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What seed would Purdue get if the season ended today?

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Also, what seed do you think we ultimately end up with?

Based on ranking, we are in the 6 seed range. We have 1 very good home win vs. Wisky who is currently in the 3 seed range and should move to a 2 if they win the B1G. We have a solid neutral win vs. ND, although it is looking less impressive as they've lost 4 of their last 5. We have a few bad but not terrible losses with Iowa and Nebraska.

All things considered, I would say we are squarely on that 6 line today. We still have opportunity to improve or get worse with projected NCAA or borderline NCAA teams like MD, NW, IU (twice), MSU and Michigan coming up. Ceiling could still be in that 3 range if we go on a terrific run, or could be in the 10 range if things fall apart. I'm going to stick with my pre-season projection of 12-6 in league play for the 3rd straight year, losing a few tough games at NW, MD and a surprise somewhere else (we SHOULD beat a depleted IU team even in Gloomington).

I say we end up about where we are today, a 6 seed when all is said and done. Just curious where others see us now and where they see us finishing.
 
My bet would be 6 --- which might not be all that bad.

I've always thought that if you can't get a 1, 2, or 3 (and let's face it, Purdue would probably have to win out to be in the running for a 3) then a 6 gives you the next best chance to advance.

Of course, the specifics of brackets, match-ups, and location can have some impact as well -- but there's no way to know any of that now.
 
Good News.....I do not think there is a team in the country Purdue cannot beat when playing well.

Bad News....as the probable 5-8 seed....our D will likely get us a 50-50 chance to get knocked out before we can be the 5-8 seed upsetting someone.
 
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Good News.....I do not think there is a team in the country Purdue cannot beat when playing well.

Bad News....as the probable 5-8 seed....our D will likely get us a 50-50 chance to get knocked out before we can be the 5-8 seed upsetting someone.

Ya, Buck, I can't really argue with that. Who knows, anything can happen in March. The last time Purdue made the FF it was as a 6 seed. But there have been many, many March disappointments since then.
 
Regular season doesn't end for over another month. Doesn't matter what seed we'd get today.
 
I don't know, TC4THREE. The regular season is 2/3 over. Sure, we can't finalize the brackets for another 6 weeks, but the sample size is getting larger and larger.
 
Today we are a 6. My guess is we will end up a 5.

I've given these odds before, but we really want to be a #4 or higher. The drop off in 1st round victory is greatest between the #4 and the #5. Unfortunately I think we would have to have a very strong finish to make that happen. It's possible for us to get a 4 but not very likely.

Don't look at Lunardi's latest bracket. He has us as a #6 with the #3 being West Virginia!!
 
Also, what seed do you think we ultimately end up with?

Based on ranking, we are in the 6 seed range. We have 1 very good home win vs. Wisky who is currently in the 3 seed range and should move to a 2 if they win the B1G. We have a solid neutral win vs. ND, although it is looking less impressive as they've lost 4 of their last 5. We have a few bad but not terrible losses with Iowa and Nebraska.

All things considered, I would say we are squarely on that 6 line today. We still have opportunity to improve or get worse with projected NCAA or borderline NCAA teams like MD, NW, IU (twice), MSU and Michigan coming up. Ceiling could still be in that 3 range if we go on a terrific run, or could be in the 10 range if things fall apart. I'm going to stick with my pre-season projection of 12-6 in league play for the 3rd straight year, losing a few tough games at NW, MD and a surprise somewhere else (we SHOULD beat a depleted IU team even in Gloomington).

I say we end up about where we are today, a 6 seed when all is said and done. Just curious where others see us now and where they see us finishing.
Personally, I am fine with a 6 seed at this point, as I would just as well assume avoid a 1 as long as possible, which of course assumes that Purdue actually wins a game in the NCAA tournament for the first time since 2012 (well, for that to be relevant, it would actually have to win 2, a challenge for sure it would seem).

Purdue very easily could have been ranked in the top 10 at this point with a 2-seed in sight...but it has played itself down to where it is at, and it is likely that it will remain in that range...I could see them moving into the 4 range if they somehow put things together and had a huge run the rest of the way, but based on how things have played out thus far, hard to see that happening...and I really don't know that it makes a tremendous difference anyway...as I had said, best to be away from a 1 seed as long as possible provided it even became an issue.

