what's the purpose?

I'm also not sure if Wheeler is better suited to play SF or PF ? his size, style, and game seem better suited to play SF. he could create some great mismatches as a SF much like the Greek freak ! .

the same goes for V Edwards. I love V Edwards playing SF and NOT PF. I want to see a banger playing PF. it would be different if Haas was a more athletic center and shot blocker. But he's not. Purdue needs a banger at PF, and to keep V Edwards and Wheeler at SF !

I can't see Wheeler getting more than 10 minutes a game, but I believe those minutes will be more valuable than red shirting. And who knows what recruits 2018 will bring ?

I'll ask again, who was the last "impact Player" that redshirted in basketball at Purdue ?

Agree Cline has deficiencies. Don't agree that Cline is a senior (because he's not). He can get better. Don't know if he will. Same goes for the rest.
Ideally they all do and that keeps us even.
Don't know that Eastern is our best guard as you said but if he is we will be better than this year.
Haas is the only banger left (assuming biggie is in NBA). The PF and SF will be interchangeable and athletic.
Sasha could shirt because of the crowd at guard.

 

[BuilderBob6]

I guess we should all be prepared to take a step back next season...... since most of the players who helped us win 27 games last year can't possibly get any better.
We may or may not be a better team playing the same lineup next year.......but it is insane to think playing a lineup that gives major minutes to the younger guys will take us up a notch.
Eastern will see significant minutes, Ewing will have a role. If Wheeler plays a ton somebody tore an ACL or he got a lot better very quickly.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Welcome Brian. and how many years did you play after you redshirted ? I believe the answer is only 3 So, what was the benefit of redshirting?

He played 4 years.

 

[Boiler Buck]

I guess we should all be prepared to take a step back next season...... since most of the players who helped us win 27 games last year can't possibly get any better.
We may or may not be a better team playing the same lineup next year.......but it is insane to think playing a lineup that gives major minutes to the younger guys will take us up a notch.
Eastern will see significant minutes, Ewing will have a role. If Wheeler plays a ton somebody tore an ACL or he got a lot better very quickly.

And of course the rest of the B10 is just sitting still and not improving either......see I can be sarcastic too.

In any business or team if you are not improving you are stepping backwards....

Both our core and the newbies better contribute big-time or we won't win the B10 next year.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Fact is team doesn't get better if 2 newbies don't pull major minutes.

And of course the rest of the B10 is just sitting still and not improving either......see I can be sarcastic too.

In any business or team if you are not improving you are stepping backwards....

Both our core and the newbies better contribute big-time or we won't win the B10 next year.

I wasn't comparing our chances against other teams, just last year's team against next years. Everything else is variable.
I guess it all depends on what your "better" is. We could go 25-10 this year and have a "better" team.
Sometimes others are just better than you. Doesn't mean you're going backwards. Whatever.

 

[nagemj02]

I tend to agree with you but for a different reason. It's been a long time since a Purdue redshirt played all four years of eligibility at Purdue.

good call

I think Matt Carroll was the scholarship guy to do so, and he redshirted (2002-2003) after his freshman season (2001-2002). It looked like Sandi Marcius was going to a few years ago but then he grad transferred to DePaul.

 

[nagemj02]

There is nothing in Purdue basketball for next year that would surprise me more than Purdue playing the zone word. I think the odds favor Biggie coming back much higher than Purdue playing the zone word. Sure, I could be wrong, but I really doubt it. I think the odds improve after next year, but how much?

Painter sure could use it in his arsenal. He needs to go to someone like Boeheim this spring or summer when they're both out recruiting and/or at AAU events and ask him if he can teach him how to teach his players various zone defenses. Purdue will have the personnel for it more than ever next season.

 

[nagemj02]

Biggie got huge minutes as a freshman and to be honest, so did Carsen. It would not be crazy to see Wheeler and Eastern pull in 20 a game. Most of those would come from Biggie and Cline. If they can play as freshman, they will play. Wheeler is the best combination of size and athleticism that Purdue has had in a while. It would be crazy not to toy with the super athletic lineup, even if it was only preseason, just to see what he has. I would like to see that lineup in scrimmages as well to get the seniors used to playing athletic players. Kansas throttled them because the seniors, though fantastic ball players, were not athletic. It's unlikely that improves. Look at a team like South Carolina. Athletic teams can over acheive. Teams like Purdue often under achieve. It may take those seniors leaving before Painter makes the change, but if Purdue struggles without Biggie, I think it would very much be worth taking the chance on the young group. Get them ready for the future and make sure they don't get an urge to transfer away.

+1

 

[nagemj02]

I believe Cline's deficiencies have been exposed. Just because he's a senior doesn't justify increased minutes. Davis's minutes as a senior were reduced. Spike played very few minutes! Before he was kicked off the team, Smotherman's experience didn't lend to increased minutes. Experience is not better than talent.

