What happened to a small class?

[lbodel]

Throughout this recruiting year, we kept hearing (from the few people with hope for Hazell still) that this year's class was always going to be ranked low because it was going to be very small. Which is a somewhat valid point, a 10 person class is tough to be ranked over a 25 person class, for example.

However, we just signed 23 kids? That's not small - it's the 5th biggest class in the Big Ten. We honored 15 players at senior day - plus Austin Appleby - that's 16 gone.

I don't follow things as closely, but did we lose a bunch of players we weren't expected to? Or was the hype about a small class just not true?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Throughout this recruiting year, we kept hearing (from the few people with hope for Hazell still) that this year's class was always going to be ranked low because it was going to be very small. Which is a somewhat valid point, a 10 person class is tough to be ranked over a 25 person class, for example.

However, we just signed 23 kids? That's not small - it's the 5th biggest class in the Big Ten. We honored 15 players at senior day - plus Austin Appleby - that's 16 gone.

I don't follow things as closely, but did we lose a bunch of players we weren't expected to? Or was the hype about a small class just not true?

You forgot Morgue's "well our class won't be ranked high, because it has linemen" excuse.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Throughout this recruiting year, we kept hearing (from the few people with hope for Hazell still) that this year's class was always going to be ranked low because it was going to be very small. Which is a somewhat valid point, a 10 person class is tough to be ranked over a 25 person class, for example.

However, we just signed 23 kids? That's not small - it's the 5th biggest class in the Big Ten. We honored 15 players at senior day - plus Austin Appleby - that's 16 gone.

I don't follow things as closely, but did we lose a bunch of players we weren't expected to? Or was the hype about a small class just not true?

Honestly, this is a great question. I thought we only had 15-17 spots. I know the way they handle early admissions and 5th year guys can play into it. Obviously transfers do as well. But we still only have 85 schollies to give out.

 

[nat100]

There will be attrition

Appleby is gone. Prince can't play anymore due to injuries. There will be others

 

[Grover]

Copying the $EC's Creaning strategy of recruiting or we have a lot of guys leaving that haven't announced it yet. My guess is the latter as these new guys don't seem to be huge improvements over what we already have.

 

[nat100]

Copying the $EC's Creaning strategy of recruiting or we have a lot of guys leaving that haven't announced it yet. My guess is the latter as these new guys don't seem to be huge improvements over what we already have.

Big ten schools can only over sign by 3. The players have already left

 

[Statey]

Big ten schools can only over sign by 3. The players have already left

I'm not certain if the B1G oversign rules are the same in basketball as they are in football, but I would tend to think they're similar. Assuming they are... in basketball, you can actually oversign by how many ever you want as long as you (the coach) has a reasonable expectation/understanding of how you'll get down to the limit before the fall semester starts. So I'm not sure it's totally accurate to say that the players creating these empty spots have already left the program. Perhaps they've told DH they are leaving and he's simply planning accordingly, or perhaps he'll be the one doing the deciding, thus he'd know how many spots he'll have to work with.

 

[nat100]

I'm not certain if the B1G oversign rules are the same in basketball as they are in football, but I would tend to think they're similar. Assuming they are... in basketball, you can actually oversign by how many ever you want as long as you (the coach) has a reasonable expectation/understanding of how you'll get down to the limit before the fall semester starts. So I'm not sure it's totally accurate to say that the players creating these empty spots have already left the program. Perhaps they've told DH they are leaving and he's simply planning accordingly, or perhaps he'll be the one doing the deciding, thus he'd know how many spots he'll have to work with.

It is based on available scholarships and where the mid year enrollees count. But the limit is 3 over signs

 

[Statey]

It is based on available scholarships and where the mid year enrollees count. But the limit is 3 over signs

So the rules for hoops and football are different? Because if the hoops rules extended to football, the deal would be that you could oversign by 3 spots FOR WHICH you didn't currently have a reasonable plan/expectation for where those openings would come. Maybe the bball and fall rules are in fact different; I just assumed that the B1G would be consistent with oversign rules across its too major revenue sports.

 

[nat100]

So the rules for hoops and football are different? Because if the hoops rules extended to football, the deal would be that you could oversign by 3 spots FOR WHICH you didn't currently have a reasonable plan/expectation for where those openings would come. Maybe the bball and fall rules are in fact different; I just assumed that the B1G would be consistent with oversign rules across its too major revenue sports.

I believe the cap is football only. But I'm not positive.

For a long time, people thought it hamstrung the big ten in comparison to the sec. Sec just recently adopted over sign rules themselves (for football)

 

[Summy1]

I saw this. Thought it was interesting:

There weren't only departures among the coaching staff.
A handful of players have left the program as well, though Hazell wouldn't mention any names as "we're still trying to figure that all out."
Hazell estimated the number at "five to six."
Austin Appleby, for one, is definitely gone, having enrolled at Florida for his final season.

 

[Hawk Supreme]

The "soft" limit is 25, and you can go 3 over that, so 28 total.

 

[pboiler18]

The "soft" limit is 25, and you can go 3 over that, so 28 total.

And you can have mid year enrollees count against the last class if you were under 28