Given the three losses already, 12-6 seems pretty realistic. And despite IU being "depleted", I still don't see how Purdue goes down there and comes out with a win...IU is a horrible matchup for Purdue personnel-wise anyway, and Purdue simply has not had a lot of historical success there (not that anyone else has for that matter)...even depleted, they have talent and still have depth (something that Purdue unfortunately does not). That said, MSU was seemingly a difficult matchup from a personnel standpoint, and Purdue managed to win there...and MSU is a lot like IU in that there is a lot of talent on hand, but the results have been subpar for sure. (On an unrelated matter...I was just talking yesterday about what the injuries to Blackmon and Anunoby, along with the struggles of Bryant, mean in terms of next year for IU...as I would guess that it means that all are more likely to return than not...and if that happens, they stand to be really good, but, it also presents a scholarship crunch issue I believe again for them as well.)

Purdue has basically traded good wins and bad losses for the first month of conference play...and in that the bad losses have all pretty much happened in the same fashion, it is hard to see that changing, as it is almost as much mental as it is physical at this point. They are going to be hard pressed to win on the road just about anywhere, and they have shown that...not that they are not capable of doing so, but, they have not been very successful thus far...and I just think they are going to have a really difficult time at IU and NW in particular, but they lost in AA a year ago to UM (who just showed last week against IU what they are capable of at home), they ALWAYS struggle in Happy Valley, and who knows which team will show up in College Park on Saturday (and if they win at home tomorrow night, odds are if true to form, then it won't be the same team on Saturday than the one tomorrow night). It is crazy to me that a case could be made that Purdue could (if not should) win just about every game left on the schedule, but, outside of Rutgers (and even they are improved and have played some solid games thus far), there is not a game left that I would say that I feel like Purdue is certainly going to win.

The inconsistency makes things interesting (and equally frustrating) at least I guess.
 
Today we are a 6. My guess is we will end up a 5.

I've given these odds before, but we really want to be a #4 or higher. The drop off in 1st round victory is greatest between the #4 and the #5. Unfortunately I think we would have to have a very strong finish to make that happen. It's possible for us to get a 4 but not very likely.

Don't look at Lunardi's latest bracket. He has us as a #6 with the #3 being West Virginia!!
I don't see any way that they get higher than a 4 from here, barring them running the table, and even then I don't know that they would be able to get higher than a 4. That said, 4 or 5 is virtually the same and they see each other provided they both win their first game anyway.

As I had said, if it is a 4, 5 or 6, I just as well assume be the 6...in theory, the highest 6 should see the weakest 3...I know it does not necessarily work out that way, but, if it were the case, I would rather have that than the 4 or 5 scenario with the prospect of seeing a 1 if they somehow did manage to get through that first weekend.

WVU could be the ultimate nightmare matchup for Purdue...that would not be someone that I would want to see as a potential matchup, especially an early one.
 
Ya, I agree that the window seems to be 5-8, unless something really crazy happens over the next six weeks --- like Purdue wins out or really tanks.

There just aren't a lot of high-end wins on the resume right now, and a couple of really questionable losses.

Nor are there really that many more opportunities to get high-end wins. A win @Maryland would be really help. Beyond that, sweeping Northwestern is probably the single biggest thing Purdue can do to improve its seed. (Imagine that!)

Neither the MSU nor Indiana games really look like resume-builders at this point. But, of course, all three of those could easily become losses.
 
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I don't see any way that they get higher than a 4 from here, barring them running the table, and even then I don't know that they would be able to get higher than a 4. That said, 4 or 5 is virtually the same and they see each other provided they both win their first game anyway.

As I had said, if it is a 4, 5 or 6, I just as well assume be the 6...in theory, the highest 6 should see the weakest 3...I know it does not necessarily work out that way, but, if it were the case, I would rather have that than the 4 or 5 scenario with the prospect of seeing a 1 if they somehow did manage to get through that first weekend.

WVU could be the ultimate nightmare matchup for Purdue...that would not be someone that I would want to see as a potential matchup, especially an early one.
There is a 15% difference in winning percentage in the 1st round for a #4 and #5. It is the biggest difference of any single seed line. It isn't a myth that many #12's knock off #5's. We would much rather be a #4 than a #5. I just think it is unlikely for us to get there.
 
Also, what seed do you think we ultimately end up with?