I believe if Painter sees talent and chemistry, he will not hesitate to give minutes to incoming freshmen. Without even putting on a jersey, Eastern is the Bolier's best guard. Should he just sit on the bench and watch ?

As for Wheeler, he is a huge question mark. Should he play or red shirt ? As was pointed out above, who was the last player that redshirted and became a great player for the next 4 years ? Who was the last player that redshirted that even became a starter? Big Dog doesn't count. If he was academically eligible, he would have played. I have no memory of any Purdue basketball player that redshirted and actually became a great player. So what's the purpose?

I'm also not sure if Wheeler is better suited to play SF or PF ? his size, style, and game seem better suited to play SF. he could create some great mismatches as a SF much like the Greek freak ! .

the same goes for V Edwards. I love V Edwards playing SF and NOT PF. I want to see a banger playing PF. it would be different if Haas was a more athletic center and shot blocker. But he's not. Purdue needs a banger at PF, and to keep V Edwards and Wheeler at SF !

I can't see Wheeler getting more than 10 minutes a game, but I believe those minutes will be more valuable than red shirting. And who knows what recruits 2018 will bring ?

I'll ask again, who was the last "impact Player" that redshirted in basketball at Purdue ?

Cline will be a junior but I agree with your sentiment. Talent trumps experience more often than some on here would like to see or believe.

 

[Chuchumutha]

Brian Cardinal says hi.

Cardinal redshirted in 1995. The same year as Mississippi voted to abolish slavery.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Welcome Brian. and how many years did you play after you redshirted ? I believe the answer is only 3 So, what was the benefit of redshirting?

Brian Cardinal played 4 years.

Ryan Cline is a junior.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Painter sure could use it in his arsenal. He needs to go to someone like Boeheim this spring or summer when they're both out recruiting and/or at AAU events and ask him if he can teach him how to teach his players various zone defenses. Purdue will have the personnel for it more than ever next season.

The fact that you think Painter doesn't know how is very funny.
He doesn't want to.
He still has Haas and a lot of guards who are relatively short and less athletic than their counterparts on top ten types of teams.
The exact reason you want this team to play zone is the reason it would get destroyed by zone offense.
When you have a steady lineup of Carsen, Eastern, Wheeler, Ewing, and Haarms would be when you could do it. You could also pack line, sag, pressure the ball, switch, hard hedge and recover, match up zone, and so on which are all man to man principles.

 

[BuilderBob6]

The fact that you think Painter doesn't know how is very funny.
He doesn't want to.
He still has Haas and a lot of guards who are relatively short and less athletic than their counterparts on top ten types of teams.
The exact reason you want this team to play zone is the reason it would get destroyed by zone offense.
When you have a steady lineup of Carsen, Eastern, Wheeler, Ewing, and Haarms would be when you could do it. You could also pack line, sag, pressure the ball, switch, hard hedge and recover, match up zone, and so on which are all man to man principles.

Still tryin' eh?
You are a saint.

 

[tjreese]

I wasn't comparing our chances against other teams, just last year's team against next years. Everything else is variable.
I guess it all depends on what your "better" is. We could go 25-10 this year and have a "better" team.
Sometimes others are just better than you. Doesn't mean you're going backwards. Whatever.

obviously a better or worse record is not indicative of how good a team was with the comparible data if the records are "reasonably close". Purdue could improve 20% and if other teams improve 22% some of those close games could go the other way.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Still tryin' eh?
You are a saint.

No saint. Just got bored with the topics here in the early off season so I thought stir up my buddy.

 

[tjreese]

The fact that you think Painter doesn't know how is very funny.
He doesn't want to.
He still has Haas and a lot of guards who are relatively short and less athletic than their counterparts on top ten types of teams.
The exact reason you want this team to play zone is the reason it would get destroyed by zone offense.
When you have a steady lineup of Carsen, Eastern, Wheeler, Ewing, and Haarms would be when you could do it. You could also pack line, sag, pressure the ball, switch, hard hedge and recover, match up zone, and so on which are all man to man principles.

let me add (not for you Dakota)for the second billion time...Matt right or wrong has broke down the advantages and disadvantages of such in a HELL of a lot more understanding than the hunches held by many that probably haven't even taught both and came to a conclusion that man is the way to go. Could he use a matchup zone in the future...sure and I have no problem with such. Matt is paid a lot of money to win and since he puts in about another billion times more than any of us in trying to accomplish that he must be convinced that man with teh personnel he is able to recruit to run the offense he does is the way to go. Guys...when you see the ship falling out of site in the ocean, that doesn't mean the earth is flat...

 

[BuilderBob6]

No saint. Just got bored with the topics here in the early off season so I thought stir up my buddy.

