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What is the (minimum) # of games Boilers must win in '16?

I would have loved the Leach hire. No way morg would have gone there after the James thing.
 
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Or you could easily point to Mike Leach at Wazzou. He said he wanted to go to a program with a passing history and that needed to be rebuilt, as he did at Texas Tech. Definition of a home run hire would have been Mike Leach at Purdue

I know some here were concerned about the ESPN-made controversy about him "locking" some kid in a shed or whatever. My take on the situation was that the kid wasn't that good and he wanted to make some noise on the way out the door and his dad had the platform for that to happen. It wouldn't have bothered me in the least but I know some looked at that and backed away.
 
I know some here were concerned about the ESPN-made controversy about him "locking" some kid in a shed or whatever. My take on the situation was that the kid wasn't that good and he wanted to make some noise on the way out the door and his dad had the platform for that to happen. It wouldn't have bothered me in the least but I know some looked at that and backed away.
Very true but I thought that some of that was downplayed by other players who said James was a whiner and a cry baby about his playing time.
 
Obviously the bar has been lowered since the Tiller and even the Hope days. I
I don't think it is a lowering of the bar....rather an understanding that the oldest players recruited by Hazell (excluding jucos) were true juniors. His first full recruiting class were true sophomores.

Then for example if you looked at last year's offense. How many seniors that were recruited by Hope.....were contributors? Was it just the injured Danny Anthrop....and Kugler? How does that senior class on offense compare to rest of big ten?

I think the Purdue admin recognized year 3 was a failure....but wanted another year of data based on the circumstances.
 
I don't think it is a lowering of the bar....rather an understanding that the oldest players recruited by Hazell (excluding jucos) were true juniors. His first full recruiting class were true sophomores.

Then for example if you looked at last year's offense. How many seniors that were recruited by Hope.....were contributors? Was it just the injured Danny Anthrop....and Kugler? How does that senior class on offense compare to rest of big ten?

I think the Purdue admin recognized year 3 was a failure....but wanted another year of data based on the circumstances.

I think Burke's status had more to do with it than anything you listed.
 
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I don't think it is a lowering of the bar....rather an understanding that the oldest players recruited by Hazell (excluding jucos) were true juniors. His first full recruiting class were true sophomores.

Then for example if you looked at last year's offense. How many seniors that were recruited by Hope.....were contributors? Was it just the injured Danny Anthrop....and Kugler? How does that senior class on offense compare to rest of big ten?

I think the Purdue admin recognized year 3 was a failure....but wanted another year of data based on the circumstances.
The "wait until he gets his recruits up and running" argument is pretty hollow when his recruiting classes are dead last in the conference. Even more hollow when trying to run a power offense and you sign exactly one OL (2 star) in your first class.
 
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The "wait until he gets his recruits up and running" argument is pretty hollow when his recruiting classes are dead last in the conference. Even more hollow when trying to run a power offense and you sign exactly one OL (2 star) in your first class.

Even more hollow when you change your offense 3 times and your defense twice.
 
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Even more hollow when you change your offense 3 times and your defense twice.
Yes! Even Hazell gave up on his own plan.

Look, I'm glad some people can muster optimism for the upcoming season. And I think simply not having Shoop is probably worth +1 win.

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter now and this whole question of how many wins in year 4 would be enough for Burke will not be put to the test. But to believe that a long-time D1 AD could really think this whole thing was suddenly going to blossom in year 4... He was either lying through his teeth or just willfully ignorant.
 
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Yes! Even Hazell gave up on his own plan.

Look, I'm glad some people can muster optimism for the upcoming season. And I think simply not having Shoop is probably worth +1 win.

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter now and this whole question of how many wins in year 4 would be enough for Burke will not be put to the test. But to believe that a long-time D1 AD could really think this whole thing was suddenly going to blossom in year 4... He was either lying through his teeth or just willfully ignorant.

Something I have noticed very different this off season from past ones under Hazell is that the GBI staff isn't doing the whole 'rah rah improvement' dance we have read about. That either bodes well as they are seeing some improvement that won't need the rah rah speeches to keep us engaged as readers and fans OR they are simply tired of the same stories every year and have given up trying to give us content that can invoke some optimism.
 
Something I have noticed very different this off season from past ones under Hazell is that the GBI staff isn't doing the whole 'rah rah improvement' dance we have read about. That either bodes well as they are seeing some improvement that won't need the rah rah speeches to keep us engaged as readers and fans OR they are simply tired of the same stories every year and have given up trying to give us content that can invoke some optimism.

Fourth time is a charm!
 
Something I have noticed very different this off season from past ones under Hazell is that the GBI staff isn't doing the whole 'rah rah improvement' dance we have read about. That either bodes well as they are seeing some improvement that won't need the rah rah speeches to keep us engaged as readers and fans OR they are simply tired of the same stories every year and have given up trying to give us content that can invoke some optimism.
I noticed this as last season worn on, too. Those covering Purdue football started getting a bit more salty (which did not go over well I am sure). I would start to worry about my image as a sports writer if all the positive things I wrote about a team prior to the season were being consistently blown apart once the games began, wouldn't you? Can't remember how many times I read about the great offensive line we were going to have last year. Much of it was simply repeating what the coach was telling them, but at the end of the day it is their name on the story.
 
I noticed this as last season worn on, too. Those covering Purdue football started getting a bit more salty (which did not go over well I am sure). I would start to worry about my image as a sports writer if all the positive things I wrote about a team prior to the season were being consistently blown apart once the games began, wouldn't you? Can't remember how many times I read about the great offensive line we were going to have last year. Much of it was simply repeating what the coach was telling them, but at the end of the day it is their name on the story.