Based on ranking, we are in the 6 seed range. We have 1 very good home win vs. Wisky who is currently in the 3 seed range and should move to a 2 if they win the B1G. We have a solid neutral win vs. ND, although it is looking less impressive as they've lost 4 of their last 5. We have a few bad but not terrible losses with Iowa and Nebraska.

All things considered, I would say we are squarely on that 6 line today. We still have opportunity to improve or get worse with projected NCAA or borderline NCAA teams like MD, NW, IU (twice), MSU and Michigan coming up. Ceiling could still be in that 3 range if we go on a terrific run, or could be in the 10 range if things fall apart. I'm going to stick with my pre-season projection of 12-6 in league play for the 3rd straight year, losing a few tough games at NW, MD and a surprise somewhere else (we SHOULD beat a depleted IU team even in Gloomington).

I say we end up about where we are today, a 6 seed when all is said and done. Just curious where others see us now and where they see us finishing.
We're Purdue so we'll be a 5-seed in a game against a school that matches up extraordinarily well against us and is located less than 50 miles from the arena.
 
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There is a 15% difference in winning percentage in the 1st round for a #4 and #5. It is the biggest difference of any single seed line. It isn't a myth that many #12's knock off #5's. We would much rather be a #4 than a #5. I just think it is unlikely for us to get there.
Without doing the necessary research...I wonder how much of that has to do with a 12-seed being one of the lowest (if not the lowest) at-large bid seeds, at least in recent years...whereas 13 is more often than not a lower level conference tournament winner?

Either way, there just are not a lot of easy games any longer regardless of seed...a 16 has still never beat a 1 (although, go figure, the closest it ever was to happening involved our beloved Boilers!), and it is still a stretch for them to do so, but outside of that matchup in the first round, it seems like every other one has the potential for the lower seed to win.

Logically (and, as you have pointed out, statistically even), it makes sense to want to be as high a seed as possible and a 4 therefore, and if it was to be a 4 or a 5, I would prefer the 4 rather than 5, but, again, if they each win, they are playing one another in the second game anyway. As I had said though, in this case, I would rather Purdue just be a 6 than either a 4 or 5 in the event that they somehow did manage to win their first two games.

All of that said, and regardless of the seed, here is hoping that Purdue is able to rid the inconsistency that is plaguing it, and that it gets to a point where it is playing its best basketball in March...and that it does so then in the tournament...as that will have far more to do with what happens than the ultimate actual number next to their name does.
 
#16 Murray State took #1 MSU to overtime in 1990. You could argue that was closer than Green Bay v. Purdue in '96.

A handful of other 16s have pushed 1s in the first round, but I likewise haven't done the necessary research to name 'em all.
 
The 5 vs 6 argument doesn't really play out via the numbers until you get to the Sweet Sixteen.

Historically:

5's beat 12's 66.9% of the time
6's beat 11's 64.9% of the time

5's beat 4/13 winner 50.0% of the time
6's beat 3/14 winner 52.0% of the time

It's pretty much a wash for 5's and 6's to reach the Sweet Sixteen.

As far as reaching the Elite Eight:

5's beat 1/8/9/16 winner 17.5% of the time
6's beat 2/7/10/15 winner 33.3% of the time

6's are twice almost twice as likely as 5's to reach the Elite Eight if they reach the Sweet Sixteen.
 
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Also, what seed do you think we ultimately end up with?

Based on ranking, we are in the 6 seed range. We have 1 very good home win vs. Wisky who is currently in the 3 seed range and should move to a 2 if they win the B1G. We have a solid neutral win vs. ND, although it is looking less impressive as they've lost 4 of their last 5. We have a few bad but not terrible losses with Iowa and Nebraska.

All things considered, I would say we are squarely on that 6 line today. We still have opportunity to improve or get worse with projected NCAA or borderline NCAA teams like MD, NW, IU (twice), MSU and Michigan coming up. Ceiling could still be in that 3 range if we go on a terrific run, or could be in the 10 range if things fall apart. I'm going to stick with my pre-season projection of 12-6 in league play for the 3rd straight year, losing a few tough games at NW, MD and a surprise somewhere else (we SHOULD beat a depleted IU team even in Gloomington).

I say we end up about where we are today, a 6 seed when all is said and done. Just curious where others see us now and where they see us finishing.