Pace yourself. Gonna be a loooong off season.

 

[BoilerAndy]

The fact that you think Painter doesn't know how is very funny.
He doesn't want to.
He still has Haas and a lot of guards who are relatively short and less athletic than their counterparts on top ten types of teams.
The exact reason you want this team to play zone is the reason it would get destroyed by zone offense.
When you have a steady lineup of Carsen, Eastern, Wheeler, Ewing, and Haarms would be when you could do it. You could also pack line, sag, pressure the ball, switch, hard hedge and recover, match up zone, and so on which are all man to man principles.

You forgot to throw in the shell. I guess you didn't consider that tried and true zone, eh smarty-pants?

 

[nagemj02]

There are a lot of good choices for Painter to consult with: Boeheim for the 2-3, Dana Altman knows how to implement an effective match-up zone, Huggins knows how to teach a halfcourt and full-court trapping press defense and John Beilein knows how to implement an effective 1-3-1. They're all good choices for him to have in his coaching arsenal.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I think, as most have stated, the key for Wheeler is his defensive ability. CMP showed he is willing to allow an adept scorer play through the pains as long as their defense is capable in Carsen. With Biggie leaving (all but assured), a lineup that features two players who can play the 3/4 interchangeably in Vince and Wheeler is an added bonus. If Vince does have a game where he gets in foul trouble, there won't be a significant drop off as there was last year.

For the 2019 season, a lineup of Carsen, Eastern, Cline, Wheeler, and Ewing/Haarms seems like a damn good lineup to throw on the floor. That would constitute a large shift in CMP's ideology over the past few years.

Imo, CMP knee the ceiling would be limited with his recruiting of guys that were highly skilled but limited athletically...but that was a very smart and efficient way to rebuild his program back from the depths it was at previously. Now that he has been able to show his ability to coach up guys like Mathias, Vince, and PJT, the higher ceiling guys who are athletic but also skilled have opened up for CMP. The key will be to identify more players like this incoming class to continue the trend and the first key to that is Phinisee.

 

[Dakota Girl]

You forgot to throw in the shell. I guess you didn't consider that tried and true zone, eh smarty-pants?

Only Maryland should use that defense. It's tough to crack a turtle shell.

 

[StickPurdue]

I think, as most have stated, the key for Wheeler is his defensive ability. CMP showed he is willing to allow an adept scorer play through the pains as long as their defense is capable in Carsen. With Biggie leaving (all but assured), a lineup that features two players who can play the 3/4 interchangeably in Vince and Wheeler is an added bonus. If Vince does have a game where he gets in foul trouble, there won't be a significant drop off as there was last year.

For the 2019 season, a lineup of Carsen, Eastern, Cline, Wheeler, and Ewing/Haarms seems like a damn good lineup to throw on the floor. That would constitute a large shift in CMP's ideology over the past few years.

Imo, CMP knee the ceiling would be limited with his recruiting of guys that were highly skilled but limited athletically...but that was a very smart and efficient way to rebuild his program back from the depths it was at previously. Now that he has been able to show his ability to coach up guys like Mathias, Vince, and PJT, the higher ceiling guys who are athletic but also skilled have opened up for CMP. The key will be to identify more players like this incoming class to continue the trend and the first key to that is Phinisee.

Photo Phinisee and E. Hunter would be very nice at the guard position. Purdue is also targeting Carmody, who is another very good guard. If Painter banks the scholly freed up by Biggie or lands a grad transfer, I would like to see atleast two of three players I just mentioned. Then Painter could go after a bigger athletic wing and finish the class with a rim protector if one is available. That is wishful think of course. I would like to see 2-3 scholarships available in 2019, which should happen with Ewing, Taylor, and Cline gone.

2019 has some very good players we have been targeting for a while. Thompson, Moreno, Brooks, Francis, Campbell, and Barnes. Painter is targeting a lot more athletic type players. How Purdue's young athletes do over the next few years could change the program for the better going forward. Keep challenging for the Big Ten title every year and pushing to atleast a sweet 16, and eventually Lurdue will break through.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Pace yourself. Gonna be a loooong off season.

I can't wait for the first meltdown about recruiting when McCoy goes to UCLA or whatever. He mentioned us once four weeks ago or so but someone will say we missed our primary target. It is now officially the silly season.

 

[z_one]

There are a lot of good choices for Painter to consult with: Boeheim for the 2-3, Dana Altman knows how to implement an effective match-up zone, Huggins knows how to teach a halfcourt and full-court trapping press defense and John Beilein knows how to implement an effective 1-3-1. They're all good choices for him to have in his coaching arsenal.