My favorite was the endorsement of Etling as the starting QB while admitting that Appleby outplayed him in camp. The football coverage has been very.....uh.....bizarre....these past few years.
 
My favorite was the endorsement of Etling as the starting QB while admitting that Appleby outplayed him in camp. The football coverage has been very.....uh.....bizarre....these past few years.

In the past, we know Brian and his staff have given us great content and writing but at some point you can only write about what you are given and you also don't want to step on toes and cause issues between the program and your want to have access. If access goes away...so does your livelihood.
 
I think Burke's status had more to do with it than anything you listed.

Mitch doesn't have a history managing college athletics....so don't know he handles these situations.

I think Burke would've recommended retaining Hazell for year 4.....whether it was the first or last year of his AD tenure.
 
Or you could easily point to Mike Leach at Wazzou. He said he wanted to go to a program with a passing history and that needed to be rebuilt, as he did at Texas Tech. Definition of a home run hire would have been Mike Leach at Purdue
I would have taken him in a heartbeat!!! "THIN SKINNED" athletes and lib media ran him out of TT!
 
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In the past, we know Brian and his staff have given us great content and writing but at some point you can only write about what you are given and you also don't want to step on toes and cause issues between the program and your want to have access. If access goes away...so does your livelihood.

Brian does a great job. He seems to focus more on basketball though.
 
I would have taken him in a heartbeat!!! "THIN SKINNED" athletes and lib media ran him out of TT!
I've said it before: Leach was my number one when they hired Hazell. He woulda been great to watch at Purdue
 
I've said it before: Leach was my number one when they hired Hazell. He woulda been great to watch at Purdue
I wonder :rolleyes: if his ego was too much for MB. The new AD has to be willing and able to accommodate big egos if we are going to hire - and hold onto - true difference makers.
 
While I am certainly not a fan of putting benchmarks out there on things that are not controlled - for example, we have no idea how difficult/easy the schedule will turn out to be (everyone going into the season last year thought our schedule would be one of the hardest in the country...SOS ended up being 40)....

I do have to say - 4 wins retains him? That seems absurd.....

And while I just mentioned how the schedule strength can certainly change, we will play at least 4 below average/average teams this year - not sure that shows any sign of progress...

What major conference team has 4 straight losing seasons and retains a head coach?

It's just not losing seasons. We saw plenty of 3-8, 4-7 seasons with Burtnett, Colletto, and Akers. This is worse. 3-9 in 2014 someone is the peak of what we've done with our current predicament.
 
I hadn't. He made a big deal about the Cradle of Quarterbacks and it being our identity to throw the ball around and having a high-powered offense. Then we go out and hire a coach with a Jim Tressel background. Well........you've seen the last three years. Meanwhile, a coach that was known for having a dynamic passing attack just like the one that Burke talked about ended up at California and his three years were 1-11, 5-7, 8-5 and had a great offense that produced a quarterback that will go #1 or #2 in the NFL draft this year.

I don't know if we could've convinced Dykes to come to Purdue over Cal but he would've been a candidate much closer to the fit that Burke claimed he wanted and I have to believe we would put some points on the board and won more games than we have seen the last three years. Obviously he didn't start with much at Cal either but they got better in a hurry.

I've always told my friends "We are who and what we are. Throw the ball." I have been associated with Purdue since 1978. We have NEVER won without the ball in the air. Herrmann. Everett. Dicken. Brees. Orton. Painter. We don't win when we don't throw. We're like Brigham Young in that respect. It is what it is.
 
It's just not losing seasons. We saw plenty of 3-8, 4-7 seasons with Burtnett, Colletto, and Akers. This is worse. 3-9 in 2014 someone is the peak of what we've done with our current predicament.
I'm afraid way too many on here have no understanding of what Purdue FB really has been historically. We think we had a good program and it was relative to IU but in the period from 1965-2015 we have had 21 winning seasons. Mollenkopf and Tiller were present 17 of those seasons and accounted for 14 of the winning seasons. So if you remove them from the mix Purdue had 7 winning seasons out of the remaining 33 years. Not a lot to hang your expectations hat on. I've been around for longer than that and have very limited expectations that we can catch lightning again but the most recent regime has completely sapped any interest I have in what might be since the administration from MB on up totally denies what a mess they preside over.
 
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I'm afraid way too many on here have no understanding of what Purdue FB really has been historically. We think we had a good program and it was relative to IU but in the period from 1965-2015 we have had 21 winning seasons. Mollenkopf and Tiller were present 17 of those seasons and accounted for 14 of the winning seasons. So if you remove them from the mix Purdue had 7 winning seasons out of the remaining 33 years. Not a lot to hang your expectations hat on. I've been around for longer than that and have very limited expectations that we can catch lightning again but the most recent regime has completely sapped any interest I have in what might be since the administration from MB on up totally denies what a mess they preside over.
My Purdue experience began in 1978. That's enough of a database for measurement to draw any contemporary judgments or analyses. The world of college football is changing so much that it's not pertinent to talk about what any program was in the 60's.
 
My Purdue experience began in 1978. That's enough of a database for measurement to draw any contemporary judgments or analyses. The world of college football is changing so much that it's not pertinent to talk about what any program was in the 60's.
OK so let's talk about where we are now if you're brave enough to admit what an absolute septic sucking bottom dwelling program we now are.
 
If Purdue doesn't win more games and go to a better bowl game than Danny Hope's last team, and the school still retains Hazell, then it will be obvious the bar has lowered. That's been the case so far, but I still say if you raise the bar and get rid of one coach, the new hire needs to exceed it or else be deemed a failure. So far, both the pushing out of Tiller and firing of Hope both look like huge mistakes.

You can thank Morg for rocketing us to the cellar. Thankfully, he is around for another year with "ZERO" chance of watching this napalm fire go out
 
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