Unless Purdue runs the table the rest of the conference season and wins the BTT, the cap is probably a 4 seed. If Purdue runs the table and wins the BTT (which arguably it could given the ceiling the team has when playing up to potential), they could probably cap at a 2 seed. If Purdue were to run the table, it would end up at 29-5 (if they got a first day bye in the BTT). Not sure you could give a Big Ten team with that record, that type of run, and the BTT champs anything less than a 2...like MSU last season.

My actual prediction: Purdue ends up the conference being 13-5 and an overall record of 26 - 8 (including BTT) and runner up in the BTT to Whisky. That, coupled with Purdue's losses to Iowa, Minny, and Nebraska (two of which aren't even close to being NCAAT teams), Purdue is probably the highest ranked 5 seed.
 
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#16 Murray State took #1 MSU to overtime in 1990. You could argue that was closer than Green Bay v. Purdue in '96.

A handful of other 16s have pushed 1s in the first round, but I likewise haven't done the necessary research to name 'em all.

Purdue defeated Western Carolina in '96.

Other "really close calls":

1989 - Georgetown beats Princeton, 50-49 (East); Oklahoma beats East Tennessee State , 72-71 (Southeast).

As to Purdue (2017).....right now I would guess #6, and I think they could play up to the #4-line or down to the #7 or #8 line. I'd rather just see them play well, limit the turnovers and not beat themselves......then let the chips fall where they may.
 
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Good call, Tex! wasn't there a close call against Green Bay somewhere in Purdue's mid-90s run?
 
Good call, Tex! wasn't there a close call against Green Bay somewhere in Purdue's mid-90s run?

Rgarlitz,

Yes....a year earlier in the Midwest Bracket in '95 opening rounds, which I attended in the Irwin Center in Austin Texas (as part of my encore Purdue Schleprock NCAA-tournament tour, as if 1988 and 1990 weren't popular enough). I digress.....Purdue survived 49-48 against Green Bay....that was the game before the infamous Roy Hairston "shirts and skins" game against Memphis, which Purdue lost at the buzzer.

That was a crazy sub-regional (before the pod days).....defending champion Arkansas was the #2 seed and almost lost the opening game to UT-Arlington (behind most of the game), then survived Syracuse in OT mainly due to Syracuse getting a technical foul for calling an excessive time-out (almost simultaneously with a held ball). Arkansas ended up getting out of that Regional, eventually losing to UCLA in the Championship game.
 
'95 was the same year that Purdue dropped a close Second Round game to Memphis --- had a controversial ending, if I recall. I think somebody grabbed Roy Hairston's jersey to deny him a pivotal rebound in the closing seconds. No call, of course.
 
'95 was the same year that Purdue dropped a close Second Round game to Memphis --- had a controversial ending, if I recall. I think somebody grabbed Roy Hairston's jersey to deny him a pivotal rebound in the closing seconds. No call, of course.

At approximately 2:20......

 
Yep, that was it. Quite a bit more blatant than what I remembered --- nearly pulled his jersey off!
 
The 5 vs 6 argument doesn't really play out via the numbers until you get to the Sweet Sixteen.

Historically:

5's beat 12's 66.9% of the time
6's beat 11's 64.9% of the time

5's beat 4/13 winner 50.0% of the time
6's beat 3/14 winner 52.0% of the time

It's pretty much a wash for 5's and 6's to reach the Sweet Sixteen.

As far as reaching the Elite Eight:

5's beat 1/8/9/16 winner 17.5% of the time
6's beat 2/7/10/15 winner 33.3% of the time

6's are twice almost twice as likely as 5's to reach the Elite Eight if they reach the Sweet Sixteen.
I'm not normally a numbers geek, but for some reason the tournament numbers intrigue me. Here is a link to some more numbers for all seeds.

http://bracketodds.cs.illinois.edu/seedadv.html

Would love to see us get to a #4 just for that 1st round advantage! We have a lot of work to do to get there.
 
Today I agree with 6. For the season...

I think we go 12-6 in conference and only get to the semis in the BIG tourney and end up a 6 or 7 seed. I just don't see much love for the BIG and we have some losses to teams we should have beat. I think the top team(s) in the BIG are 3 seed(s). I think Wisky or MD is 3, whichever has the better finish, the other one is a 4 or 5, NW a 5 or 6, and Purdue a 6 or 7.
 
