What is the (minimum) # of games Boilers must win in '16?
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Minimum number in what context?
-Literally? (0)
-Retain head coach? (4)
-Retain AD? (0)
-Show signs of progress? (4)
-Improve attendance? (5)
-Go to a bowl game? (6)
-Improve recruiting? (6)
-Meet national media expectations? (3)
-Meet my personal expectations? (6)
Need to frame your question better.
-Literally? (0)
-Retain head coach? (4)
-Retain AD? (0)
-Show signs of progress? (4)
-Improve attendance? (5)
-Go to a bowl game? (6)
-Improve recruiting? (6)
-Meet national media expectations? (3)
-Meet my personal expectations? (6)
Need to frame your question better.
I agree with all you said, but want to add not getting blown out on games they lose and chance to win a few more games.
.............have to win 5 games and be competitive in the loses!!! PERIOD!!! 2-10...3-9...... and 25K-30K fannies in the stands, the most brain dead ATH DIR would have no choice but to fire him!
Bowl or he gone. They didn't accelerate the ad hiring to continue on with this coaching regime
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Just keep hazell til no buyout, bank the ridiculous last years of btn cable dollars.
I'd say dws, but it's likely an actual option on the table
Just keep hazell til no buyout, bank the ridiculous last years of btn cable dollars.
I'd say dws, but it's likely an actual option on the table
If Purdue doesn't win more games and go to a better bowl game than Danny Hope's last team, and the school still retains Hazell, then it will be obvious the bar has lowered. That's been the case so far, but I still say if you raise the bar and get rid of one coach, the new hire needs to exceed it or else be deemed a failure. So far, both the pushing out of Tiller and firing of Hope both look like huge mistakes.
I sort of agree with this, but on the other hand, we may have needed the bottoming out, in order to repudiate Morgue's idiotic "Moneyball" strategy.
In other words, if Danny was still going 6-6, are we spending $70 mil on a football facility?
I don't know, maybe. Danny's ceiling seemed to be 6-6 and the pizza bowl, and I think we can do better.
It was his ceiling, maybe 7. I do think he would have outperformed the current empty suit during the last 3 years. Certainly would have outreceuited
In actuality, that may not be a terrible idea. You could re-work Hazel's contract and explain to him that he will be let go at the end of his current contract but an extension is going to be given to continue recruiting. You can then bank the money it would have cost to fire him and use that as part of the 'war chest' to find a high quality coach.
I know we all have our preferences but is there any off the wall hires (like Tubby Smith at Illinois) you could see actually panning out?
There is a guy in Indy who coaches high school ball whose name has been floated around. That would be off the wall and wouldn't strike me as surprising (at this point in time). Maybe a former NFL OC or DC looking to get back in to coaching? Maybe a guy like Kevin Wilson who is an OC at a major program right now?
I think it would be monumentally better. At worse, what the AD could have said was Hope simply reached his plateau and would have had a solid base to build around for a future coach. What Burke left himself was a complete assinine situation where he fired a better coach for less than what the current coach is doing ten fold.
Six to retain Hazell as coach. No extensions until he does it two years in a row. No worry...he'll never do it and help is somewhere on the way.
A guy like Kevin Wilson???? No way would I want a guy like Wilson with all his "alleged" issues.
Are you really not able to read it as a coach in a situation like Wilson as an OC or DC at a major program...not the man.
They can't do that. They will either have to fire or extend him after next season for recruiting purposes
While I am certainly not a fan of putting benchmarks out there on things that are not controlled - for example, we have no idea how difficult/easy the schedule will turn out to be (everyone going into the season last year thought our schedule would be one of the hardest in the country...SOS ended up being 40)....
I do have to say - 4 wins retains him? That seems absurd.....
And while I just mentioned how the schedule strength can certainly change, we will play at least 4 below average/average teams this year - not sure that shows any sign of progress...
What major conference team has 4 straight losing seasons and retains a head coach?
Can't disagree with anything you said. The current AD would attempt to sell 4 wins with competitive losses as progress. I'm taking a wait and see approach with the new AD until he or she proves otherwise. Again, more problems with the original question.
Tasked with this AS Morgan parades him around as his successor and the AD in WAITING and "helps him acclimate" to the job in some Jeff Dunham type puppet regime shaking hands with the die hard supporters and donors who are literally "die hard" as they enter their 90s. It will be cute, Morgan can give him a cheat sheet for what keys open what door, where to go for the best lunch, what computers or phones to not to use social media on, give him a stack of note cards with buzz words like "competitive balance," "arms race," "I am not in the business of firing coaches," and "change = bad." Maybe a late afternoon treat grab an ice cream cone and ask "why don't people come out to our games?" and other deep questions about how the universe was formed. Then check the pH levels in the pool, shine up the golf national championship plaque, and call it a day.