The use of a zone could help protect Haas and keep him on the floor. The only way a zone gets destroyed is if it is not properly implemented. Man is fine when the match ups are there. When they are not, a zone can help counter superior athletes.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

I can't wait for the first meltdown about recruiting when McCoy goes to UCLA or whatever. He mentioned us once four weeks ago or so but someone will say we missed our primary target. It is now officially the silly season.

Well venture over to Twitter and search for Mitch Arbor. He makes a very compelling case to revoke Sasha's scholarship so we can officially offer McCoy and not worry what Biggie does.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Well venture over to Twitter and search for Mitch Arbor. He makes a very compelling case to revoke Sasha's scholarship so we can officially offer McCoy and not worry what Biggie does.

I was commenting on the lunacy of our little collective here, not the value of the recruit. I make no argument about how good he is.

 

[Dakota Girl]

The use of a zone could help protect Haas and keep him on the floor. The only way a zone gets destroyed is if it is not properly implemented. Man is fine when the match ups are there. When they are not, a zone can help counter superior athletes.

Zone,
Everything you say is true up until 4th grade travel ball. Then it falls apart like wet Kleenex. Zone is easy to beat if the zone lacks athletic players. There is a reason it is used by so few and when it is implemented it is for short periods in an attempt to confuse.

 

[BoiledSteel]

The only way a zone gets destroyed is if it is not properly implemented.

Not true at all. Zone is easily destroyed as Dakota Girl explained to you.

 

[z_one]

4th grade? Really? Seems I see a lot of versions of it, including in the tournament. Seems a little advanced for 4th grade. Lol
Believe what you want, coaches that win mix it up and you can deny it all you want. You KNOW it's true. Silly to even argue it.

 

[StickPurdue]

Well venture over to Twitter and search for Mitch Arbor. He makes a very compelling case to revoke Sasha's scholarship so we can officially offer McCoy and not worry what Biggie does.

I like Mith. I follow him. But to say he is intense is an understatement. He wants to cheat and pay players. He also thinks our roster should be filled with 5 star players, and anything less should result in Painter being fired. He was completely against Purdue signing Bane because of his rankings and offers. Now, he is the same way about Sasha. Mitch will definitely lose his mind if we don't land McCoy or Tilmon. Purdue could use an elite rim protector, but it isn't the end of the world either. Painter has a lot of weapons to play with next year, even if we do hit a setback with the loss of Biggie.

 

[SIBoiler2]

There is nothing in Purdue basketball for next year that would surprise me more than Purdue playing the zone word. I think the odds favor Biggie coming back much higher than Purdue playing the zone word. Sure, I could be wrong, but I really doubt it. I think the odds improve after next year, but how much?

You're as hard headed as our coach!!!

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

I like Mith. I follow him. But to say he is intense is an understatement. He wants to cheat and pay players. He also thinks our roster should be filled with 5 star players, and anything less should result in Painter being fired. He was completely against Purdue signing Bane because of his rankings and offers. Now, he is the same way about Sasha. Mitch will definitely lose his mind if we don't land McCoy or Tilmon. Purdue could use an elite rim protector, but it isn't the end of the world either. Painter has a lot of weapons to play with next year, even if we do hit a setback with the loss of Biggie.

i thought Bane would have been a good addition to team, seems like schools are afraid to offer players on 1A teams. He did ok for TCU this year.

 

[StickPurdue]

i thought Bane would have been a good addition to team, seems like schools are afraid to offer players on 1A teams. He did ok for TCU this year.

Won Freshman of the week in the Big 12 once and filled in nicely when Fisher went out. Lead the team to a win over Kansas and was a major contributor on a team that won the NIT. Considering where they were projected at the start of the season, that was a heck of an accomplishment. Pretty good numbers for a Power 5 freshman. I saw what he was doing at the Adidas uprising and new he was worthy of a P5 offer. That was a big miss by Painter. I would rather have Bane than Sasha and I really like Sasha as a player.

 

[TC4THREE]

Haha I laugh at the people who think seniors like Dakota and PJ are going to lose playing time next year.

 

[z_one]

Haha I laugh at the people who think seniors like Dakota and PJ are going to lose playing time next year.

I agree. Those two will lose 0 minutes and will be on the floor as long a time as they are able.

 

[Boiler Buck]

I agree. Those two will lose 0 minutes and will be on the floor as long a time as they are able.

Prior to 2016-17......in March/April of 2016 no one predicted any big time major minutes for Carsen Edwards. A lot of people hoped for it, but no one really predicted what a force he would be, and knew he would be one of the best frosh in the B1G. I look for the same thing here, if a guy proves himself in the pre-season worthy of floor time, he will get it.....but he will have to earn it like Carsen did.

But YES, as a general principle, when it comes to B1G season, Painter will count on his senior leaders.....Edwards, DM & PJT....even Haas. They win games. I just hope we get more consistency from the seniors......next year.