Whether it's IU or not, I hate when kids with gifts mess up their lives like this. Sad thing to see but choices were his own.
Crean had to do it. On one hand, it seems like the penalty exceeds the crime, but my understanding is that Glass and Crean made their expectations crystal clear to the players, so this is as much about disregarding their authority as it is about alcohol consumption.
Holt was a the driver of the car that injured a team mate. He only was given one more chance and he blew it. Crean had no choice.
I know it includes those involved more than once, but sill. Crean better get his stuff together or IU might hire a real coach and actually become a decent program again.
Snu will probably just spin this into an opportunity for Bryant to speed up his improvement by playing all 40 minutes. It will be nice to not have to waste minutes on guys like Perea and Holt.
in regards to Crean, man I remember how many guys on here wanted him as our HC.
I agree that Holt was only given one more chance and that Crean had no choice, but the reason that Crean had to get that tough is because of the repeated incidents within the program. I don't believe that Holt's violations were much different than Gelen Robinson's, albeit in opposite order, but I don't think that Hazell faced much, if any, pressure to dismiss Robinson, because he's generally had his program under control.
I believe you're giving the TanMan way too much credit. I don't believe the decision was his to make after he drug his feet for a few days. I think it came down from the IU Prez's office.
I do recall his name mentioned as a replacement for Keady. It was in a handful of names that were rolled around. In theory, his time at MSU and Izzo should have made him a good candidate. I imagine that Keady had his own opinion, and he was influential in the decision. Besides, Crean would interview poorly, I suspect. Burke would have seen the tissue thin sanity pretty quickly.
It did come down from above particularly after McRobbie found out there have been several incidents involving Holt (and others) that were swept under the rug. A fairly close student source said this was Holt's 5th incident but only two were made public because they couldn't be covered up.
I can believe that. CTC seems to be a win at all cost coach. If he could sweep it all under the rug he would have. Funny, he was in a hurry to dismiss half of Sampson's players when he got the job, but can't keep his players in line. Yes, after this many issues, it is the coach's fault...
Actually if you go back and check, and Dakich alludes to it often, it was Dakich who kicked them off, Crean wanted them reinstated. In the end, most of them had stopped going to class and weren't going to be eligible the following year anyway. But Crean only did what he did to save face, it was Dakich who initially lowered the boom before Crean was hired.
Of all the things to harp on here with Crean/IU, feet dragging on punishment timeline should probably be the least of it. It took Purdue 2 months to figure out that Robinson should be suspended for his DUI, and even then, with a relatively modest punishment for a 2nd-time offender, especially considering the severity increased with the later incident (but that's a separate discussion in itself; I bring it up only for the timing comparison).
Hmm, Run over buddy = woman involved. Cause she's my best friend's girl and she used to be mine.
11 in the past 1 1/2 years!
Clearly that's a rhetorical question, so I sure hope this isn't some strange attempt to suggest that being drunk and driving is somehow OK so long as nothing bad happens...
I can appreciate that this thread isn't about Robinson, so my apologies for inadvertently taking it that direction via the comparison I made. But I disagree with your position. Hazell waited like a month to talk about the DUI, then announced the suspension would be anywhere from 2 to 4 games pending this "behind the scenes" stuff, then finally after another month he confirmed it would be only 2 games. The point being, that's anything but a swift determination of punishment.
I don't think the spped of the decision has anything to do with our judgement on whether the punishment was appropriate. I don't get why it matters to be overly swift in swinging the axe? Why should we care if it is 2 weeks or 2 months? Heck, sometimes waiting on the decision is worse punisment than the actual punishment.
Hazell made the decision to punish Gelen as soon as it happened. The length and severity of that punishment wasn't revealed until recently. But Robinson has been doing Community Service since the incident which is what generally happens in a first time DUI in Indiana.
I believe there is some value in swift punishment, but that's fine if you view it differently. That wasn't really the point of my original post. Someone posted in this thread that IU was dragging its feet on punishing Holt because it took 6 or 7 or days to boot his dumbass. I merely pointed out that the timeframe for Purdue to settle on a penalty for Robinson's offense was 2 months, thus it seemed like point fingers at a 6-7 day turnaround was a little silly. Nothing more, nothing less. I think some are reading too much into what I wrote and misconstruing this as some form of support for Holt/IU/Crean/whatever.
Pretty sure you will find out that Glass and Crean did not want to boot Holt initially. There was even some talk of fighting the charges because the bottles weren't opened. This all came down from on high after McRobbie found out the two incidents weren't the only ones. Crean has been told to clean up his program with 11 incidents, one of which ended with a young player in a life threatening condition, within the last couple of years. I'm pretty sure that will be "cause" to fire him and not pay any penalty. I wouldn't want to be Crean right now.
They're not going to fire him for this. He may be on thin ice, but winning is still more important.
They are most assuredly going to fire him if this trend of drugs and alcohol doesn't subside. McRobbie will make Dean Wormer look like Ghandi.