Here's my opinion on Hazell. We keep him until we find a home run hire to replace him and we know that we can land that coach. If that happens next offseason, so be it. If we can't find that coach, I keep Hazell until his contract is up. If Hazell somehow proves the skeptics wrong while we're waiting for that next guy then the problem is solved.
I'm not a fan of the school of thought that you have to get rid of a certain coach as soon as you decide they aren't the future of the program. All that does is make you commit 5 years to another coach that you may or may not be sold on as an improvement. I'd rather take Hazell for two more seasons, in spite of what happens next year, than sign up for another 5 years of another Hazell after the end of this upcoming season.
I'm not a fan of the school of thought that you have to get rid of a certain coach as soon as you decide they aren't the future of the program. All that does is make you commit 5 years to another coach that you may or may not be sold on as an improvement. I'd rather take Hazell for two more seasons, in spite of what happens next year, than sign up for another 5 years of another Hazell after the end of this upcoming season.
What do you consider a "home run hire"?
I still vote you can his ass. His level of ineptitude is mind boggling.
I still vote you can his ass. His level of ineptitude is mind boggling.
Probably shouldn't have used the term "home run" hire. I mean, I'm not expecting national championships here. I'll take a basic level of competence that might allow for us to compete in the upper tier of our division most years. If we can get to the point where we can put a solid, organized, well-coached team on the field every year then we will have some good years where we can compete with the Northwestern's, Iowa's, Nebraska's, and Wisconsin's of the world like we were under Tiller. Right now I feel we pose absolutely no real threat to whoever is at the top of the division in a given year and our division isn't exactly the SEC West.
Agree with what you are looking for, for now.
we will always hire either up and comers with thin resumes or unproven coordinators.
I still can't believe Burke strayed so far from his hiring criteria with hazell. That must have been a hell of an interview
From the press conference after hope was fired.
- "We are an offensive-minded program. That's where we've made our mark over the years and I don't see us changing," he said. "We're certainly not going to move into a coach that has a dramatically different scheme. Because we built this team to play a certain kind of football, and we've seen other institutions who have made a coaching change and then they change their style of play and it took two or three years to adjust. We're not going to do that. We've got talent in this program."
While this is certainly counting chickens before they hatch, I think Purdue fans need to look at Maryland.
That is a program that has pitiful support, little tradition, etc. Yes, everyone points to UA, but from what I've read - other than Plank's personal donations, they aren't getting much out of that relationship much more so than connections (they pay for all of their extra uniforms/helmets I'm told).
Maryland fans had out of this world expectations when it came to hiring their next coach. They threw out names like Bill Cowher for heaven sakes. Many were bummed/let down when they hired their current coach - only to now be jumping on the bandwagon because of the positive progress he has made in many different facets of building a program.
We don't NEED a glitzy guy. We need someone who can get the job done. They don't need to be over the top, etc. Their coach is well respected in the industry and has fantastic connections. He's not going around posting SnapChats and such - he just knows how to get the job done.
Now, that being said, they STILL have to do it on the football field. And it certainly may not happen this year - but we need a "do-er" not a "talker"...
He must have been impressed when Hazell showed him the 5,000 page Player's Manual and told him it was just the first volume.
That is a 180 when Hazell came in to ground and pound. I had forgotten all of that.
I hadn't. He made a big deal about the Cradle of Quarterbacks and it being our identity to throw the ball around and having a high-powered offense. Then we go out and hire a coach with a Jim Tressel background. Well........you've seen the last three years. Meanwhile, a coach that was known for having a dynamic passing attack just like the one that Burke talked about ended up at California and his three years were 1-11, 5-7, 8-5 and had a great offense that produced a quarterback that will go #1 or #2 in the NFL draft this year.
I don't know if we could've convinced Dykes to come to Purdue over Cal but he would've been a candidate much closer to the fit that Burke claimed he wanted and I have to believe we would put some points on the board and won more games than we have seen the last three years. Obviously he didn't start with much at Cal either but they got better in a hurry.
Tiller was denied an extension after an 8 win season.
Hope was fired after a 7 wins in year 3....and 6 wins in year 4.
Really not a past history of trying to sell 4 wins as progress.
Years 3-5 are when you judge football coaching hires. Year 3 was a complete failure....if year 4 is the same Hazell will be gone. If he wins 6 or 7 games....then you get a token extension and see if the upward trend continues in year 5.
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Obviously the bar has been lowered since the Tiller and even the Hope days. MB was trying his hardest to sell LAST SEASON as progress. Do you remember the comments after the Nebraska game or the November vote of confidence? Nothing but I told you so to the doubters, insisting he sees progress where we "social media" idiots cannot. Fortunately this is all moot now because he won't be around to make the decision. The question is how much different will things be with the new AD.
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Or you could easily point to Mike Leach at Wazzou. He said he wanted to go to a program with a passing history and that needed to be rebuilt, as he did at Texas Tech. Definition of a home run hire would have been Mike Leach at Purdue
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