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I'm not normally a numbers geek, but for some reason the tournament numbers intrigue me. Here is a link to some more numbers for all seeds.

http://bracketodds.cs.illinois.edu/seedadv.html

Would love to see us get to a #4 just for that 1st round advantage! We have a lot of work to do to get there.

the 4-seed in Gonzaga's bracket, assuming they are the top-seed in the West wouldn't appear to be a bad draw. Even a 6 in any bracket is not the end of the world. Look at Syracuse last year....you just never know when/if that surprise will occur......sometimes, chalk prevails, but often, not.

In the end, you can analyze the draw and the seeds and who got jobbed, etc., etc. all you want.....the teams just have to get on the floor and play who's in front of them. After the last two years, I would think DM, VE, PJT, and IH can't wait to get another shot.....then with CS and CE, they should have enough motivation....the opportunity is there.....just play like they know how to play......unafraid....make the plays you're capable of making.....play til the whistle.....go for every loose ball.....no regrets.....can CMP get them properly focused and in the right mindset to be aggressive but still play smart? we'll see......I think he can, but will it happen is the unknown.

Longggggg way to go, though.....lot of assumptions here as well.

Do I have room for any more cliches or off-the-cuff rambling?
 
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we are easily a 6 right now.. if we don't win both games this week, we probably fall to a 7... best we can probably hope for at this point is a 3 if we win the remainder of our games and BTT, which is very unlikely. I see us staying a 5 or 6 sadly
 
Rgarlitz,

Yes....a year earlier in the Midwest Bracket in '95 opening rounds, which I attended in the Irwin Center in Austin Texas (as part of my encore Purdue Schleprock NCAA-tournament tour, as if 1988 and 1990 weren't popular enough). I digress.....Purdue survived 49-48 against Green Bay....that was the game before the infamous Roy Hairston "shirts and skins" game against Memphis, which Purdue lost at the buzzer.

That was a crazy sub-regional (before the pod days).....defending champion Arkansas was the #2 seed and almost lost the opening game to UT-Arlington (behind most of the game), then survived Syracuse in OT mainly due to Syracuse getting a technical foul for calling an excessive time-out (almost simultaneously with a held ball). Arkansas ended up getting out of that Regional, eventually losing to UCLA in the Championship game.

That was funny!
 
I think Seeding in the NCAA is way over-hyped. If a team is playing well they will move on. If a team is struggling it will become very clear in the first weekend and they will be exposed (with a loss).

Purdue will be somewhere between a 5-10 seed depending on how we finish.

On the higher end if we start to play well and have a decent run in BIG tournament (which I'm not even convinced is a positive anymore as the team can be completely worn out, especially if they play late on Sunday and the get an early Thursday game).

We will trend towards an 8-10 seed with a couple of more losses and early exit from BIG tournament. We are ranked about 25 today, which is roughly a 6-7 seed. A couple of more losses and we are probably mid 30 ranking trending towards and 8-10 seed.

As well the committee has been getting cute with some of the matchups and also elevating mid tier schools which has been pushing big 10 schools lower in seeding.
 
I think Seeding in the NCAA is way over-hyped. If a team is playing well they will move on. If a team is struggling it will become very clear in the first weekend and they will be exposed (with a loss).

Purdue will be somewhere between a 5-10 seed depending on how we finish.

On the higher end if we start to play well and have a decent run in BIG tournament (which I'm not even convinced is a positive anymore as the team can be completely worn out, especially if they play late on Sunday and the get an early Thursday game).

We will trend towards an 8-10 seed with a couple of more losses and early exit from BIG tournament. We are ranked about 25 today, which is roughly a 6-7 seed. A couple of more losses and we are probably mid 30 ranking trending towards and 8-10 seed.

As well the committee has been getting cute with some of the matchups and also elevating mid tier schools which has been pushing big 10 schools lower in seeding.

I think seeding can matter quite a bit. That 5/12 line is rough for whatever reason. We were playing pretty well late last year, ranked 13th, having won 5 in a row, including over #10 Maryland (at the time) before we lost to #2 MSU in the B1G championship game. Granted MSU flamed out in the 1st round too, but I don't have to tell you what we went on to do. It's not always hot at the right time, although that's important. Schedule also is a big deal, and seeding largely determines that.
 
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